Does the idea of drafting another quarterback in the first round entice you at all?

[Aviano90]

2 safety’s.
Defenses respecting the qb
Playing against base defenses between the 20’s instead of loaded box’s

Basically, making teams guess what we are gonna do every play cause they know they have to deal with zeke but they can’t afford to give up a cheap/quick score. Our defense will look a lot better too if our offense can be consistent. We got guys that can get after the qb. We need a couple run plugging d tackles so our pretty boy lb’s can play chase

Figured it would be loaded/stacked boxes. Of course Henry can demolish 8&9 man boxes he sees at a high clip, but put 7 in the box against Zeke and it’s too much.

I would say if Zeke would drop weight, regain his speed, and avoid contact instead of initiate it he would increase his efficiency. I would also call Henry to see if he can help Zeke in using the stiff arm. So if he can’t outrun an angle in the open field he may be able to shed the safety.

As it is now, we have on film a generational back with a future HoF offensive lineman in the open field against a 2nd round safety and the safety wins the battle holding Zeke to 12 yard gain. Sorry, I can’t buy into the QB excuse, but I know a lot of others will.

 

[Diehardblues]

Figured it would be loaded/stacked boxes. Of course Henry can demolish 8&9 man boxes he sees at a high clip, but put 7 in the box against Zeke and it’s too much.

I would say if Zeke would drop weight, regain his speed, and avoid contact instead of initiate it he would increase his efficiency. I would also call Henry to see if he can help Zeke in using the stiff arm. So if he can’t outrun an angle in the open field he may be able to shed the safety.

As it is now, we have on film a generational back with a future HoF offensive lineman in the open field against a 2nd round safety and the safety wins the battle holding Zeke to 12 yard gain. Sorry, I can’t buy into the QB excuse, but I know a lot of others will.

Opposing defenses are stacking the box against us because it works. If part of that is on Zeke then we have over hyped his talent as well.

Bottomline is our QB isn’t making teams pay for it. With your example with Henry , watch how Tannehill made defenses pay with his downfield throws.

In our 8 losses this year we only averaged 15 points a game. In 3 of those we didn’t even score a TD. How can we truly call ourselves a #1 offense when we can’t produce against better teams only running up the score against lesser opponents with 35 points a game.

Our offense consistently gets off to slow starts and wasn’t able to overcome a single deficit after being down 7 points or more all season.

 

[Diehardblues]

But yet we’re ready to reward these results with 40 million a year? For what? What are we wanting to hang on to so much?

Why has this QB captured the hearts so deeply of our fan base ? Is it still the Rookie year fascination ? Replacing Romo? What?

We missed the playoffs 2 of last 3 years .

What's it going to take for fans to hop off of this wagon? How many more frustrating seasons with all of this Elite talent around him on offense?

 

[Aviano90]

Opposing defenses are stacking the box against us because it works. If part of that is on Zeke then we have over hyped his talent as well.

Bottomline is our QB isn’t making teams pay for it. With your example with Henry , watch how Tannehill made defenses pay with his downfield throws.

In our 8 losses this year we only averaged 15 points a game. In 3 of those we didn’t even score a TD. How can we truly call ourselves a #1 offense when we can’t produce against better teams only running up the score against lesser opponents with 35 points a game.

Our offense consistently gets off to slow starts and wasn’t able to overcome a single deficit after being down 7 points or more all season.

Dak also made teams pay for it. It’s why they didn’t stack the box nearly as often as many people believe. The fact is we want to be a run first team since 2014 and that is what teams are going to try and stop. Defenses focus more attention to stopping Henry than they do Zeke. Henry still makes them pay, regardless of what Tannehill does. Tannehill is not forcing defenses to back off to defend the pass. Mariota didn’t either.

 

[LetsBeReal]

Figured it would be loaded/stacked boxes. Of course Henry can demolish 8&9 man boxes he sees at a high clip, but put 7 in the box against Zeke and it’s too much.

I would say if Zeke would drop weight, regain his speed, and avoid contact instead of initiate it he would increase his efficiency. I would also call Henry to see if he can help Zeke in using the stiff arm. So if he can’t outrun an angle in the open field he may be able to shed the safety.

As it is now, we have on film a generational back with a future HoF offensive lineman in the open field against a 2nd round safety and the safety wins the battle holding Zeke to 12 yard gain. Sorry, I can’t buy into the QB excuse, but I know a lot of others will.

