The Elite QB Farce

[Flamma]

Things change. Brady has made personal choices about his money. He and his wife are worth half a billion dollars

Dak has some solid endorsement money but this is his first chance for a real NFL QB contract. I just don’t get how so many fans expect him to work for less than the market bears.

none of us would tell our friends and family to work for less than they’re worth. Why would we ask Dak to take pennies on the dollar?

What does the market bear? Nick Foles doesn't get what the market bears but Dak should?

No Cowboys fan is asking Dak to work for less than he's worth. It's that some Cowboys fans don't think he's worth what the market bears.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

That’s the market price though. Who are we to demand he ask for less?

You and the rest of the Dak-Blind here are in for one unhappy Spring and 2020 season.
Remember this post.....

 

[keysersoze]

You and the rest of the Dak-Blind here are in for one unhappy Spring and 2020 season.
Remember this post.....

Meaning what? And why do you choose to hand out disrespectful nicknames to those who choose to support our quarterback? What’s your true purpose here? Please explain.

 

[keysersoze]

What does the market bear? Nick Foles doesn't get what the market bears but Dak should?

No Cowboys fan is asking Dak to work for less than he's worth. It's that some Cowboys fans don't think he's worth what the market bears.

Those Fans ain’t cutting his check either. Opinions are like buttholes. Everybody has one and they’re all fulla crap. Ya know?

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Meaning what? And why do you choose to hand out disrespectful nicknames to those who choose to support our quarterback? What’s your true purpose here? Please explain.

Go to sleep my man and let things take their road.
So far Jerry isn't sold on Dak hence no multi-year contract.
The only thing that is up in the air is the Tag?
We await the bosses decision.
Be prepared for news that might NOT agree with you.
Best....

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Those Fans ain’t cutting his check either. Opinions are like buttholes. Everybody has one and they’re all fulla crap. Ya know?

Priceless!!!!

 

[keysersoze]

Go to sleep my man and let things take their road.
So far Jerry isn't sold on Dak hence no multi-year contract.
The only thing that is up in the air is the Tag?
We await the bosses decision.
Be prepared for news that might NOT agree with you.
Best....

Whatever they decide to do I’m ok with it. I’m a Cowboys fan. Not a man who’s got a crush on certain players. I know the business. Players come and go. They get what they ask or they don’t. I’m not like you and the others with agendas who are still bitter like jilted women over Romo being replaced. Every player gets replaced sooner or later. That’s what it is.

 

[Philmonroe]

Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly were pretty elite in their time, but neither won a Super Bowl.

And your point is?

 

[Philmonroe]

Can someone please give me their definition of AN ELITE QUARTERBACK? Just for reference.

Not your football hero Dak for sure. Just for reference. If you’re too doltish to know what an elite qb is we can’t trust anything you say about QBs. Form your own opinions sir

 

[Philmonroe]

Look Little Dude. Please stop with the disguised insults and let’s debate like men. I am in no way a casual fan. I’ve been a diehard Cowboys fan since 1976 and I’m not impressed with anything short of a championship. I’m an older guy who didn’t grow up in the fantasy football era. When I played ball there were no congratulatory awards for participation. Either you won or lost. Straight like that.

Just because you don’t have much to do with your spare time doesn’t mean you’re not a casual fan sir. You’re just an older casual fan that isn’t too far from some of the bandwagon fans of teams I know. Sorry sir but it is what it is.

 

[Nav22]

Talk about nonsense and a credibility problem. Dude, you said Rogers is not a better QB than Dak ? Out loud. In public...lol. Dak is as accurate as Rogers ? Have you ever seen Rogers, consistently, throw darts and hit receivers in stride on long balls ? And drop balls into minute windows, while he’s falling, for touchdowns. While Dak is throwing balls behind and too high and in the dirt. Man, how people don’t believe their eyes anymore... I bet in your universe Jerry is as good a coach as Jimmy.

No, I specifically said 2019 Rodgers wasn’t better than Dak this season.

