Pollard and Eckler Tandem at RB

KJJ · Mar 9, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
What has the great Zeke Elliott done for this team while he has been here?

Zeke has led the league in rushing twice in his first four years and would have led the league in rushing in 2017 had it not been for a 6 game suspension. He’s had three 1300+ yard rushing seasons and over 1600 receiving yards, plus he’s a great blocker. He’s an all-around great back who’s scored 40 rushing TDs and 8 receiving TDs. What have the backup RBs done that you want to replace him with? You want to replace him with a committee of backups who only have 12 career TDs between them and neither have cracked 600 rushing yards in a season. Prior to drafting Zeke the Cowboys tried an RB by committee and it didn’t work. There’s a reason they invested the 4th overall pick on Zeke.

big dog cowboy · Mar 9, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
What has the great Zeke Elliott done for this team while he has been here?

If it weren't for that stupid and unjust suspension he got from Goodell, he would have lead the league in rushing his first 3 years as a Cowboy.

KJJ · Mar 9, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Cmon, you were one of several trolls over there that thought Quincy Carter was awesome. LOL

You’re wrong and I told you there’s some posters from the old board that post here who could back me up. :thumbup:

stiletto said:
I was there. You weren't one of the QC17 homers.. Those people are long gone...

DHCBF66 · Mar 9, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
I would take that tandem all day long. Eckler just signed a 4 years deal at about 5 million per year. Him and pollard would be an incredible duo not costing us more than 6 million. Free up another 9 million from the RB position.

problem being....he just signed a 4 year deal with the Chargers sooooo.....wont happen!

OmerV · Mar 10, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
I know. Never said anything about release.

You also never said anything about trading Zeke, so, what would you do with him?

CowboyRoy · Mar 10, 2020

KJJ said:
Zeke has led the league in rushing twice in his first four years and would have led the league in rushing in 2017 had it not been for a 6 game suspension. He’s had three 1300+ yard rushing seasons and over 1600 receiving yards, plus he’s a great blocker. He’s an all-around great back who’s scored 40 rushing TDs and 8 receiving TDs. What have the backup RBs done that you want to replace him with? You want to replace him with a committee of backups who only have 12 career TDs between them and neither have cracked 600 rushing yards in a season. Prior to drafting Zeke the Cowboys tried an RB by committee and it didn’t work. There’s a reason they invested the 4th overall pick on Zeke.

Led the league in rushing? Wow that is amazing. What he has done is lead the league in carries, which typically leads to the most rushing yards.

But to the point...……….what has the team done that is so great under the great Zeke Idiot? He single handily ruined a season in 2017 by getting suspended. Contributed to last years demise by holding out and was almost non existent the first half of season from his Cabo hangover.

Investing a 4th pick in the RB position is foolish. And certainly Zeke or his production has NOT justified that.

Zeke benefits from a very good Oline like any other RB would.

Murray did the same thing. OR did you forget about Murray? Murray set the single season Cowboys rushing record at over 1800 yards rushing. The great Zeke hasn't sniffed that.

Given equal receptions and carries in THIS offense that Zeke had in the #1 offense in the NFL...……….Pollard and Ekeler would either come close or surpass Zeke in total yards and TD's. No question about it in my opinion.

And for 9 million dollars less.

CowboyRoy · Mar 10, 2020

DHCBF66 said:
problem being....he just signed a 4 year deal with the Chargers sooooo.....wont happen!

It happening wasn't the point. Its a perfect example of why we never should have paid Zeke the worst contract in Cowboys history.

CowboyRoy · Mar 10, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
If it weren't for that stupid and unjust suspension he got from Goodell, he would have lead the league in rushing his first 3 years as a Cowboy.

If? And how do you know they were unjust? The guy is a drunken women beater. Saw evidence of that on the footage where he pushed over the security guard.

And what did Zeke leading the NFL do for the Cowboys? NADA!!!

And since when do people even care about the rushing title anymore? Its a "who leads the NFL in carries race" and nothing more. Only about 3 or 4 backs that even get the carries Zeke does. Its a sham now.

