The Daklemma

[CouchCoach]

It is tough. I don't think they teach English anymore. It was this sentence:

Whether you are a Dakster or Dakater, I think most will agree, he is not a lifter, he needs talent on the field with him as we've seen when the RB1 was missing and there was no WR1.

See there Rocky, you said the same thing I said.

 

[CouchCoach]

My bad Couchcoach---- dont read what i said to the other chatter....how your kitty is drunk with legs wide open saying "come and get it boys"....tell Otis i really did him wrong...and i am sorry

He's very forgiving and doesn't hold a grudge. As long as he can hold the remote and a beer.

 

[Corso]

I have learned to divide the sentences out to save the responders the time when responding. They can just pick which part they don't like, just like Rocky demonstated but he used the wrong format. He should have deleted everything else and just said this is stupid and wrong. He didn't seem to have a problem witn the rest of it. And he made readers count and think 'what if this isn't all of it? What if he deleted the first paragraph and what I am reading is actually the 3rd paragraph and what if I don't agree with any of this? Why do I have to just pick a sentence to disagree with?' I think you will agree, this is a lot to think about.

You rock the @Redball Express format that he cornered ages ago here for the same reasons.
I savvy.

 

[Corso]

My bad Couchcoach---- dont read what i said to the other chatter....how your kitty is drunk with legs wide open saying "come and get it boys"....tell Otis i really did him wrong...and i am sorry

HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

 

[GORICO]

He's very forgiving and doesn't hold a grudge. As long as he can hold the remote and a beer.

Otis is a cat after my own heart...wait i have to ask my wife something...Honey hand me the remote and please get me another bud from the fridge...thank you dear

 

[CouchCoach]

You rock the @Redball Express format that he cornered ages ago here for the same reasons.
I savvy.

Some complain about that but he explained it one time a I get it. I actually like it and if I want to respond to just part of it, it's easy.

We used to get these posters, more on the old site, that wouldn't even make paragraphs and some refused to use punctuation. It was a game only you didn't win anything for figuring out the puzzle.

 

[Diehardblues]

Yea, if you want your post to be ignored, don’t paragraph or punctuate. Lol

 

[Corso]

Some complain about that but he explained it one time a I get it. I actually like it and if I want to respond to just part of it, it's easy.

We used to get these posters, more on the old site, that wouldn't even make paragraphs and some refused to use punctuation. It was a game only you didn't win anything for figuring out the puzzle.

Yeah. I remember several years ago I rebelled against @Redball Express way of posting and he explained it to me.
He's been family ever since and still is.

 

[Corso]

Yea, if you want your post to be ignored, don’t paragraph or punctuate. Lol

Not necessarily.
You can just be crap to read.

 

[Diehardblues]

Not necessarily.
You can just be crap to read.

That too

 

[GORICO]

I don't think MM has the flexibility of just starting over. Jerry isn't about to put off any chance at a potential run for any future gains. MM is better off to believe in his own ability to get the very most out of Prescott and make a run with him.

I think you'll see Dak signed. Amari signed. And I would bet you see a big name free agent or two. Future salary cap be damned. Jerry's going to fire a punt gun at this thing...this year. I think it's all or nothing for Jerry this late in his game.

Scotman---- i think i can agree with your reasoning...after watching 49ers come out of nowhere...4-12 to super bowl contenders....Jerry knows with our O line window is closing...and Jerry's age window is closing....i could see us say..the heck with it...we may be going into "cap-hell" but we are going to get top notch players for a couple of years and bring home the Lombardi...its all worth it when you win...i think MM is the right kind of coach to pull it together too

 

[GORICO]

Not a question of just liking him. I like him but at 33-35M and hamstringing this team with talent around him, I don't like him so much anymore.

That is the delimma, if I didn't like him, there would be no delimma, you are correct. It's not a question of liking him, it's how much do I like him. I like him a lot better at Cousins and Garoppolo money than Wilson and Rodgers money.

CouchCoach---- total agreement

 

[zeke21]

Why is everyone forgetting history... EVEN IF you are a Dak fan.. we drafted this dude in the 4th round (for a reason!!) and we plugged him into a legit team and he won the divisional title.. twice in four years.

Why are we soooo convinced that we couldn't do exactly the same thing with a first round QB?!! High rated QBs are making a splash in the NFL faster than ever before.. they are primed to run pro offences from day 1.

I think the Chiefs are a PERFECT template that we need to look at. They had Alex Smith and despite the howls of laughter.. that dude was a solid QB. He put up good numbers, won games.. would have kept KC in the hunt every season he was behind centre. They go out and get Mahomes and he takes them to the next level.

Dak is the Alex Smith in this example. Dak is 'good enough' but he isn't a Superbowl winning level QB.. he would need absolutely everything to be perfect around him and then some. This is not a guy that turns around a game in 9 minutes in the fourth quarter of the SB. He is NOT that guy.

If you want to pay him middle of the road money.. maybe ok.. but it is a no brainer to go out there and start trying to find our guy.. find our Wilson, our Mahomes, our Jackson etc etc.

Dak is not the guy. Full stop. End of Story.

 

[Diehardblues]

Scotman---- i think i can agree with your reasoning...after watching 49ers come out of nowhere...4-12 to super bowl contenders....Jerry knows with our O line window is closing...and Jerry's age window is closing....i could see us say..the heck with it...we may be going into "cap-hell" but we are going to get top notch players for a couple of years and bring home the Lombardi...its all worth it when you win...i think MM is the right kind of coach to pull it together too

49ers didn’t actually come out of nowhere. They had built a solid defense and were lacking a QB and why that was Shannahan first order of business.