I see no problems with zekes style. My only knock on zeke is he is good enough to keep dak employed for 4 seasons. Henry got a good qb this year, hopefully zeke gets one next year

 

[LetsBeReal]

Dak also made teams pay for it. It’s why they didn’t stack the box nearly as often as many people believe. The fact is we want to be a run first team since 2014 and that is what teams are going to try and stop. Defenses focus more attention to stopping Henry than they do Zeke. Henry still makes them pay, regardless of what Tannehill does. Tannehill is not forcing defenses to back off to defend the pass. Mariota didn’t either.

Dak also made teams pay for it. It’s why they didn’t stack the box nearly as often as many people believe. The fact is we want to be a run first team since 2014 and that is what teams are going to try and stop. Defenses focus more attention to stopping Henry than they do Zeke. Henry still makes them pay, regardless of what Tannehill does. Tannehill is not forcing defenses to back off to defend the pass. Mariota didn’t either.

the only times people don’t stack boxes against us with dak is when we spread them out. Then we get to the red zone and bog down.

 

[Aviano90]

the only times people don’t stack boxes against us with dak is when we spread them out. Then we get to the red zone and bog down.

I really don’t understand what you guys are watching but I guess this is a misconception that will continue despite data showing it makes no sense.

It’s like people were hell bent on claiming Romo’s offense would produce too many 3& outs causing the defense to get gassed and falter at the end of games despite objective data proving that incorrect.

They both sound really good so it gets repeated often, I guess.

 

[Diehardblues]

Dak also made teams pay for it. It’s why they didn’t stack the box nearly as often as many people believe. The fact is we want to be a run first team since 2014 and that is what teams are going to try and stop. Defenses focus more attention to stopping Henry than they do Zeke. Henry still makes them pay, regardless of what Tannehill does. Tannehill is not forcing defenses to back off to defend the pass. Mariota didn’t either.

This is first season Henry has been this dominating force. I’d credit better QB play keeping defenses honest.

Henry’s 4 seasons
2019- 1540 yards
2018- 1059 yards
2017 - 744 yards
2016 - 490 yards

 

[Idgit]

Nope. It would be stupid.

 

[Diehardblues]

I really don’t understand what you guys are watching but I guess this is a misconception that will continue despite data showing it makes no sense.

It’s like people were hell bent on claiming Romo’s offense would produce too many 3& outs causing the defense to get gassed and falter at the end of games despite objective data proving that incorrect.

They both sound really good so it gets repeated often, I guess.

I’m watching the games where defenses focus on shutting down Elliott because it stifles our offense.

We have a paltry record when Zeke is held below 75 yards. Like 2 or 3 -15. Something awful.

Plus it leaves our defense on the field too long. Dak is more effective in winning games when Zeke has more success and we dominate TOP. Opponents know this and what the effects are if they stifle our running game.

Opponents focus is stop Zeke and make Dak beat you. It’s a proven method of success for our better opponents.

 

[Aviano90]

This is first season Henry has been this dominating force. I’d credit better QB play keeping defenses honest.

Henry’s 4 seasons
2019- 1540 yards
2018- 1059 yards
2017 - 744 yards
2016 - 490 yards

But his defense wasn’t being kept honest. He has faced many more stacked boxes than Zeke has. Henry is just better at breaking and avoiding tackles and getting up to speed to run aways from defenders.

I keep on wondering when you guys will get off the stacked boxes and realize your average goes up with long runs which Zeke doesn’t have. Most home runs are hit against a stacked box. That’s because when you do get to the second level there are fewer defenders back there to prevent the long runs.

Zeke facing fewer stacked boxes actually decreases his opportunity for the long run, IMO. Then he hasn’t really taken advantage of the opportunities when he has had the chance.

 

[Typhus]

No. Not at all.

Taking a first round QB means this team will be inclined to run him out there. While the argument here at the Barco-lounger coaching hall of fame is clear people here do not believe in the talent this team has. Yet you hear over and over from some very influential past players and current and past coaches this team has the talent to win it all. The disappointment factor ends up causing this to be the sour grapes attitude we see here from fans.

So what this fandome is saying when they suggest a first round QB is to ignore the talent here and allow it to age as you get your new guy up to speed. How many years will that take?

I find that mindset the same as "I'll take my ball and go home if we don't do it my way."

This team is closer than the remote control head coaches, talent scouts, and GM's on this board think.

