The Elite QB Farce

[Irvin88_4life]

You and I both agree. You are missing my point. I was speaking terms of heart or give or whatever you want to call it. Heath give his all even though it's not enough at times, you know he's giving everything and more. Can we say the same about Jaylon? Because Jaylon might be as well, but the perception may show differently. That's all I was really saying.

Can we say the same about Jaylon? That can't be serious, right.

Has Heath ever had the extreme injury that Jaylon Smith had and make a recovery and go to the pro bowl twice? Heck has Heath made even one probowl. Look at what Jaylon did to make that recovery, it's almost a miracle. So yes I believe Jaylon gives it his all even though some here don't like him because he celebrates too much. I think he has the right to celebrate all he wants.

 

[BoysForLife]

Things change. Brady has made personal choices about his money. He and his wife are worth half a billion dollars

Dak has some solid endorsement money but this is his first chance for a real NFL QB contract. I just don’t get how so many fans expect him to work for less than the market bears.

none of us would tell our friends and family to work for less than they’re worth. Why would we ask Dak to take pennies on the dollar?

I'm not asking him to take less that what he's worth

Just because other QB contracts are escalating doesn't mean Dak's should simply because he became a FA at "the right time".

Pay should be based on talent. Not timing
As simply as I can say it, Dak's not worth anywhere near what he's asking.

 

[MysteryIceGuro]

I'm not asking him to take less that what he's worth

Just because other QB contracts are escalating doesn't mean Dak's should simply because he became a FA at "the right time".

Pay should be based on talent. Not timing
As simply as I can say it, Dak's not worth anywhere near what he's asking.

Thank you for this rationality. Just because everyone else stupidly paid their average QB's "market" price, doesn't mean we have to. Dak simply isn't worth it. Fans are letting the market dictate what to do, when there is much more to it.

 

[BoysForLife]

Thank you for this rationality. Just because everyone else stupidly paid their average QB's "market" price, doesn't mean we have to. Dak simply isn't worth it. Fans are letting the market dictate what to do, when there is much more to it.

 

[Swagger]

I would not even call Dak elite as for the QB you put up those were lightening in a bottle season. Flacco had a great year and the Ravens won the SB along with one of the top defenses in the league and did little after than 1 season. Matt Ryan has had his ups and down and Foles a career backup who again had a magic season. None I would even put in the class of elite.

I agree that they are not elite quarterbacks but they all put up elite performances during the play offs.

 

[Philmonroe]

Thank you for this rationality. Just because everyone else stupidly paid their average QB's "market" price, doesn't mean we have to. Dak simply isn't worth it. Fans are letting the market dictate what to do, when there is much more to it.

You have to hit people with the old parents "if they jump off the bridge are you going to jump with them"

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree that they are not elite quarterbacks but they all put up elite performances during the play offs.

In a particular season. It is not like every playoff game they played in did they do great. Dak playoff numbers are not bad, but GB game in 2016 he helps the team to 31 points defense gives up 34. Last year defense could not stop the Rams from putting up over 200 yards rushing Dak throws for a TD and rushes for a TD helping the offense to 22 points but defense giving up 30. Dak can only control so much and that goes for all QB, defense has to bring their game as well. 2017 eagles with Foles in their playoff run the defense gave up 10 points and 7 points leading up to the SB. It was not all Foles. SB are still a team achievement not just the play of the QB

 

[McKDaddy]

This is in no way a knock on Garoppolo because I think he's a very good QB but I wouldn't exactly say that he's better.

In fact, among a lot of 9ers fans locally that I speak with you'll hear many of the same criticisms of him as you would Dak but at the end of the day the common theme is that he just finds a way to win.

Overall, I would put Dak ahead of him right now but he has played in like half the games and is a better passer. I think he could become a very good QB. Time will tell.

 

[keysersoze]

Not your football hero Dak for sure. Just for reference. If you’re too doltish to know what an elite qb is we can’t trust anything you say about QBs. Form your own opinions sir

Still no answer huh? Apparently you don’t know or aren’t intelligent enough to elaborate

 

[keysersoze]

Just because you don’t have much to do with your spare time doesn’t mean you’re not a casual fan sir. You’re just an older casual fan that isn’t too far from some of the bandwagon fans of teams I know. Sorry sir but it is what it is.

Casual or bandwagon fans aren’t loyal for 44 years though. Simpleton

 

[Philmonroe]

Still no answer huh? Apparently you don’t know or aren’t intelligent enough to elaborate

Ok

 

[Philmonroe]

Casual or bandwagon fans aren’t loyal for 44 years though. Simpleton

You have nothing else to do with your life sir so you watch the games for fun that doesn't make you a hardcore fan. It just means like I said you have nothing else to do,with yourself because you sure don't know much about football from the post I see.

