News: Dallas Cowboys have unprecedented depth in the trenches

Stash · May 13, 2020

Sydla said:
Griffen had 4 QB hits that game, credited with .5 sack, 1.5 TFL.

He gave Smith all he could handle that game.

Thanks for handling my 'light work'.
:laugh:

Sydla · May 13, 2020

Starforever said:
Ok, you addressed on position on the DLine, what about the rest?

They are deeper at DT than they have been. DE is a question mark. Overall, I reject the notion that they are dripping with unprecedented depth along the DL.

What more do I need to say?

Starforever · May 13, 2020

Sydla said:
They are deeper at DT than they have been. DE is a question mark. Overall, I reject the notion that they are dripping with unprecedented depth along the DL.

What more do I need to say?

You only mentioned RDE, in your OP. I think they have good depth, and will probably add one more player.

Big_D · May 13, 2020

Sydla said:
When you have the opportunity to fill a hole, why not take it? This notion that you can't fill every hole is just preposterous. When an opportunity is there and you have the cap space to do it, saying, well, you can't fill every hole is kind of silly.

What’s silly is it’s the middle of may and you can’t even practice while having just paid out a boatload in other areas including the impending QB contract and the other DE. Plus the D flat out sucked. But apparently they lost a few hall of famers? lol There’s a new coach and a new plan. Which likely doesn’t include paying top dollar at every position!

Sydla · May 13, 2020

Starforever said:
You only mentioned RDE, in your OP. I think they have good depth, and will probably add one more player.

I focused on RDE but laid out the entire DE depth chart earlier in this thread. But even in looking at RDE, the fact we don't have a legitimate starting RDE doesn't speak well for "depth" at DE.

They have taken the approach that a bunch of bodies/DE by committee, will suffice it seems. That's the same logic that went into building the WR position in 2018. That a bunch of guys would be better than one proven starter.

Sydla · May 13, 2020

Big_D said:
What’s silly is it’s the middle of may and you can’t even practice while having just paid out a boatload in other areas including the impending QB contract and the other DE. Plus the D flat out sucked. But apparently they lost a few hall of famers? lol There’s a new coach and a new plan. Which likely doesn’t include paying top dollar at every position!

What?

Let's start with the last sentence. Point out where anyone in this thread said we need to pay top dollar for that position? In fact, most have said the exact opposite................. that there are options out there to get better at DE that won't cost you much at this point. Griffen likely would be a short term deal and not for a ton of money and he'd immediately be the best RDE on the roster.

What does paying Dak have to do with anything? We have the cap space to bring in a guy like Griffen or Golden or Bennett to sure up the DE spot.

Stash · May 13, 2020

Big_D said:
What’s silly is it’s the middle of may and you can’t even practice while having just paid out a boatload in other areas including the impending QB contract and the other DE. Plus the D flat out sucked. But apparently they lost a few hall of famers? lol There’s a new coach and a new plan. Which likely doesn’t include paying top dollar at every position!

Nobody said 'top dollar'. Do you have to resort to a strawman argument?

Stash · May 13, 2020

Sydla said:
I focused on RDE but laid out the entire DE depth chart earlier in this thread. But even in looking at RDE, the fact we don't have a legitimate starting RDE doesn't speak well for "depth" at DE.

They have taken the approach that a bunch of bodies/DE by committee, will suffice it seems. That's the same logic that went into building the WR position in 2018. That a bunch of guys would be better than one proven starter.

It's clear that some fans don't like the fact of someone pointing out the team's obvious question mark at the RDE spot. Some even take it personally.

That's a shame.

Sydla · May 13, 2020

stasheroo said:
It's clear that some fans don't like the fact of someone pointing out the team's obvious question mark at the RDE spot. Some even take it personally.

That's a shame.

It's funny actually. The best ones are the ones that claim Crawford can hold down the RDE spot.

I just can't..................

Stash · May 13, 2020

Sydla said:
It's funny actually. The best ones are the ones that claim Crawford can hold down the RDE spot.

I just can't..................

I can't blame them entirely, when they continue to get off base, misinformation as with David Helman's recent work on Crawford.

