The Big Picture of the Garrett Era

[Diehardblues]

I understand the dysfunction is Dallas.

But to say the Commanders are a better situation?

The Commanders just might be the biggest train wreck in all of sports. Meyer may not coach in Dallas. But there is no way he goes to Washington either.

A better situation fitting Meyer because of his explayers and more control.

Just because Dallas has a better team doesn’t mean it’s a better situation.

 

[Diehardblues]

Would Urban Meyer be willing to give credit to Jerry? Jerry might be able to live w/ Urban having control over most stuff if Urban gives him credit.

The problem is the media and fans would give Urban credit. Just like they did Jimmy.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Only three things are infinite: The universe, human stupidity, and Garrett Fan excuses.

And I'm not sure about the universe.

 

[CouchCoach]

Good stuff, Bullet, well thought out and I appreciate the amount of work you put into your threads. I do not appreciate it enough to duplicate that effort and count on my fellow posters to fill in the holes.

There are two words I associate with Booger about the performance of his team on the field and they do not apply to off the field with media coverage and profits. "Good enough". The team has been good enough for him to retain his level of comfort with this HC and he's back in that level after this last game. This year is the first he's actually been put in that uncomfortable position of being called out in the media and that will most definitely get a reaction from him as he lives for that. Not since Costas trapped him with that question on a SNF pregame has he been the one under the magnifying glass.

I do think he realizes the guy he wants to keep as his HC is at the crossroads and must save himself, Booger can't save him and save face. And face is mighty important to him.

And I've voiced this in several threads but watching Garrett's demeanor on the sideline this year, has he had enough? Is he tired of the circus? They used to say that coaching in NY was the toughest but Shurmur is on the bubble and doesn't get near the play that Garrett does. Hell, the team with the coach that has won 6 since the Cowboys last went is in another cheating situation and Garrett still gets more coverage.

I think the Dallas Cowboys job is one that most coaches want to say they had it but nothing's as pleasant as leaving it.

And make no mistake about it, the way Garrett has handled himself throughout this entire ordeal has not caused one interested suitor to drop interest and probably created some. He was already well thought of in the owner/GM circles and is a good politician.

I want another HC because I am just tired of this situation. I want change for change sake, whether it improves or not, I just want change.

 

[Diehardblues]

1989

Actually, never. In '89 he knew, he had his hands full, just taking care of the business side. This is why Jimmy, & his success on the field, was also a long term negative. He was successful quickly, considering where the team was when he started. The negative (in my opinion), it looked easy to Jerry. He was very jealous of the praise, & accolades that went to Jimmy. He wanted to be loved like Jimmy was/is.

Not many leopards ever change their spots. However, when you've tried everything else, what do you do..? Plenty of talking heads have said as much. We all know, Jerry does hear them. We'll never see a situation where Jerry gives up 100% control. So, the best we can hope for, is for a strong will coach like Meyer, who has some control, & can get more out of these players.

Correct ..

Jerry just got lucky with Jimmy but as soon as he didn’t receive the credit Jerry didn’t care if it disrupted back to back champions which is great example Jerry places his own passions over the best interest of Cowboys Football .

 

[CouchCoach]

The problem is the media and fans would give Urban credit. Just like they did Jimmy.

That's his challenge with bringing in a name.

I think he was happy and relieved when Parcells was unsuccessful because all of the credit would have gone to Parcells and the only credit Booger would have received was realizing he was a poor fit for the job.

He's walking a fine line with the next hire. And the more we see about coaches like Meyer and Rhule requiring control, the worse it gets for Booger because if it works, it was the relinquishing control, just as he did with Johnson, that was the catalyst of success.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's his challenge with bringing in a name.

I think he was happy and relieved when Parcells was unsuccessful because all of the credit would have gone to Parcells and the only credit Booger would have received was realizing he was a poor fit for the job.

He's walking a fine line with the next hire. And the more we see about coaches like Meyer and Rhule requiring control, the worse it gets for Booger because if it works, it was the relinquishing control, just as he did with Johnson, that was the catalyst of success.

I have no faith Jerry will do what’s best for Cowboys Football . Only what’s best for Jerry’s agenda.

 

[CouchCoach]

Correct ..

Jerry just got lucky with Jimmy but as soon as he didn’t receive the credit Jerry didn’t care if it disrupted back to back champions which is great example Jerry places his own passions over the best interest of Cowboys Football .