SF last year was picked to be most improved team and contend for playoffs but Jimmy G season ending injury ended hopes with a 4-12 finish but it afforded them a high pick which landed Bosa strengthening an already stout defense.

Anyone paying attention knew 49ers could be a factor this year. Summarizing they came out of nowhere isn’t telling the whole story.

 

[Chuck 54]

Yes, I know, not another Dak thread but this one isn't about paying him or tagging him, it is all based one person's perspective, Big Mike. He has seen first hand what a high % of the cap to the QB can do and he had Tier 1 QB's.

Whether you are a Dakster or Dakater, I think most will agree, he is not a lifter, he needs talent on the field with him as we've seen when the RB1 was missing and there was no WR1.

So if you are this HC, with his experience with QB and salaries, where is the breaking point with Prescott as his QB1? What will paying a 2nd Tier QB 1st Tier money do to his ability to build around him and the D is building around him.

It's not lost on him what they're paying the OL and RB now and he's probably watched a lot of college QB's this past season doing some scouting and evaluating.

I do not doubt he likes Prescott but how much? Does he like him Rodgers, Ryan and Wilson money?

The market has a lot to do with this but if what they do the deal now that puts him in the top 3 now but barely in the top 10 in 2022 and he's not really a top 10 QB?

It is most certainly a dilemma with a QB that you know you need to put the pieces around him but his salary prevents that except for 1st contract players.

The HC's thinking on this is one perspective. Consider the Joneses. What have they said is their biggest regret during the Romo years? Putting the pieces around him.

The other dilemma is the effect of tagging the QB. New HC in his first year and QB maybe in his final. And the assignment is to be better than 2019, the expectations with this hire are as high as they could be from the FO.

And the ultimate dilemma, what's the message tagging sends to the QB, belief or doubt? This is not his first negotiation, the called the last one off with no deal. And the rest of the offense, how do they read a tagging?

No team in the NFL is facing the textbook "damned if you do and damned if you don't" like the Cowboys are this offseason.

I would only say, we don’t really know if Dak is a “lifter” or not. Name me one QB who lifted a team with no RB and no quality receivers in his first contract. People keep praising Mahomes, as they should, but he started his career with incredibly explosive WRs, the best TE in the game, and some pretty good RBs. Dak is in his fourth year, adjusting to the NFL after running a spread offense in college....a 4th round draft pick. I think he’s only reaching the stage of his career where we will find out if he’s a “lifter.”

By the way, even Russell Wilson, who is clearly a notch above Dak, didn’t have to lift his teammates while on his rookie contract, though he certainly did it this past season.

 

[Diehardblues]

I would only say, we don’t really know if Dak is a “lifter” or not. Name me one QB who lifted a team with no RB and no quality receivers in his first contract. People keep praising Mahomes, as they should, but he started his career with incredibly explosive WRs, the best TE in the game, and some pretty good RBs. Dak is in his fourth year, adjusting to the NFL after running a spread offense in college....a 4th round draft pick. I think he’s only reaching the stage of his career where we will find out if he’s a “lifter.”

By the way, even Russell Wilson, who is clearly a notch above Dak, didn’t have to lift his teammates while on his rookie contract, though he certainly did it this past season.

But Wilson went to 2 Super Bowls.

The question we need to ask is on Daks rookie contract we were able to surround him with quite a supporting cast . Probably the best window for reaching a Super Bowl.

How much more supporting cast does he need on offense with an All Pro OL, 2 time leagues leading rusher and WR1?

Most likely once we pay him the supporting cast goes down. We’ve already seen what he is without all of that All Pro OL, RB and WR.

 

[Rockport]

See there Rocky, you said the same thing I said.

I suppose I should’ve added I stopped reading after that sentence.

 

[America's Cowboy]

How many teams or QB’s have an All Pro OL, top 5 RB and WR?

Where was that All Pro Oline? Couldn't even open up holes consistently for our Top 5 and #1 paid RB. Where was our Top 5 WR? Please enlighten us all.

 

[willia451]

Fix the defense and ST. There are many options at QB that do not require cratering the franchise. WR as well.

 

[Corso]

Why is everyone forgetting history... EVEN IF you are a Dak fan.. we drafted this dude in the 4th round (for a reason!!) and we plugged him into a legit team and he won the divisional title.. twice in four years.

Why are we soooo convinced that we couldn't do exactly the same thing with a first round QB?!! High rated QBs are making a splash in the NFL faster than ever before.. they are primed to run pro offences from day 1.

I think the Chiefs are a PERFECT template that we need to look at. They had Alex Smith and despite the howls of laughter.. that dude was a solid QB. He put up good numbers, won games.. would have kept KC in the hunt every season he was behind centre. They go out and get Mahomes and he takes them to the next level.

Dak is the Alex Smith in this example. Dak is 'good enough' but he isn't a Superbowl winning level QB.. he would need absolutely everything to be perfect around him and then some. This is not a guy that turns around a game in 9 minutes in the fourth quarter of the SB. He is NOT that guy.

If you want to pay him middle of the road money.. maybe ok.. but it is a no brainer to go out there and start trying to find our guy.. find our Wilson, our Mahomes, our Jackson etc etc.

Dak is not the guy. Full stop. End of Story.

This team has zero clue how to draft a QB unless they have a top 2 pick.


Edit: And even then I doubt their brain trust.