Would you sign Dak for 5-years, $175 million?

[Manwiththeplan]

It's a concern, but I still lean towards a franchise tag and letting a new coach decide.

My issue with that, is no coach is gonna decide otherwise. In essence, they'd be going into year 2 with a rebuilding plan and realistically, that's how coaches get fired. We should either franchise and trade him for some value, let him walk for the comp pick and start over, or resign him. Tagging and kicking the decision into the future is the worst outcome out of the three.

 

[LatinMind]

Not sure how you're calculating this, but Wentz signed a 4 year 128 million dollar deal ($32 million AAV) and Goff signed a 4 year 132 million dollar deal ($33 million AAV). I assume because both of those deals kick in in 2021 and Dak's would kick in in 2020. If that's the case, it's far more advantageous for him to get tagged at $25 million or so as opposed to getting an additional $5 million in 2020 and cash in, in 2021 where he'll exceed $35 million in AAV easily as opposed to $30 million which equals at least $20 million over the course of the deal.

Actually wentz signed a 4 yr extension as did goff. Thats what you people dont seem to understand. Both will still be playing on their rookie yrs in 2020. They contract yrs wont be accounted for until 2021. In the first 4 yrs of the new money for Wentz he will make 103mil. Goff falls under the same structure and in his first 4 yrs he will make 110mil and Wilsons 131mil.

Now they would have dead money after these 4 yrs if released, Wilson would have 13mil if but most likely gets extended one more time.

All of you wrecking your brains about what Dallas will do with Dak are just giving yourselves headaches. The team has said everytime they've been asked He will be signed, he is their franchise QB. I dont see why youjust cant accept the fact like it or not he's going to be a Cowboys for a long time. How ever its structured, with 1 long deal or 2 deals, hes going to be the Cowboys QB for atleast 8 more yrs.

 

[Stash]

My issue with that, is no coach is gonna decide otherwise. In essence, they'd be going into year 2 with a rebuilding plan and realistically, that's how coaches get fired.

It's also how coaches get time to see that plan through to fruition, or failure.

We should either franchise and trade him for some value, let him walk for the comp pick and start over, or resign him. Tagging and kicking the decision into the future is the worst outcome out of the three.

I disagree. A tag gives time to assess under changed conditions without locking you in one way or the other.

 

[CPanther95]

I actually think they would be saving a lot of money. Mahomes will almost certainly blow the current highest AAV for a QB out of the water. If it's $35 million now, expect $40+, jmo. That allows guys like Dak to start approaching $38 or $39 million, depending on how much Mahomes gets. And don't make the mistake of letting Baltimore sign Lamar Jackson after the 2021 season before we sign Dak. Because Lamar Jackson will eclipse Mahomes as well.

That's exactly my point. By all accounts, Dak is already asking for somewhere between $35 - $40M. Next year probably won't get any more expensive.

If you say he'll get $37M next year guaranteed for 5 years. You're going to spend an extra $10M more than the $35M/yr that is proposed in this thread. I think franchise tag is $32M??

So you're only spending $7M spread over 5 years in order to make sure he's worth it moving forward. That's pretty cheap insurance.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Actually wentz signed a 4 yr extension as did goff. Thats what you people dont seem to understand. Both will still be playing on their rookie yrs in 2020. They contract yrs wont be accounted for until 2021.

I assume because both of those deals kick in in 2021 and Dak's would kick in in 2020.

Yea...I know. Hence why I said that and you quoted me saying that.

In the first 4 yrs of the new money for Wentz he will make 103mil. Goff falls under the same structure and in his first 4 yrs he will make 110mil and Wilsons 131mil.

This is where I'm not 100% sure what is "new" money and what isn't. With the 5th year option being worth $22 million, it looks as though 2020 contains no new money, and really just a restructure of that 22 million (20.5 million in different sources of money), so I don't see why 2020 would be factored in, and the 4 years 2021-2024 are worth more than you are saying.

 

[Manster_Mash]

Nope. No thanks, dak. Good luck in your future endeavors.

 

[lonestar2288]

I'm more inclined to tag Dak for 2020 and go from there. I can see Dak falling into that 33-35 mill area, and I've come to accept that. It's all about what's gauranteed and the yrs involved. IF we're talking long term(more than 4 yrs), I want it designed to where there's the ability to move on if they so choose after yr 3

 

[CWR]

If you could sign Prescott for that cost today, would you do it or not?

Yes but I wouldn't give him any more guaranteed than Wentz or Goff, whatever theirs is.

 

[beware_d-ware]

Where do I sign?

Look: if you are against resigning Dak at that price, I'm guessing you assume that either

-we will find a better quarterback in the near future, or

-QB salaries are going to stagnate or decrease.