I don’t know who “Rogers” is.

Dak’s QBR and passer rating were better for a reason.

 

[Little Jr]

Elite is one of the most misused terms to describe players. It’s handed out like candy on October 31st these days.

Agree 100%. A QB can be called elite one year then the next year hes out and another one is added. Or we just keep adding qbs to the list lol.

 

[Little Jr]

Overpaying the QB position hurts more then anything IMO.

Rodgers is highly paid so maybe he can buck the trend of highly paid QB's winning a championship but he is an actual elite QB.

Ill call highly paid top 5. Thats 27 teams/qbs that they are competing with to win a chip. If someone gave me the field to win the chip vs the top 5 paid, Ill take the field every year because its just good odds lol. Doesnt mean teams should build there team with the philosophy of not paying the qb position because a top paid hasnt won a chip in x amount of years. Jimmy G has a shot also and just 2 years ago he was top paid and is still top 10 paid. Which also shows that a top pay contract one year is barely top 10 2 years later. It use to be top paid qbs didnt make the playoffs this year, but this year 3 of the top paid made the playoffs. 6 of the top 10 made the playoffs and 3 of those were top paid at with in the past 2 years. Its a cycle thats been going on for years and has nothing to do with paying qbs top pay.

 

[starfan1]

If he's such a great QB, such a "fine QB", why wait until you are pushing 30 to get a contract extension? If he gets back to back tags, at that point, he hasn't proven himself to be THE guy and it's time to stop wasting away.

And Jerry can say what he wants, he didn't wait on signing an aging Romo to an extension, he's waiting with Dak and our cap situation is in much better condition. Jerry is as torn on Dak as anyone.

Ya maybe he realized how bad he screwed the pooch with previous qb perhaps you have a point good day sir
And our cap will be just fine Dak or no Dak

 

[Hadenough]

They were making those kinds of investments when Romo was QB too. Toward the end. Some things the FO never learns.

Im hoping this draft will bring some t

Elite money today is average money in three years.

people freaking out about Dak’s payday don’t seem to realize that Mahomes is about to get over 200m and 40+ per year.

Im tired of people saying this. Elite money now is going to the norm in 3 years. How many teams right now are paying 30 + mil a year to the QB position? without looking I would say maybe 4 or 5.

 

[Kwyn]

Im hoping this draft will bring some t

Im tired of people saying this. Elite money now is going to the norm in 3 years. How many teams right now are paying 30 + mil a year to the QB position? without looking I would say maybe 4 or 5.

There’s a large free agent QB class and almost all of them are going to get paid

things change from year to year.
Like I said in three years 30m is going to be middle of the pack

how you twisted that to all QB’s earning 30m in a season thst is now over is a bit confusing

 

[foofighters]

I've seen so much of that here. "Got to have an elite QB" and "can't get it done without that elite QB".

The only thing I agree with is that the Cowboys do not have an elite QB and he probably won't ever be considered that.

Brady, Brees, Wilson, Jackson, Watson all have been mentioned with as that old guard elite or the new guard. Mahomes is in that group and along with Rodgers, the only ones left in the playoffs and is Rodgers there because he's played elite this season or is it the RB and DE's? And the fact that Brees, Rodgers and Wilson only have one ring doesn't seem to matter.

Did you catch Brees, Jackson, Wilson and Watson trying to lift their teams? Or did you catch Tannehill in his last two playoff games with <200 yards? Which is it better to have? The QB to lift the team or the team to support the QB? Ask Brady, Brees, Wilson, Jackson and Watson.

This is not about Prescott, it is about every team has to build around the QB and Brees, Rodgers and Wilson are proof. Elway was elite and he wouldn't have any rings if not for a HC and RB and an offensive philosophical change..

Roger and Troy had to have teams around them, same with Starr, Bradshaw, Montana and Brady wasn't that bad this season, the team around him wasn't the usual standard.

It's one thing we've seen, different kinds of teams can do it different ways, there isn't just one template. Get that elite QB and ride the wave. This isn't baseball when they can ride a pitcher or two.

