Jerry making mistake keeping Garrett

[Diehardblues]

But that’s why I am confused Greg. Earlier in the same thread you said it was easier for Jerry not to fire Garrett. You said this decision to play out the string with a lame duck coach is being made because it’s easier for Jerry

Correct

 

[CouchCoach]

Again you’re missing the point. Firing Garrett is easy.

My issue is it’s not what’s best for Cowboys Football to finish the season with a Lame Duck HC.

Why is that?

And in order for him to be lame duck, he must be leaving at the end of this season, regardless of record, and that has not been determined at this point. It's all conjecture and rumor at this point and the only thing Booger has said is that he is not firing Garrett in the season and since his contract expires with the season, Booger wouldn't fire him anyway.

I am going to take the unpopular view here. Garrett went into this season, his last contract, with an inexperienced OC and his best player on the O sitting in Mexico and his best D player holding off getting an operation because that was the only way to create urgency with the two fools running the team.

I am not a Garrett fan at all but I think he deserves the right to play this out, see this through to the end and I think Booger agrees with that, regardless of how pissed he might get at losses and there could be the 3rd in a row coming on Thursday.

One thing Booger is getting to see, if he's watching closely, is who wants to play. I'd be watching every player like a hawk and if I saw any coast in them, they'd be gone, that's who I'd get rid of because I am tired of all the blame falling on the coaches and these players sitting back all comfortable. Why in the hell does the last player to join the team seem to be the only one that can't stand losing? Where is the passion form the rest of them except at showing off on the field.

All off season long, I kept saying the same thing, before you jump coaches, particularly Moore, look at the execution. Hell, the plays worked in NO and Elliott and Witten fumbled, where is that in the play book? The QB doesn't protect the ball in NE and they get 10 of their 13 off those two gaffes. That's 8-4 and 2 wins against teams with winning records.

I am a Cowboys fan but not of this team. There's a lot of dog under the porch with these players and using coaching as a deflector of their lack of performance. "I can't tackle, it's all Rod's fault", "I missed some blocks, that damned Kellen".

 

[Diehardblues]

I completely see what you are saying. It's all about what you want. The team seeing success can't happen unless it's done your way. Sound about right?

It’s about what I see as the best environment to have success the rest of this season.

How else can I present it. My instincts and insights are spot on more often than not despite whether you approve of my arrogant presentation.

 

[JoeKing]

It’s about what I see as the best environment to have success the rest of this season.

How else can I present it. My instincts and insights are spot on more often than despite whether you approve of my arrogant presentation.

Yes, yes it's all about you. I nailed it so why are you arguing with me. Just agree and move on.

 

[Diehardblues]

Why is that?

And in order for him to be lame duck, he must be leaving at the end of this season, regardless of record, and that has not been determined at this point. It's all conjecture and rumor at this point and the only thing Booger has said is that he is not firing Garrett in the season and since his contract expires with the season, Booger wouldn't fire him anyway.

I am going to take the unpopular view here. Garrett went into this season, his last contract, with an inexperienced OC and his best player on the O sitting in Mexico and his best D player holding off getting an operation because that was the only way to create urgency with the two fools running the team.

I am not a Garrett fan at all but I think he deserves the right to play this out, see this through to the end and I think Booger agrees with that, regardless of how pissed he might get at losses and there could be the 3rd in a row coming on Thursday.

One thing Booger is getting to see, if he's watching closely, is who wants to play. I'd be watching every player like a hawk and if I saw any coast in them, they'd be gone, that's who I'd get rid of because I am tired of all the blame falling on the coaches and these players sitting back all comfortable. Why in the hell does the last player to join the team seem to be the only one that can't stand losing? Where is the passion form the rest of them except at showing off on the field.

All off season long, I kept saying the same thing, before you jump coaches, particularly Moore, look at the execution. Hell, the plays worked in NO and Elliott and Witten fumbled, where is that in the play book? The QB doesn't protect the ball in NE and they get 10 of their 13 off those two gaffes. That's 8-4 and 2 wins against teams with winning records.

I am a Cowboys fan but not of this team. There's a lot of dog under the porch with these players and using coaching as a deflector of their lack of performance. "I can't tackle, it's all Rod's fault", "I missed some blocks, that damned Kellen".

But Coach that’s the whole premise to my argument is I believe Garrett is gone.

 

[BoysForLife]

Correct

Ok.... And I promise I'm not trying to be difficult or play some game of semantics here.....

But why in one post do you say "Firing Garrett is an easy decision for Jerry" and then 3 posts later you say "Jerry is playing out the string with a lame duck coach because not firing him now is an easier decision for Jerry"

It has to be one or the other doesn't it?

Either it's easier for him to fire JG or it's easier to keep him around?

Not screwing with you. I'm genuinely trying to analyze your argument but it seems to be contradictory

 

[Diehardblues]

Yes, yes it's all about you. I nailed it so why are you arguing with me. Just agree and move on.

But I don’t agree with your response.

Everyone’s opinion is about what they believe. Not breaking news.

 

[JoeKing]

But I don’t agree with your response.

Everyone’s opinion is about what they believe. Not braking news.

So now you are arguing because I said it's all about what you think, about what you want? Isn't that a counter intuitive position?