Total yards is a better indicator if you HAVE to judge by that route. And with all those touches, you would think the great Zeke would lead the NFL in TD's. Which he never has.

CowboyRoy · Mar 10, 2020

KJJ said:
You’re wrong and I told you there’s some posters from the old board that post here who could back me up.

There was ONE Poster. LOL

And I don't think he even remembers who they all were. He thought there was only one in QC17. But that's fine...…….I will accept your answer that you weren't. You know I wasn't.

CowboyRoy · Mar 10, 2020

OmerV said:
You also never said anything about trading Zeke, so, what would you do with him?

Cant do anything now. Have to wait. I would trade him the first chance I got. But who would trade for Zeke in two or 3 years when he is getting paid 15 million and is over the hill. He will be fully exposed by then anyway.

KJJ · Mar 10, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Led the league in rushing? Wow that is amazing. What he has done is lead the league in carries, which typically leads to the most rushing yards.

He’s led the league in carries because he’s vital to our offense and we lean on him. We all saw what the team looked like when he was suspended for six games in 2017. Did you forget about that? We were playing solid football until he was suspended and ended up falling apart with him out of the lineup. Dak began to struggle without him. You’re asking what has he done to help the team and the same can be asked about Dak, Amari and the rest of the players we have. What have they done to help the team? Do you want to move on from all of them? Do you not want to pay Dak and Amari?

If you don’t think Zeke has done anything to help the team, then you can’t possibly think they’ve done anything to help the team. If you’re basing everything on what the Cowboys have done the past 4 seasons, then you might as well get rid of all our key high prices players and go with cheaper options. If you don’t feel good about Zeke and would like to replace him with a couple of backup RBs then how do you feel about Dak and Amari?

KJJ · Mar 10, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
There was ONE Poster. LOL

And I don't think he even remembers who they all were. He thought there was only one in QC17. But that's fine...…….I will accept your answer that you weren't. You know I wasn't.

You accused me of being a QC homer. I told you there were posters from the old board here that would tell you I wasn’t and one showed up and said I wasn’t. He didn’t support your claim he supported mine.

CowboyRoy · Mar 10, 2020

KJJ said:
He’s led the league in carries because he’s vital to our offense and we lean on him. We all saw what the team looked like when he was suspended for six games in 2017. Did you forget about that? We were playing solid football until he was suspended and ended up falling apart with him out of the lineup. Dak began to struggle without him. You’re asking what has he done to help the team and the same can be asked about Dak, Amari and the rest of the players we have. What have they done to help the team? Do you want to move on from all of them? Do you not want to pay Dak and Amari?

If you don’t think Zeke has done anything to help the team, then you can’t possibly think they’ve done anything to help the team. If you’re basing everything on what the Cowboys have done the past 4 seasons, then you might as well get rid of all our key high prices players and go with cheaper options. If you don’t feel good about Zeke and would like to replace him with a couple of backup RBs then how do you feel about Dak and Amari?

Zeke can definitely carry the load, but a RB by committee with quality backs can get the job done as well at a fraction of the price.

And I would never go by 2017 to say what they can do without Zeke. Its clear that Dak and the passing game are becoming the strength of this team. They have carried the team on plenty of occasions when Zeke didn't show up.

What has Dak done? Well he is a QB for one and you pay the quality QB's. RB's you don't bother. Not Zeke money. WR is more along the lines of the RB. But given the choice, I would take Cooper over Zeke.

KJJ · Mar 10, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Zeke can definitely carry the load, but a RB by committee with quality backs can get the job done as well at a fraction of the price.

And I would never go by 2017 to say what they can do without Zeke. Its clear that Dak and the passing game are becoming the strength of this team. They have carried the team on plenty of occasions when Zeke didn't show up.

What has Dak done? Well he is a QB for one and you pay the quality QB's. RB's you don't bother. Not Zeke money. WR is more along the lines of the RB. But given the choice, I would take Cooper over Zeke.