I do not think if the Cowboys had any of those elite QB's this season, it would have been much different.

This is the fault of ESPN and Sports Center. Everyone sees all the highlights and they just assume that QB's can be purchased easily with a coupon at Walmart. I am hard on Dak but he can get it done. He is enough to get this team to the big dance. He is just going to need some help around him to do that. That includes coaching...which we might just have now. It's the same group that jumps on Heath. Can we have a better safety? Sure, but we have other needs as well and we can't have a "92 rated" player in every position. I'd rather see Jeff Heath at Safety than Jaylon Smith at LB at this point.

 

[glimmerman]

You can win with Dak. He can make the plays. We need a good running game led by O-Line and a good Defense. 2018 shocked me because our top 10 Defense folded.

I think most people’s problem with Dak is how much he is wanting, but there is a market price for a starting or franchise QB and it goes up every year. It’s the price a team has to pay to have the QB the owner and GM believes in. JJ and SJ believes in him. I am sure if Dak agreed to 25 million a year a lot of people would be ok with him being our starter. Not gonna happen. Will probly be 34-35 a year for 4 or 5 years. After next year someone else will pay there starter more and the price goes up.

He has the talent and stats to prove it. But not at the elite level. Whether he don’t have it yet or if he ever will is yet to be seen. He hasn’t hit his ceiling yet and improved over last year. And this is coming from a person who is rooting for him but not taking sides either, and I mean as far as I don’t like him or do like him.

I have seen him make some great plays and seen him be off. Watching the playoffs this weekend I was hoping the packers would lose but time after time in a playoff game rogers dropped it in the bucket. It was elite. Not sure he can ever do that but not sure rogers could do it like that when he was younger.

Bottom line is look at tannehill. Beat out jackson. Or did he. Nope the team beat him and tannehill moves the ball and made some plays when the Offense has the ball. I watched the game with a life long dolphins fan and he laughed so hard. He told me most knew that if he had a line to block for him and receivers he could get it done.

 

[charron]

You do not need an elite QB to make the playoffs unless your paying him too QB money.

Meaning at daks current salary you have enough money to build around him. But at 30+ million a year you will not have enough to build around most QB's so he will have to be elite and do what most average QB's can not. This is why we will not will the east under MM. Likely we cut MM and Dak after 3 years.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I've seen so much of that here. "Got to have an elite QB" and "can't get it done without that elite QB".

The only thing I agree with is that the Cowboys do not have an elite QB and he probably won't ever be considered that.

Brady, Brees, Wilson, Jackson, Watson all have been mentioned with as that old guard elite or the new guard. Mahomes is in that group and along with Rodgers, the only ones left in the playoffs and is Rodgers there because he's played elite this season or is it the RB and DE's? And the fact that Brees, Rodgers and Wilson only have one ring doesn't seem to matter.

Did you catch Brees, Jackson, Wilson and Watson trying to lift their teams? Or did you catch Tannehill in his last two playoff games with <200 yards? Which is it better to have? The QB to lift the team or the team to support the QB? Ask Brady, Brees, Wilson, Jackson and Watson.

This is not about Prescott, it is about every team has to build around the QB and Brees, Rodgers and Wilson are proof. Elway was elite and he wouldn't have any rings if not for a HC and RB and an offensive philosophical change..

Roger and Troy had to have teams around them, same with Starr, Bradshaw, Montana and Brady wasn't that bad this season, the team around him wasn't the usual standard.

It's one thing we've seen, different kinds of teams can do it different ways, there isn't just one template. Get that elite QB and ride the wave. This isn't baseball when they can ride a pitcher or two.

I do not think if the Cowboys had any of those elite QB's this season, it would have been much different.

so a one year exception, with two teams still having Elite QBs (which your tried to dismiss as non essential) make a rule in your book? screw all the other years when teams had an Elite QB...this year (50%) proves there is not a need for one....btw, grapolo is on the edge breaking into top 10 category