West Coast Offense?

[stiletto]

I think it would be a slow evolution. Mix old (that worked) with Mike's. I think it could go really well. Depends on if Kellen Moore stays. If he and Mike collaborate well, it could be really interesting to see.

 

[Tabascocat]

which sounds promising if this means QB will be more under center. Since I really do believe zeke runs the ball much more efficiently and effective when
he can get a deeper handoff and better access and sense holes and openings at the line...vs RPO draw-play handoffs.

I do believe we will have some shotgun formation plays - that's just the trend around the league- some teams just us it more than others.
And under kitna-kellen, I thought Dak was efficient at quickly setting, reading and getting the ball quickly out of his hand.
and his yards average per pass was among the highest in the NFL, it was definitely no more dinking- dunking. We were pushing the ball down the field in the pass game.

i'm just wondering if Dak is going to be asked to throw more from a moving pocket in several formations than what we saw in Kellen's offense.

Yea, I don’t know what to expect. I imagine there will be shotgun formations, moving pockets.....a hybrid of sorts. I prefer the same formation most of the time to prevent predictability and that would be under center. Maybe Dak feels more comfortable in the gun, so MM will have to adapt. Like I said, camp will be fun

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I think it's a fail. To run a WCO, or even an offense with strong elements that aren't necessarily pure WCO, it takes excellent footwork and very strong practiced mechanics. You have to have command of the offense, you have to be able to throw into tight windows and you must be very disciplined of your reads. None of those things are strengths of Dak IMO. His skills are stronger else where.

I feel like Dak just started getting a decent handle on our old Offense. I don't see how going to a different Offense is going to help. But hey, if you are going to replace the coaching staff, you are going to have to deal with chance. I just don't love this HC.

JMO

 

[erod]

This is very true if you completely ignore reality. He finished 6th in the league in average intended air yards and third in average completed air yards lol.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/passing#average-intended-yards

You're confusing Dak with Jimmy Garoppolo. Easy mistake.

Oh, yeah, Dak was just awesome.

LOL

 

[Future]

Oh, yeah, Dak was just awesome.

LOL

Nah, you said he was a dink and dunk quarterback. He wasn't, not even close.

To be so wrong about that and have an opinion about whether or not he was "awesome" is baseless. Just admit you don't like him and don't know what you're watching. It will save everyone a lot of trouble.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Ya man it was Garrett's fault that Dak stunk it up against good defenses the past 3 years!!!!
Oh well, excuses are a dime a dozen now go tell Dak to practice the over the shoulder pass ...oops I forgot his "Skillset" doesn't allow for this pass!!!

Excuses? Garrett's been here for more than a decade. What has he done to improve the team? Please do tell.......

 

[quickccc]

My understanding is we will finally be able to run a screen pass!

getting Pollard & Zeke in open space

on the radio they were saying his offense is great at getting the ball out of the QB's hands quickly

that will be interesting because one of my issues with Dak is it seems he holds the ball too long. If that improves it could really help out Dak

- that was the Dak of old, he vastly improved that area last year in 2019. Between dak setting, reading, getting the ball outta his hand more quickly and the OL performance, that combination
helped us become one of the very effective least sacks allowed teams.

- and from zeke's first two-three years, we were very effective with the quick RB screen plays, ala Steelers/ Niners/ Lions games)

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Dak likes to dink and dunk, so it should be a good fit.

Then you look at his scatter charts and compare them to league averages. He has never been a check down charlie.

 

[Redball Express]

Can you tell us what exactly Dak's skill set is?
Cause beyond handing the ball off to Zeke and throwing 2 yards passes with an accurate slant once in a while or a long ball (when the CB have bumped into each other and fallen down) haven't really seen that skill set?

Garrett was a short-sighted moron.

He tried to make Romo a pocket passer.

Never worked..Romo wore down from the pounding and went out on his shield.

Garrett tried to take Dak and make him a pocket passer..

it never worked..Dak struggled.

2017 brought 60+ sacks for Dak.

2018 was a big improvement but Dak really never became a pocket passer as we would say traditional pocket passed.

Like a Rodgers or Manning did.

McCarthy maybe the best shot at getting Dak to the bright lights.

 

[BrassCowboy]

Actually think the WCO plays nicely to Daks skills. Be interesting to see.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Ya man it was Garrett's fault that Dak stunk it up against good defenses the past 3 years!!!!
Oh well, excuses are a dime a dozen now go tell Dak to practice the over the shoulder pass ...oops I forgot his "Skillset" doesn't allow for this pass!!!

Well at least we can agree with something - that Garrett's fault that stunk it up against good defenses. I can agree with that.

No it is not an excuse. This offense have stunk for years under Garrett. It only got better when they took away playcalling duties away from him.

To say that its all the fault of Garrett is being short-sighted and naive to the fact that Garrett's offense has been stale and lacked the ability to change it up to the skillset of the players. But you can go ahead and keep blaming it on Dak. I for one, don't think so.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I think it's a fail. To run a WCO, or even an offense with strong elements that aren't necessarily pure WCO, it takes excellent footwork and very strong practiced mechanics. You have to have command of the offense, you have to be able to throw into tight windows and you must be very disciplined of your reads. None of those things are strengths of Dak IMO. His skills are stronger else where.

I feel like Dak just started getting a decent handle on our old Offense. I don't see how going to a different Offense is going to help. But hey, if you are going to replace the coaching staff, you are going to have to deal with chance. I just don't love this HC.