 

[Diehardblues]

Ok.... And I promise I'm not trying to be difficult or play some game of semantics here.....

But why in one post do you say "Firing Garrett is an easy decision for Jerry" and then 3 posts later you say "Jerry is playing out the string with a lame duck coach because not firing him now is an easier decision for Jerry"

It has to be one or the other doesn't it?

Either it's easier for him to fire JG or it's easier to keep him around?

Not screwing with you. I'm genuinely trying to analyze your argument but it seems to be contradictory

No it doesn’t. Your reply was interpreted as though firing Garrett would be difficult using Landry and Jimmy examples. And there’s no comparisons.

It’s both . It will be easy to fire Garrett at end of season if we don’t meet expectations. And it’s easier to keep him on now still wanting him to succeed.

My argument is based on firing him or not resigning him is already a forgone conclusion. And this keeping him on to show it’s going nowhere will make is easier at end of season.

Instead of having some balls to fire him him now in an effort to spark the team down the stretch.

 

[Diehardblues]

So now you are arguing because I said it's all about what you think, about what you want? Isn't that a counter intuitive position?

And all you can do is take personal shots attempting to discredit the messenger with no argument on the subject. Stop wasting my time.

If you don’t like the message move on. Otherwise your response will help keep it on the front page. Thanks

 

[JoeKing]

And all you can do is take personal shots attempting to discredit the messenger with no argument on the subject. Stop wasting my time.

If you don’t like the message move on. Otherwise your response will help keep it on the front page. Thanks

Right, and isn't that what you want, which is all that matters in the first place?

 

[Diehardblues]

Right, and isn't that what you want, which is all that matters in the first place?

It’s what I believe is best for Cowboys Football success down the stretch. And that is all that matters to me.

 

[JoeKing]

Instead of having some balls to fire him him now in an effort to spark the team down the stretch.

The team is 6-6. Why in your mind does it take "balls" to fire the man? Shouldn't it be a far gone conclusion? Doesn't is take "balls" to knowingly do something that will be unpopular?

 

[JoeKing]

It’s what I believe is best for Cowboys Football success down the stretch. And that is all that matters to me.

That's what I just said. What you believe is all that matters.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's what I just said. What you believe is all that matters.

The team is 6-6. Why in your mind does it take "balls" to fire the man? Shouldn't it be a far gone conclusion? Doesn't is take "balls" to knowingly do something that will be unpopular?

My opinion is based on it's a forgone conclusion Garrett is gone at the end of the season. And why I’m labeling him a Lame Duck HC which I don’t see as a good environment for success down the stretch.

 

[JoeKing]

My opinion is based on it's a forgone conclusion Garrett is gone at the end of the season. And why I’m labeling him a Lame Duck HC which I don’t see as a good environment for success down the stretch.

Diehard, buddy, you getting what you want is all everyone else wants too. Why must you fight us on this?

 

[BoysForLife]

The team is 6-6. Why in your mind does it take "balls" to fire the man? Shouldn't it be a far gone conclusion? Doesn't is take "balls" to knowingly do something that will be unpopular?

That's kind of where I'm coming from. I absolutely buy the argument that firing Garrett is an easy decision for Jerry to make for a variety of reasons

I don't agree with the premise that keeping him around for the end of the season even if he is a goner for sure is easier. With the state of our fan base and the media right now, firing JG immediately could be one of the easiest and most popular decisions Jerry might ever make

That's why I brought up the examples of Landry and Jimmy. I know they are different examples and the circumstances are not the same but my point is if you can fire the only two guys in the history of the franchise that have won Super bowls as a coach, then what the hell is so tough about firing a guy that's won two playoff games in 10 years?

 

[Blackrain]

It’s about what I see as the best environment to have success the rest of this season.

How else can I present it. My instincts and insights are spot on more often than not despite whether you approve of my arrogant presentation.

I like your arrogant presentation but Im not sure your instincts are correct . I need to know what makes you positive that Garrett is a Lame Duck , remember this is Jerry making this decision not someone logical .

Second and most important here , ARE THE PLAYERS AGAINST GARRETT, DO THEY WANT HIM GONE ?? If so then yes anyone would be better

If not and they are behind him 100% then there is a very good chance they cash it in if he is fired at this point .

My instincts say they like him and are with him like last year when they went on a run . My instincts say these guys are loyal to him and we should take advantage of that and try to finish the season strong .
This cold weather game in Chicago will tell the tale . My instincts say this is a loss. Away in the cold, recipe for a loss if I ever did see one especially if they have given up on their coach .
If they win this Game they are behind Garrett all the way and we need to stay the course and follow it through. If they lose then I will be inclined to agree with you

 

[Diehardblues]

Diehard, buddy, you getting what you want is all everyone else wants too. Why must you fight us on this?

You didn’t appear to agree with my message.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's kind of where I'm coming from. I absolutely buy the argument that firing Garrett is an easy decision for Jerry to make for a variety of reasons

I don't agree with the premise that keeping him around for the end of the season even if he is a goner for sure is easier. With the state of our fan base and the media right now, firing JG immediately could be one of the easiest and most popular decisions Jerry might ever make

Of course but by keeping him now it will make the decision later easier.

But my bigger issue is I don’t believe this current environment is what’s best for our success down the stretch.