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Yes teams want to have as good of a defense as they can, BUT the most successful teams are successful because they have depth in case of injury and for rotating players keeping players fresher in the 4th quarter. Next, Gallup is the #2 receiver. Lamb is penciled in as the slot receiver replacing Cobb. Next weakening a team in one area to make it stronger in another is just making one area weaker. Lastly, sportswriters SPECULATE on anything they can think up in their heads all off season, yet there are fans that gobble it up like it's written in stone. Fans do that because they agree with that SPECULATION for whatever reasons they have, but all it is, is UNFOUNDED SPECULATION. One last thing, the Cowboys of the 90's, one of the big reasons they won 3 Super Bowls is because they had great depth at just about every position which allowed them to freely rotate players without any drop off in play having the starters fresher in the 4th quarter. People that jump on those speculated ideas and act like the NFL is like fantasy football don't get the whole idea of depth.
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I liked your post, but would disagree that Lamb is penciled in as the slot receiver replacing Cobb, we will see how that unfolds and translates.
Cooper is a beast in the slot, and I wouldn't be surprised at all with Lamb getting a serious look as the X WR in 11 personnel.
 
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First off, NOBODY knows for sure, especially nobody here, what the 2022 cap is going to be. That isn't determined until the previous league year is over because league income from that previous season goes into the calculation for the next years cap. Second I didn't hear that the Cowboys have designated you has the person who determines who will and won't be resigned. Lastly I know that sportswriters that spend the entire off season SPECULATING on any idea that pops into their head do not speak for the Cowboys nor are involved with ANY of their decisions. But there is the same percentage of fans for whatever reasons they have just gobble up all this speculation and believe it like it is written in stone.
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Don't behind generalised comments, try being specific.

1) The estimated Cowboys CAP availability as per OVERTHECAP (and including annual increases) =

2020 = $11m
2021= $36m (No QB)
2022= $54m (No QB)
2023= $84m …...interestingly we have the lowest CAP availability of any team in 2023

2) By all means add the previous years unspent money, but that only gives you south of $10m.

3) Financially we cant spend so much of our resources on OFFENCE and WR in particular and pay DEFENCE on a shoestring. Before 2022 season it will be Coops or Gallup.

THIS IS THE WHOLE BASIS FOR MY PAY DAK OVER 5 YEARS (NOT 4)…..FLEXIBILITY
 
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gjkoeppen said:
Yes teams want to have as good of a defense as they can, BUT the most successful teams are successful because they have depth in case of injury and for rotating players keeping players fresher in the 4th quarter. Next, Gallup is the #2 receiver. Lamb is penciled in as the slot receiver replacing Cobb. Next weakening a team in one area to make it stronger in another is just making one area weaker. Lastly, sportswriters SPECULATE on anything they can think up in their heads all off season, yet there are fans that gobble it up like it's written in stone. Fans do that because they agree with that SPECULATION for whatever reasons they have, but all it is, is UNFOUNDED SPECULATION. One last thing, the Cowboys of the 90's, one of the big reasons they won 3 Super Bowls is because they had great depth at just about every position which allowed them to freely rotate players without any drop off in play having the starters fresher in the 4th quarter. People that jump on those speculated ideas and act like the NFL is like fantasy football don't get the whole idea of depth.
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Are you deliberately ignoring DEFENCE or hoping it goes away.

You can have the greatest WR core of all time but:
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1) Need a QB to get them the ball.
2) An OL that protects him, giving him time to get the ball away.
3) You need a DEFENCE that's able to stop the opposition.

Its a team game and first consideration is to look at all primary weaknesses BEFORE looking at DEPTH.
 
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Typhus said:
I liked your post, but would disagree that Lamb is penciled in as the slot receiver replacing Cobb, we will see how that unfolds and translates.
Cooper is a beast in the slot, and I wouldn't be surprised at all with Lamb getting a serious look as the X WR in 11 personnel.
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I based that on what was said when he was drafted when Cobb's name was mentioned as leaving and the need to draft Lamb. Of course we'll have to wait and see what unfolds. Also 99% of the times Cooper has lined up in the NFL it's been as a WR not the slot. He's lined up in the slot on very few plays and only to get all of the match ups they were looking for on those plays.
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CowboyoWales said:
Are you deliberately ignoring DEFENCE or hoping it goes away.

You can have the greatest WR core of all time but:
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1) Need a QB to get them the ball.
2) An OL that protects him, giving him time to get the ball away.
3) You need a DEFENCE that's able to stop the opposition.

Its a team game and first consideration is to look at all primary weaknesses BEFORE looking at DEPTH.
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You do have blinders on. Nobody, including me, has said that a team, the Cowboys, don't want a good defense. All I've said is smart teams once they get some depth at a position don't start trading it away on a player that's not the one player that's going to push them over the hump and get them to the Super Bowl. It is more than obvious that you don't understand the need for depth and why teams try so hard to build their depth. Smart teams, coaches know that every team get injuries and need to be able to do rotations with as little drop in play as possible. This should finally shut you up on this that Jones has already said the Cowboys are not interest in trading for Adams so to continue with your wishes over what Jones has said is not going to happen is just more foolishness.
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CowboyoWales said:
Don't behind generalised comments, try being specific.

1) The estimated Cowboys CAP availability as per OVERTHECAP (and including annual increases) =

2020 = $11m
2021= $36m (No QB)
2022= $54m (No QB)
2023= $84m …...interestingly we have the lowest CAP availability of any team in 2023

2) By all means add the previous years unspent money, but that only gives you south of $10m.

3) Financially we cant spend so much of our resources on OFFENCE and WR in particular and pay DEFENCE on a shoestring. Before 2022 season it will be Coops or Gallup.