JMO

I call false on saying that Dak doesn't have command of the offense. Also, you don't need to throw into tight window in the WCO. Your referring to more so to the Air Coryell offense which accuracy, reads, and timing is essential.

 

[percyhoward]

Dak likes to dink and dunk, so it should be a good fit.

FYI, the QB who threw the deepest, on average, in 2019:

Avg Depth of Target
(min 300 att)
1 Winston
2 Wilson
3 Allen
4 Prescott
5 Fitzpatrick

 

[CowboyChris]

Does a west coast offense require talent from it's QB? Asking for a friend.

does Philly run a WCO? asking for a friend

 

[Gangsta Spanksta]

So I have heard this mentioned several times by McCarthy.

I have watched the Packers bounce us out of the playoffs twice with it.

So what do you guys think about that aspect of the changing offense?

How does Dak fit that or will he struggle by having been in Linehan/Moore schemes?

Is it going to be obvious or a subtle change coming.?

We were lead to believe Moore had this profound change after Linehan was gone.

But I never saw much except we fell behind too often and had to throw to have any chance to stay in games.

Dak looked better but it was not due to design..it was due to have to.

So now West Coast?

Is this going to change anything?

Forum..check in.

Differing opinions welcome.

unlike the 90's there usually no many pure West Coast offenses or Air Coryell offense and such. Its a mixture. I never had anything against the West Coast offense. But we shouldn't give up our running game and become one dimensional like many West Coast offenses were. Still should feed Zeke.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Dak likes to dink and dunk

Yards per attempt this year:

Tannehill 9.6
Stafford 8.6
Garoppolo 8.4
Mahomes 8.3
Prescott 8.2

 

[xwalker]

Sort of.

Factually, the offense we have played forever is the "West Coast Offense". It was named by Bernie Kosar after referring to the offense in Dallas as the west coast offense from Don Coryell to Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese.

The Bill Walsh offense has its origins in Al Davis,Sid Gillman and Paul Brown's offense. Bill Walsh never allowed his QB to play in the shotgun, only used two wr and didn't allow motion. He also (As Babe Laufenberg often mentions on the radio broadcast) was a stickler for accuracy, it was the most important trait and would preach balls to be thrown six inches in front of the wr hands and at the numbers.

When Wyche, Holmgren and Shanahan took the offenses with them to their teams they made all kinds of changes. Wyche added the no huddle (The bills stole their k-gun offense from him), Holmgren added three wr sets and a lot of vertical routes and then Shanahan added the shotgun and seven step drops. Andy Reid combined all of it and a zone power running game.

this ten yards off the line of scrimmage is nonsense. It's 2020 and everybody plays a mixture of all the offenses. The issue here will be the new terminology, that is rooted in Bill Walsh's scheme. McCarthy is a Paul Hackett descendant who took Walsh's offense to KC and installed his own running game...This is why Joe Montana went to KC in 93 because it was Walsh's offense.

again it's 2020 I don't think anyone is running Bill Walsh's offense anymore but the terminology will be rooted in that. I think all the offense's are a mixture of Walsh/Coryell/Earhardt's offenses mixed with the new RPO college stuff.

I think its a bummer we never got Romo in this offense and also I think Patrick Crayton was taylor made for the Walsh offense.

I also remember Parcells getting all agitated in Press conferences when someone would ask him questions about playing against the west coast offense because Walsh's offense was not the west coast offense it just got incorrectly tagged that and it stuck.

I don't think Dak Prescott would succeed in Bill Walsh's offense, he has real accuracy issues so this training camp will be interesting to watch.

About 99.9% of fans/media refer to the Bill Walsh offense and it's it's derivatives as the West Coadt Offense.

At some point Defacto naming convention surpasses Technical definition...

 

[ChronicCowboy]

The WCO relies heavily on the QB to make plays in the passing game.

The WCO relies heavily on a zone blocking scheme.

The WCO completely de-prioritizes the RB position.

This roster is not built for the WCO.

 

[garyo1954]

does Philly run a WCO? asking for a friend

Doug Pederson is part of the Andy Reid coaching tree, having been on Reid's coaching staffs from 2009 until he was hired as the Eagles’ coach in 2016. His offense is rooted in Reid’s West Coast system adding some college and other pro systems schemes like the run-pass option.

Pat Shurmur started working with Andy Reid on the West Coast but also worked with Chip Kelly and Norv Turner who rely heavily on play option.

Jay Gruden, well, naturally he runs a West Coach similar to brother John's. Short to intermediate routes adding some post or double moves. His system is designed to provide the QB with multiple outs.

 

[fansince68]

So I have heard this mentioned several times by McCarthy.

I have watched the Packers bounce us out of the playoffs twice with it.

So what do you guys think about that aspect of the changing offense?

How does Dak fit that or will he struggle by having been in Linehan/Moore schemes?

Is it going to be obvious or a subtle change coming.?

We were lead to believe Moore had this profound change after Linehan was gone.

But I never saw much except we fell behind too often and had to throw to have any chance to stay in games.

Dak looked better but it was not due to design..it was due to have to.

So now West Coast?

Is this going to change anything?

Forum..check in.

Differing opinions welcome.

West coast offense=donk, dink and Dak on steroids.

Dak will be fine with it and Witten will play another 5 years.