But watch the games man!
:facepalm:

I'm a noted critic, but at least I've done the homework and know what I'm talking about. I know that Crawford doesn't get his sacks from the RDE position. Why is it that nobody else does and they just look at the numbers from Pro Football Reference? Helman is writing stuff that's not even factually accurate.

Sydla · May 13, 2020

What did Helman say?

MyFairLady · May 13, 2020

The O line is pretty good mainly because we pump all our resources into it. To suggest the D line has good depth is laughable. Lawrence is a solid player. McCoy and Poe are aging stop gaps and we look at them as sure fire starters. Gregory and Smith are classic cowboy roster spots. No production required. Crawford is washed and overpaid. After that it only gets worse. Come on people open your eyes. There are reasons we fall short year after year.

CCBoy · May 13, 2020

Joe Thomas thinks Jadeveon Clowney will end up with the Cowboys
Players are often linked to the Cowboys considering the power of America’s Team and considering that we are literally in the middle of free agency season it should not be shocking to see this be the case. Still though, all rumors are worth paying attention to.

Former Cleveland Browns offensive lineman Joe Thomas now makes his way as an analyst for NFL Network and on Tuesday he said something very interesting. He believes Jadeveon Clowney will end up with the Dallas Cowboys.

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/202...ld-dallas-land-defensive-end-jadeveon-clowney

Big_D · May 13, 2020

Sydla said:
What?

Let's start with the last sentence. Point out where anyone in this thread said we need to pay top dollar for that position? In fact, most have said the exact opposite................. that there are options out there to get better at DE that won't cost you much at this point. Griffen likely would be a short term deal and not for a ton of money and he'd immediately be the best RDE on the roster.

What does paying Dak have to do with anything? We have the cap space to bring in a guy like Griffen or Golden or Bennett to sure up the DE spot.

You have to evaluate what you have, find and develop players who can produce cheaper. Have a long term plan. Not fill every supposed hole in free agency. It’s one step forward, 2 back. Golden won’t be cheap! And neither will the other 2. You’re still overpaying no matter how you slice it. The goal here should be assembling a better roster over the next few seasons. Not clamoring for every FA available or pretending this team is a Griffin, Bennett, Golden signing away from a Super Bowl. There’s a lot of holes here and a lot of work to be done.. and all will be addressed in a realistic time frame! Team never won a dam thing, now this one isn’t doing enough to keep up? lol

Stash · May 13, 2020

Sydla said:
What did Helman say?

You should have replied to me so I noticed this earlier.

First, he said this:

"Crawford wound up appearing in just for games last season – the first two, and then the losses to Green Bay and the New York Jets after a two-week break. He managed a sack in the season opener, but he finished the season with just three tackles."

This is false. Crawford's lone sack for the season came in week two vs the Commanders.

He then goes on to say this:

"He has found some success since the Cowboys moved him out to defensive end during the 2016 season. In 2018, he finished with 34 tackles, 5.5 sacks and 12 quarterback hits, primarily from the right end position."

This is a false representation of the statistics. If he wants to mention Crawford's sacks and hits, he needs to also mention where they actually came from, he says 'primarily the right end position' which is also false. The sacks came when Crawford lined up inside, with most being the result of stunts that freed him up to be unblocked.

And this is why the Cowboys media people continue to talk about Crawford being an option at RDE, because they themselves don't even know the facts.

Stash · May 13, 2020

MyFairLady said:
The O line is pretty good mainly because we pump all our resources into it. To suggest the D line has good depth is laughable. Lawrence is a solid player. McCoy and Poe are aging stop gaps and we look at them as sure fire starters. Gregory and Smith are classic cowboy roster spots. No production required. Crawford is washed and overpaid. After that it only gets worse. Come on people open your eyes. There are reasons we fall short year after year.

Not coincidentally, defensive line is where we have missed the most with draft and free agent resources invested. Directly tied to Rod Marinelli being given free reign by default.

We've had free agent signings like Cedric Thornton and Stephen Paea and draft busts like Taco Charlton and 2019's top draft asset used on Trysten Hill, to date a bust until he shows anything otherwise.