 

[johneric8]

So let me get this straight, the debate here is whether Dak is worth top dollar or not right? If this is the argument than I guess the only logical response to this question is what does the market say Dak is worth? What are other QB hungry teams willing to pay for his services? I think this is the much better question because I think that will pretty much determine what Dak is worth on the open market. The other question is should the Cowboys take a chance on a QB in the draft for less money and no guarantees? Obviously this is a major crapshoot.

This whole Elite argument doesn't really pertain here in my opinion because being Elite or the best in the business at the QB position isn't enough in itself to get it done. I know that most on this forum consider Drew Brees elite, so I have to wonder why he has gone 7-9 in 2016, 2015 and 2014? and also 7-9 in 2012.... Lets not forget that drew brees had a great coach in Peyton as well.. I think too many of you are trying to use an eye test to explain away misguided narratives.

At the end of the day the market will set the value on Dak and his skills.

 

[aria]

Worst case scenario is paying a diva running back who takes himself out of games as the highest paid RB.

Oh wait....we already did that

 

[mattjames2010]

So let me get this straight, the debate here is whether Dak is worth top dollar or not right? If this is the argument than I guess the only logical response to this question is what does the market say Dak is worth? What are other QB hungry teams willing to pay for his services? I think this is the much better question because I think that will pretty much determine what Dak is worth on the open market. The other question is should the Cowboys take a chance on a QB in the draft for less money and no guarantees? Obviously this is a major crapshoot.

This whole Elite argument doesn't really pertain here in my opinion because being Elite or the best in the business at the QB position isn't enough in itself to get it done. I know that most on this forum consider Drew Brees elite, so I have to wonder why he has gone 7-9 in 2016, 2015 and 2014? and also 7-9 in 2012.... Lets not forget that drew brees had a great coach in Peyton as well.. I think too many of you are trying to use an eye test to explain away misguided narratives.

At the end of the day the market will set the value on Dak and his skills.

No, it won't, because QBs constantly get overpaid by desperate teams. Eventually, owners have got to start stepping back and realizing using 20% of your cap on an average QB does not help the team in the long run.

 

[aria]

Dak, buddy, you have been a trooper from day 1. Take a seat a week or two before training camp, go to the beach and demand to be paid as one of the highest QB’s. Your stats back it up just as much as Elliott’s backed up his and Jerry caved.

Now it’s your turn, go get that muuuuuuunaaaayy Dak. Hold the team hostage, don’t worry about them, it’s time you get yours.

 

[johneric8]

No, it won't, because QBs constantly get overpaid by desperate teams. Eventually, owners have got to start stepping back and realizing using 20% of your cap on an average QB does not help the team in the long run.

Right, but Dak is far from average man, your eye test lied to you.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Overpaying the QB position hurts more then anything IMO.

Rodgers is highly paid so maybe he can buck the trend of highly paid QB's winning a championship but he is an actual elite QB.

I agree with this man. I mean, I do not like Rodgers at all but I acknowledge the fact that he is one of the very best QBs in the NFL, in terms of talent and even though the Packers are still playing, I don't think they have a hope in hell to win it all. Their team is weak in a lot of different areas, talent wise. I love Russell Wilson and I believe he might be the best QB in the NFL right now but his team, his team is terrible and they are at home now. What do these guys have in common because both of these QBs, not all that long ago, had a roster around them that was loaded.

It's a mistake to follow this trend you see in the NFL where you pay next man up record deals, just because they are the next man up IMO.

 

[mattjames2010]

Right, but Dak is far from average man, your eye test lied to you.

He's an average starter. He's right alongside Derek Carr.

 

[CATCH17]

I agree with this man. I mean, I do not like Rodgers at all but I acknowledge the fact that he is one of the very best QBs in the NFL, in terms of talent and even though the Packers are still playing, I don't think they have a hope in hell to win it all. Their team is weak in a lot of different areas, talent wise. I love Russell Wilson and I believe he might be the best QB in the NFL right now but his team, his team is terrible and they are at home now. What do these guys have in common because both of these QBs, not all that long ago, had a roster around them that was loaded.

It's a mistake to follow this trend you see in the NFL where you pay next man up record deals, just because they are the next man up IMO.

Yep.. The contract is 100% my problem with Dak because I do think he’s a good player but he is not good enough to take up all that cap space. This past season should’ve proved that.