I think Booger got blindsided by Dallas.

He came in and fired a local legend and that started it and buys a home in Highland Park, the town that the Landry's lived in and he was about as welcome as a brown shoe at the formal. The team has a turnaround that shocked not only the NFL but Booger as well. The HC that he hired to replace the HC that he fired and caught all of the heat for became the most loved celebrity in Dallas. He becomes a local legend himself predicting the win against the Niners and the distaste Dallas has for Booger increases with the stare down with Emmitt and he even has credible death threats and is seen nervously hanging out in the alcove of his own stadium before that 2nd game.

He and Johnson divorce and he brings in his buddy and not only does his buddy not get credit for that 3rd ring, he catches the blame for not going in 94. When they do win, it's with Jimmy's team, not Booger's or Barry's. The local media continues their love affair with Jimmy and still does to this day.

Booger shows all of the traits of a narcissist longing for the city to love him as much as he loves himself. He tries to impress a city that worships money and wealth with the price of his toys and his stadium and practice complex and it is all Dallas, all superficial and underneath that pretty face Dallas shows the world is a very ugly one that reveals what they truly are, empty and soulless. Not talking about the everyday people but the money people, the people who really run it.

 

[RD21]

It really depends on what you're referring to by "He didn't get to where he's at....".

Where he's at you ask..?? A Billionaire, with a lifestyle most of us can only dream about. A HOF member. An owner with 3 SB rings, & the most valuable sports franchise in the world. He is one of the most recognizable names in the NFL. How many people know the name of the owner or GM of the Cardinals..? Just sayin... Love him, or hate him, Jerry Jones is an NFL icon.

Jerry got this franchise to perpetual mediocrity by being a huge idiot. Jerry is a football idiot and doesn't even comprehend why.

I don't think Jerry is an idiot. I think he's an egomaniac. Jerry loves him some Jerry. He wants to do it his way. I'm sure plenty of people of his self made wealth have the same mindset.

Granted, I get what you're saying. He doesn't realize that he is quite possibly the roadblock, for a return to glory. I hope he has that epiphany at some point, & soon. I doubt he's capable at his age. Although, a guy as smart as Jones, has to realize his mortality. Sadly, Al Davis didn't...lol. It's getting harder to take Jerry serious about wanting another Championship, more than anything, without changing something in his operating procedure. We can only hope......

 

[CouchCoach]

I have no faith Jerry will do what’s best for Cowboys Football . Only what’s best for Jerry’s agenda.

Why would he, how many billionaires do you see not do what's best for their agenda? His just happens to be getting credit for a ring, the others don't need that. It is so important to him that it will affect who he hires and how he allows them to run their part of the team.

 

[Diehardblues]

Where he's at you ask..?? A Billionaire, with a lifestyle most of us can only dream about. A HOF member. An owner with 3 SB rings, & the most valuable sports franchise in the world. He is one of the most recognizable names in the NFL. How many people know the name of the owner or GM of the Cardinals..? Just sayin... Love him, or hate him, Jerry Jones is an NFL icon.


I don't think Jerry is an idiot. I think he's an egomaniac. Jerry loves him some Jerry. He wants to do it his way. I'm sure plenty of people of his self made wealth have the same mindset.

Granted, I get what you're saying. He doesn't realize that he is quite possibly the roadblock, for a return to glory. I hope he has that epiphany at some point, & soon. I doubt he's capable at his age. Although, a guy as smart as Jones, has to realize his mortality. Sadly, Al Davis didn't...lol. It's getting harder to take Jerry serious about wanting another Championship, more than anything, without changing something in his operating procedure. We can only hope......

Right

He obviously realizes he’s a problem but doesn’t care enough to get out of the way.

And we know this cause he’s admitted to of firing a GM with his record this era. And refuses to bring in Named HC unless he has a need beyond Cowboys Football.

There really is little hope as long as Jerry’s intent on being everything Cowboys Football. But some fans still are holding out he’s going to change. I certainly wouldn’t place my money on it. He’s doubled down now with his recent rhetoric throwing fits just at the thought fans want him to change.

 

[CouchCoach]

Where he's at you ask..?? A Billionaire, with a lifestyle most of us can only dream about. A HOF member. An owner with 3 SB rings, & the most valuable sports franchise in the world. He is one of the most recognizable names in the NFL. How many people know the name of the owner or GM of the Cardinals..? Just sayin... Love him, or hate him, Jerry Jones is an NFL icon.