This is Marinelli's legacy in Dallas.

Stash · May 13, 2020

Big_D said:
You have to evaluate what you have, find and develop players who can produce cheaper. Have a long term plan. Not fill every supposed hole in free agency. It’s one step forward, 2 back. Golden won’t be cheap! And neither will the other 2. You’re still overpaying no matter how you slice it. The goal here should be assembling a better roster over the next few seasons. Not clamoring for every FA available or pretending this team is a Griffin, Bennett, Golden signing away from a Super Bowl. There’s a lot of holes here and a lot of work to be done.. and all will be addressed in a realistic time frame! Team never won a dam thing, now this one isn’t doing enough to keep up? lol

Poor effort.

johneric8 · May 13, 2020

Sydla said:
Here's an explanation.

You have one proven player in Lawrence. Here's the rest:

- Crawford is not a good DE. He's a DT trying to play DE and is likely better suited for LDE if he's a DE at all. We are going to try him at RDE it appears.

- Smith. Hasn't played football since Nov of 2015. People keep assuming he's going to somehow come in and just pick up where he left off.

- Gregory. Hasn't played football in over a year.

- Armstrong. Shown himself to be a decent backup player, which we can use. But that's it.

- Jelks/Jackson. Two practice squad guys that didn't show much last year.

- Anae. A 5th round rookie. Thinking he's going to come in and make an impact is probably optimistic. I like the pick but he should be viewed as a project and long term prospect.

That's DE. That's it. I know it hurts some of you guys to have to face reality but DE right now is not a strength. It's not deep. It's basically been put together with bandaids with the hope they will get lucky. It's kind of the same approach they used at WR in 2018 and that failed.

I think they should bring in Griffen, personally. He won't cost as much as Clowney, won't be overly expensive, probably would be a short term deal, and could slide into the RDE spot immediately.

Once again, another poster that is still living in fear because of the environment that the freckled puppet created! You do realize we don't need pro bowlers at every position to win right? We have a stable of competent guys to play opposite of dlaw. I think we should be more worried that the coaching changes will know what to do with our plauers or how to put them in the position to win!

Big Mike needs at least a full season to get things sorted out.

Sydla · May 13, 2020

Big_D said:
You have to evaluate what you have, find and develop players who can produce cheaper. Have a long term plan. Not fill every supposed hole in free agency. It’s one step forward, 2 back. Golden won’t be cheap! And neither will the other 2. You’re still overpaying no matter how you slice it. The goal here should be assembling a better roster over the next few seasons. Not clamoring for every FA available or pretending this team is a Griffin, Bennett, Golden signing away from a Super Bowl. There’s a lot of holes here and a lot of work to be done.. and all will be addressed in a realistic time frame! Team never won a dam thing, now this one isn’t doing enough to keep up? lol

This is just more of the same excuse making from fans that always defend what this front office does, even after failure after failure.

You have a clear hole at RDE. The draft is over and you didn't add anyone of note at DE. So explain to me why signing a guy like Griffen or Golden, on what would likely be a one year deal is somehow detrimental to the team for 2020? Signing Griffen gives you a better player for this season, when you have a team that is pretty good and can win some games and it also doesn't tie you long term to him......... meaning, next offseason, you can dabble in FA again or focus on DE in the draft.

You aren't making much sense because you are tacking on things like long term obligations and large money to a situation that would require neither.

Sydla · May 13, 2020

johneric8 said:
Once again, another poster that is still living in fear because of the environment that the freckled puppet created! You do realize we don't need pro bowlers at every position to win right? We have a stable of competent guys to play opposite of dlaw. I think we should be more worried that the coaching changes will know what to do with our plauers or how to put them in the position to win!

Big Mike needs at least a full season to get things sorted out.

It has nothing to do with Garrett.

It's simply not being a roster homer and realizing that this is a pretty good team that has a clear hole at RDE and there are a couple of options out there in FA that can sure up that position. Here's a crazy thought......... how about we aspire for something better at the DE spot opposite Lawrence than just "competent".

Why are some of you so afraid to improve this team?

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