The RB by committee hasn’t worked which is why we drafted Zeke. The Cowboys have never won a championship with an RB by committee, they’ve won by having a great lead back who can take pressure off their QB. You need a game changer at the position and Dak has not had success without Zeke. You need a back who can get the tough yards by pushing the pile 3 to 4 yards and move the chains. You need a back you can lean on. We found out last season that we’re not going to win consistently by airing it out all day. Romo put up almost the exact same passing yards in 2012 that Dak had last season and we ended up with the same record as last season 8-8. We need balance and we need a great lead back who can carry the load. Zeke not only moves the chains but he put points on the board. You’ve always been one who goes against logic.

OmerV · Mar 10, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Cant do anything now. Have to wait. I would trade him the first chance I got. But who would trade for Zeke in two or 3 years when he is getting paid 15 million and is over the hill. He will be fully exposed by then anyway.

I guess I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about using Pollard and Eckler now and saving on not having to pay Zeke.

Proof · Mar 10, 2020

KJJ said:
The RB by committee hasn’t worked which is why we drafted Zeke. The Cowboys have never won a championship with an RB by committee, they’ve won by having a great lead back who can take pressure off their QB. You need a game changer at the position and Dak has not had success without Zeke. You need a back who can get the tough yards by pushing the pile 3 to 4 yards and move the chains. You need a back you can lean on. We found out last season that we’re not going to win consistently by airing it out all day. Romo put up almost the exact same passing yards in 2012 that Dak had last season and we ended up with the same record as last season 8-8. We need balance and we need a great lead back who can carry the load. Zeke not only moves the chains but he put points on the board. You’ve always been one who goes against logic.

ehh... i mean they tried the panty thief, mcfadden and alfred morris. don't think that's a very good reference point honestly. running backs by committee are having a resurgence around the league with a lot of success. we have a great line, and a quality OC. I think with the right pieces it could definitely work out well. certainly wouldn't be telegraphing our intentions every time lol

Aviano90 · Mar 10, 2020

KJJ said:
He’s led the league in carries because he’s vital to our offense and we lean on him. We all saw what the team looked like when he was suspended for six games in 2017. Did you forget about that? We were playing solid football until he was suspended and ended up falling apart with him out of the lineup. Dak began to struggle without him. You’re asking what has he done to help the team and the same can be asked about Dak, Amari and the rest of the players we have. What have they done to help the team? Do you want to move on from all of them? Do you not want to pay Dak and Amari?

If you don’t think Zeke has done anything to help the team, then you can’t possibly think they’ve done anything to help the team. If you’re basing everything on what the Cowboys have done the past 4 seasons, then you might as well get rid of all our key high prices players and go with cheaper options. If you don’t feel good about Zeke and would like to replace him with a couple of backup RBs then how do you feel about Dak and Amari?

What impact do you think Tyron Smith's absence had on the 2017 season considering we were bad when he was out and improved when he returned? What improvement did you see when Zeke returned in weeks 16 & 17?

KJJ · Mar 10, 2020

Proof said:
ehh... i mean they tried the panty thief, mcfadden and alfred morris. don't think that's a very good reference point honestly. running backs by committee are having a resurgence around the league with a lot of success. we have a great line, and a quality OC. I think with the right pieces it could definitely work out well. certainly wouldn't be telegraphing our intentions every time lol

RB by committee and WR by committee has never worked in Dallas. You need that one player you can lean on that defenses fear and have to respect. They need to be a game changer that has to be accounted for.

Proof · Mar 10, 2020

KJJ said:
RB by committee and WR by committee has never worked in Dallas. You need that one player you can lean on that defenses fear and have to respect. They need to be a game changer that has to be accounted for.

historically sure. I just don't think because it hasn't worked due to poor implementation that it wouldn't/couldn't work. Trying to replicate past successes has honoestly hamstrung us along the way i feel

OmerV · Mar 10, 2020

KJJ said:
RB by committee and WR by committee has never worked in Dallas. You need that one player you can lean on that defenses fear and have to respect. They need to be a game changer that has to be accounted for.

Duane Thomas, Walt Garrison and Calvin Hill worked pretty well ….

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