I don't think Jerry is an idiot. I think he's an egomaniac. Jerry loves him some Jerry. He wants to do it his way. I'm sure plenty of people of his self made wealth have the same mindset.

Granted, I get what you're saying. He doesn't realize that he is quite possibly the roadblock, for a return to glory. I hope he has that epiphany at some point, & soon. I doubt he's capable at his age. Although, a guy as smart as Jones, has to realize his mortality. Sadly, Al Davis didn't...lol. It's getting harder to take Jerry serious about wanting another Championship, more than anything, without changing something in his operating procedure. We can only hope......

There's a difference between Crazy Al and Booger, no one has ever doubted Crazy Al as a football man, he proved that before he went off the deep end. He also didn't hire his college roommate, with whom he was competitive back at AR, watch him come in and take all of the glory. The only thing Booger got credit for was hiring Jimmy and getting out of the way.

And you are correct, Booger is not just the face of the Cowboys, he is the face of the NFL.

 

[starman22]

There is still a part of me that thinks Marinelli is going to be scapegoated if they make the playoffs and win the first game.

He should absolutely be gone regardless of any other moves we make.

 

[johneric8]

If we make the playoffs and flame-out as usual, Jerry is going to absolutely have to make a splash in terms of a coaching change. He will not, let me repeat, will not be in position to slide another puppet through the back door it's just not gonna happen.

Like most of you, I have very little faith in Jerry as the GM, but I do know his tendencies tell me that he is gearing up for a big splash because he really has no choice. Urban Meyer would be an amazing motivator to have for our team, so lets keep our fingers crossed this is the big splash incoming.

 

[CouchCoach]

Right

He obviously realizes he’s a problem but doesn’t care enough to get out of the way.

I am not sure he realizes that or is able to accept that because that will signal defeat.

He's channeling Milton Hershey. He failed so many times trying to be a chocolatier that he went through most of his family's money but he refused to give up. All he had discovered what was great inventors like Bell and Edison subscribed to, "I've found out what doesn't work". Hershey built the most successful chocolate business in the world.

I think Booger is convinced he's going to win. How many times do we think he thought about a well he had sunk a lot of cash into but those are the ones he's said come through for him? The highest risk; the highest reward.

I do not think he sees himself as the problem, I think he thinks he's the only answer and he's stubborn and dedicated enough to stay at it.

The problem is not that Booger is the GM; it is that he's the part-time GM. Were he to devote the time to that job the other non owner/GM's do, who knows how good he could be? What other GM's feel comfortable sharing that they don't watch player film? He likes the title and he likes doing the parts of the job he wants to do, just not the entire job.

 

[Diehardblues]

If we make the playoffs and flame-out as usual, Jerry is going to absolutely have to make a splash in terms of a coaching change. He will not, let me repeat, will not be in position to slide another puppet through the back door it's just not gonna happen.

Like most of you, I have very little faith in Jerry as the GM, but I do know his tendencies tell me that he is gearing up for a big splash because he really has no choice. Urban Meyer would be an amazing motivator to have for our team, so lets keep our fingers crossed this is the big splash incoming.

Please explain that Jerry has no choice?

 

[Diehardblues]

I am not sure he realizes that or is able to accept that because that will signal defeat.

He's channeling Milton Hershey. He failed so many times trying to be a chocolatier that he went through most of his family's money but he refused to give up. All he had discovered what was great inventors like Bell and Edison subscribed to, "I've found out what doesn't work". Hershey built the most successful chocolate business in the world.

I think Booger is convinced he's going to win. How many times do we think he thought about a well he had sunk a lot of cash into but those are the ones he's said come through for him? The highest risk; the highest reward.

I do not think he sees himself as the problem, I think he thinks he's the only answer and he's stubborn and dedicated enough to stay at it.

The problem is not that Booger is the GM; it is that he's the part-time GM. Were he to devote the time to that job the other non owner/GM's do, who knows how good he could be? What other GM's feel comfortable sharing that they don't watch player film? He likes the title and he likes doing the parts of the job he wants to do, just not the entire job.

Yes. You get it. Well most of it.

Except you're giving Jerry too much credit. He’s not that interested in winning if he’s not front and center.