This jettison of the current team over a rookie unknown - and I will remind so many here also rail on the idea of a first round draft choice QB because he will coast too much before he gets acclimated - the idea of scuttling the team now for a "what if future" is the same stuff you all gripe about Jerry when he runs off emotions and not uses the talent acquisition staff who are experts to decide.

This horse has to be ridden, or break up the team.

And if it is break up the team, then why hire McCarthy? Garrett would have been just fine building a losing record for the sake of a QB pipe dream.

Just asking,,,, Do you know that McCarthy was brought in to keep this current roster, mainly Dak in place and move forward?
I find it odd, that everyone has their specific plan in place, but nobody is talking about the MM plan.
What authority, how much freedom has MM been given?
Is that part of the reason why Dak hasn't been signed yet?
We will know just how much authority MM has been given in a few short months, and I personally believe that its more than some are willing to admit at this time.
This draft will signal the fan base that is paying attention, truly which direction,, until then, truly speculation.

 

[Aviano90]

I’m watching the games where defenses focus on shutting down Elliott because it stifles our offense.

We have a paltry record when Zeke is held below 75 yards. Like 2 or 3 -15. Something awful.

Plus it leaves our defense on the field too long. Dak is more effective in winning games when Zeke has more success and we dominate TOP. Opponents know this and what the effects are if they stifle our running game.

Opponents focus is stop Zeke and make Dak beat you. It’s a proven method of success for our better opponents.

Compare our game against New England vs Tennessee’s game against New England. Why can’t Zeke do that? And just for the record, NE threw the kitchen sink at Henry and Tannehill sucked. While they didn’t give Zeke attention in the inclement weather, they put more effort into stopping Henry than they did Zeke.

 

[Diehardblues]

Compare our game against New England vs Tennessee’s game against New England. Why can’t Zeke do that? And just for the record, NE threw the kitchen sink at Henry and Tannehill sucked. While they didn’t give Zeke attention in the inclement weather, they out mire effort into stopping Henry than they did Zeke.

You’re sidestepping issues in our losing efforts. Those comparisons are senseless. Henry is a power runner. And Tannehill made a couple critical deep throws if I recall correctly. Didn’t NE have some costly turnovers too?I dont watch opponents games as closely as I do ours. Nor am I as familiar with their rosters or history.

Tell me why we struggle so much winning games when Zeke is shut down? Why isn’t Dak enough to carry us to victory against better opponents?

 

[BHendri5]

Why waste a 1st round pick like that, when we already have our QB1? There’s no QB in this draft better than Dak

 

[Aviano90]

You’re sidestepping issues in our losing efforts. Those comparisons are senseless. Henry is a power runner. And Tannehill made a couple critical deep throws if I recall correctly. I dont watch opponents games as closely as I do ours. Nor am I as familiar with their rosters or history.

Tell me why we struggle so much winning games when Zeke is shut down? Why isn’t Dak enough to carry us to victory against better opponents?

I am not side stepping any issue. I am just not buying into your high level excuses.

Maybe Dak isn’t good enough to carry the team without Zeke performing well.

Let’s flip it, is Zeke good enough to carry the team when Dak plays poorly, like Henry.

 

[Diehardblues]

I am not side stepping any issue. I am just not buying into your high level excuses.

I responded to your questions. You won’t address mine. That sounds like excuses to Me.

Tell me why we struggle so much winning games when Zeke is shut down? Why isn’t Dak enough to carry us to victory against better opponents?

 

[Aviano90]

I responded to your questions. You won’t address mine. That sounds like excuses to me.

Go back and look now.

 

[Diehardblues]

I am not side stepping any issue. I am just not buying into your high level excuses.

Maybe Dak isn’t good enough to carry the team without Zeke performing well.

Let’s flip it, is Zeke good enough to carry the team when Dak plays poorly, like Henry.

No, but they aren’t wanting to pay Tannehill 30- 40 million.

At least you admit Dak isn’t enough without Zekes success. Progress !!

And when Zeke has 100 yards or more our winning percentages is very high.

 

[Aviano90]

No, but they aren’t wanting to pay Tannehill 30- 40 million.

At least you admit Dak isn’t enough without Zekes success. Progress !!

This isn’t about pay, Gregg. It’s about how Dak apparently is holding Zeke back. You’ve simply changed the topic because your stacked box argument doesn’t really hold water.