Dak is a top 10 QB right now, so I don't think we'll be finding a better QB any time soon, and I'm convinced that QB salaries are only going to keep going up if we wait. So the best time to pay Dak is right now.

 

[MrPhil]

I am in. Price of QB poker is only going to up (and considerably).......

 

[Manwiththeplan]

That's exactly my point. By all accounts, Dak is already asking for somewhere between $35 - $40M. Next year probably won't get any more expensive.

If you say he'll get $37M next year guaranteed for 5 years. You're going to spend an extra $10M more than the $35M/yr that is proposed in this thread. I think franchise tag is $32M??

So you're only spending $7M spread over 5 years in order to make sure he's worth it moving forward. That's pretty cheap insurance.

Obviously I'm not a part of the negotiations and personally have a hard time believing that he is seeking an AAV higher than any current QB. But if that is the case and he's seeking $35-40, what I'm saying is I expect that number to climb by more than a few million. If Dak's agents is asking for that much, then Mahomes will likely feel justified asking for $40-$45 or more and bumps up the price for Dak.

So going back to the original question, I think $35 gets it done, if so, I do it today, because that number could end up awfully close to $40 or exceeding it depending on future deals.

 

[IslandCowboy]

We aren't getting him for less than $187.5 million over 5 years. Book it.

 

[leeblair]

Anyone ever tell you you were verbose?

Lol.
When I was younger, yeah.
As I get older I lack enthusiasm for some things.

 

[superonyx]

There are 30 plus free agents after the season. Not all of them will need a big contract but I'm reluctant to hand out big contracts to players and get painted into a corner. I'm not saying fire the whole bunch out of spite for having a bad season. I simply wonder if it is easier to turn the roster over during the next two seasons and go in a different direction rather than get married to a few pieces from the Garrett era which is tainted and hope to find better coaching. I wouldn't be upset if Dak gets paid or signs a long term deal and they build around him. I guess I just wonder how close they actually are now.

I'm not sure who scares you from resigning?
Amari Cooper? You think we can do better in free agency?
Byron Jones? Again do you think we can do better in free agency?
Quinn? He is probably leaving anyway for money.

Other than these 2 and Dak the rest of the guys who are in need of a contract are replaceable type of players.
I don't think any of us would be upset switching out some of the lower tier parts.

 

[LatinMind]

Yea...I know. Hence why I said that and you quoted me saying that.



This is where I'm not 100% sure what is "new" money and what isn't. With the 5th year option being worth $22 million, it looks as though 2020 contains no new money, and really just a restructure of that 22 million (20.5 million in different sources of money), so I don't see why 2020 would be factored in, and the 4 years 2021-2024 are worth more than you are saying.

Wentz and Goff had 2 yrs left on their deals when they signed their extensions(2019,2020). But the SB get prorated from the time of signing which SB gets prorated into 5 yrs. So they start getting prorated from this yr 2019. 2021, and 2020 is old money thats from his rookie deal. The new money which is the yrs of his extension starts in 2021

 

[LatinMind]

I'm not sure who scares you from resigning?
Amari Cooper? You think we can do better in free agency?
Byron Jones? Again do you think we can do better in free agency?
Quinn? He is probably leaving anyway for money.

Other than these 2 and Dak the rest of the guys who are in need of a contract are replaceable type of players.
I don't think any of us would be upset switching out some of the lower tier parts.

I think Dallas could do alot better then Jones in FA. Marcus Peters and Logan Ryan are head and Shoulders and Probably a torso above Jones.

 

[Tussinman]

Tagging and kicking the decision into the future is the worst outcome out of the three.

And not only that most sensable agents will not allow a tag in this situation. Agent will say "sorry you had my client start for 4 seasons at near league minimum wage, time to make your decision"

 

[superonyx]

I think Dallas could do alot better then Jones in FA. Marcus Peters and Logan Ryan are head and Shoulders and Probably a torso above Jones.

You may be right. I'm mixed on Jones.
I don't put all the blame of our secondaries lack of turnovers on the skill level of the guys as much as I put it on the scheme that is not innovative at all. Watching Sam Darnold carve us up like a thanksgiving turkey was pretty bad. We just line up and "beat your man". That crap hasnt worked at this level in a long time. Turnovers come from scheme and making the QB see ghost.

I just dont know what we have when we don't have a coaching staff equipped to put players in positions to succeed.

That said I am not giving him a franchise level contract. He can walk before I do that.

 

[charron]

Nope I wouldn't pay Dak 30/year.

 

[willia451]

If you could sign Prescott for that cost today, would you do it or not?

I think so. Dak is a good NFL QB. He can't put the team on his shoulders and win a game for you. But almost no one else can either.

Do it.