I think he does realize he’s not the best option for Cowboys Football but he’s the only option as long as he owns it. And he’s going to continue selling he’s the best option cause in his mind .. he’s the only option.

For some reason that’s difficult for all fans to cypher out. I’m not sure why this is so difficult for everyone to swallow? But it would explain why some fans still have hope things could change.

 

[kskboys]

Where he's at you ask..?? A Billionaire, with a lifestyle most of us can only dream about. A HOF member. An owner with 3 SB rings, & the most valuable sports franchise in the world. He is one of the most recognizable names in the NFL. How many people know the name of the owner or GM of the Cardinals..? Just sayin... Love him, or hate him, Jerry Jones is an NFL icon.


I don't think Jerry is an idiot. I think he's an egomaniac. Jerry loves him some Jerry. He wants to do it his way. I'm sure plenty of people of his self made wealth have the same mindset.

Granted, I get what you're saying. He doesn't realize that he is quite possibly the roadblock, for a return to glory. I hope he has that epiphany at some point, & soon. I doubt he's capable at his age. Although, a guy as smart as Jones, has to realize his mortality. Sadly, Al Davis didn't...lol. It's getting harder to take Jerry serious about wanting another Championship, more than anything, without changing something in his operating procedure. We can only hope......

Of course. However, Jerry is a football idiot. He doesn't understand the NFL game. He thinks it's all about CB's, WR's, and RB's

"Where he's at". That's why I asked. Success off the field, he's got everything. Success on the field, he's failed miserably. He's at the top financially, close to the bottom football wise.

 

[kskboys]

Yes. You get it. Well most of it.

Except you're giving Jerry too much credit. He’s not that interested in winning if he’s not front and center.

I think he does realize he’s not the best option for Cowboys Football but he’s the only option as long as he owns it. And he’s going to continue selling he’s the best option cause in his mind .. he’s the only option.

For some reason that’s difficult for all fans to cypher out. I’m not sure why this is so difficult for everyone to swallow? But it would explain why some fans still have hope things could change.

I'll go even further. I don't think Jerry even thinks about himself being the best option. I think his thought process stops at "I'm the owner, I'll do it my way." I think "options" are the furthest thing from his mind.

My only hope at present is that Jerry decides to do what it takes to win one before he passes. At 77, prolly doesn't have much time left, so I do believe there's a slight chance he'll feel desperate and try to get a legit HC.

 

[Bobhaze]

I think Booger got blindsided by Dallas.

He came in and fired a local legend and that started it and buys a home in Highland Park, the town that the Landry's lived in and he was about as welcome as a brown shoe at the formal. The team has a turnaround that shocked not only the NFL but Booger as well. The HC that he hired to replace the HC that he fired and caught all of the heat for became the most loved celebrity in Dallas. He becomes a local legend himself predicting the win against the Niners and the distaste Dallas has for Booger increases with the stare down with Emmitt and he even has credible death threats and is seen nervously hanging out in the alcove of his own stadium before that 2nd game.

He and Johnson divorce and he brings in his buddy and not only does his buddy not get credit for that 3rd ring, he catches the blame for not going in 94. When they do win, it's with Jimmy's team, not Booger's or Barry's. The local media continues their love affair with Jimmy and still does to this day.

Booger shows all of the traits of a narcissist longing for the city to love him as much as he loves himself. He tries to impress a city that worships money and wealth with the price of his toys and his stadium and practice complex and it is all Dallas, all superficial and underneath that pretty face Dallas shows the world is a very ugly one that reveals what they truly are, empty and soulless. Not talking about the everyday people but the money people, the people who really run it.

This is an excellent description of Jerry and his psychological profile, and his weird dance with Dallas.

Jerry’s need to constantly be validated and hero worshipped is pathological. Like most narcissists, he sees himself in ways almost everyone but his sycophants don’t. He is mostly responsible for this nearly quarter century of playoff futility. And yet he never seems to accept it. He holds others responsible for his own failures, creating a Khama death grip on his franchise that probably doesn’t end until he changes, steps aside or sings in the choir eternal.

Jerry Jones is the most bizarrely insecure billionaire I’ve ever seen. While 30 of the other 32 owners know to win a super bowl they need to hire someone who knows what they’re doing, our billionaire gas lights himself year after into thinking he can do what 24 straight years say he cannot. It’s really pathetic.