THIS IS THE WHOLE BASIS FOR MY PAY DAK OVER 5 YEARS (NOT 4)…..FLEXIBILITY
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What you are calling facts from any of the websites that list caps are nothing more than guesstimates because until the PREVIOUS season's full accounting is done after the end of the league year they don't know what the actual real cap will be. That is why the caps for each season are announce just before free agency starts and not years in advance.
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gjkoeppen said:
You do have blinders on. Nobody, including me, has said that a team, the Cowboys, don't want a good defense. All I've said is smart teams once they get some depth at a position don't start trading it away on a player that's not the one player that's going to push them over the hump and get them to the Super Bowl. It is more than obvious that you don't understand the need for depth and why teams try so hard to build their depth. Smart teams, coaches know that every team get injuries and need to be able to do rotations with as little drop in play as possible. This should finally shut you up on this that Jones has already said the Cowboys are not interest in trading for Adams so to continue with your wishes over what Jones has said is not going to happen is just more foolishness.
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You still ignore the question of DEFENCE.

Its a balance that owners have to take when constructing a roster.

Improve depth or weaknesses.

I say that for us at this moment DEFENCE (particularly in the secondary), is a bigger need than a WR3.
 
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You do have blinders on. Nobody, including me, has said that a team, the Cowboys, don't want a good defense. All I've said is smart teams once they get some depth at a position don't start trading it away on a player that's not the one player that's going to push them over the hump and get them to the Super Bowl. It is more than obvious that you don't understand the need for depth and why teams try so hard to build their depth. Smart teams, coaches know that every team get injuries and need to be able to do rotations with as little drop in play as possible. This should finally shut you up on this that Jones has already said the Cowboys are not interest in trading for Adams so to continue with your wishes over what Jones has said is not going to happen is just more foolishness.
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You mention Depth, Injuries and ability to rotate.

Look at our Linebacker/DE situation for the 2021 season:

Certainties
DeMarcus Lawrence
Jaylon Smith

Hopeful - but far from Certainties
LVE - Injuries.
Bradlee Anae

Gone
Sean Lee - Retired
Aldon Smith - released or FA
Tyrone Crawford - FA
Randy Gregory - FA

With CAP availability of $36m - No QB, No Safeties.

Id like to hear how you manage it......btw 2022 is nearly as bad so restructuring contracts is highly unlikely
 
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I based that on what was said when he was drafted when Cobb's name was mentioned as leaving and the need to draft Lamb. Of course we'll have to wait and see what unfolds. Also 99% of the times Cooper has lined up in the NFL it's been as a WR not the slot. He's lined up in the slot on very few plays and only to get all of the match ups they were looking for on those plays.
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The slot position is undergoing a transformation within the NFL. No longer are they exclusively the smaller, shifty possession-type receivers. Those players still have value, but many teams have realized the kind of damage other types of players can do from the slot. CowboysWire’s own K.D. Drummond broke down the trend last month, while identifying candidates to replace Dallas’s own longtime slot man in Cole Beasley:

“There’s a growing trend around the league to allow larger receivers to man the slot, as long as they have the necessary sudden movement to befuddle defenders. By nature, the slot position allows every receiver a better start to their route, as they have an added two-yard buffer so they are more difficult to jam. Also, they have far more options for their routes, as they are able to go in either direction off the line.”

Several teams now base their receiving attack around players who work out of the slot, either by design or necessity.
WR Adam Thielen, who stands 6-foot-2 and weighs 200 pounds, made the Pro Bowl last season while setting new career-highs in receiving yards (1,373) and touchdowns (9). Thielen ran a receiving route from the slot position on 57% of his offensive snaps last season (as per Pro Football Focus), which generated 68 receptions, 712 yards, and seven touchdowns. At 28-years-old, the late-blooming Theilen has emerged as the Vikings top wideout, and was able to parlay his efforts into a four-year, $64 million extension.

By contrast, Cooper lined up in the slot just 16% of his time in Dallas. Of the 65 snaps total offensive snaps he took from the slot, Cooper was targeted as a receiver just 14 times. For comparison, Smith-Schuster and Thielen received 92 and 86 slot targets respectively last season. An extremely well-rounded receiver, Cooper does possess the necessary skills for the slot, and even initially found success there early in his career as a Raider.

And despite the small-sample, Cooper’s numbers from the slot last season say he should see more time there. As a slot receiver, Cooper cashed in his 14 targets for 11 receptions, 203 yards, and two TDs. His yards-per-route run (Y/RR) from the slot last season, a metric which reflects a receiver’s efficiency, was an extremely healthy 3.12 in 2018.

The two games in which Cooper recorded the most snaps from the slot were in Week 14, during his three TD, 217-yard torching of the Eagles (22), and the divisional playoff game against the Rams (16). The 29-yard TD he scored in that game’s first quarter occurred when Cooper was lined up in the slot.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/24/dallas-cowboys-amari-cooper-slot-reps-snap-analysis/
 
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Not this season but next offseason I'm 100% taking calls on Gallup. Can't invest too much in one position group. I take a day 2 wr next year and try to flip gallup for a good young defensive piece.
 
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CowboyoWales said:
You mention Depth, Injuries and ability to rotate.

Look at our Linebacker/DE situation for the 2021 season:

Certainties
DeMarcus Lawrence
Jaylon Smith

Hopeful - but far from Certainties
LVE - Injuries.
Bradlee Anae

Gone
Sean Lee - Retired
Aldon Smith - released or FA
Tyrone Crawford - FA
Randy Gregory - FA

With CAP availability of $36m - No QB, No Safeties.

Id like to hear how you manage it......btw 2022 is nearly as bad so restructuring contracts is highly unlikely
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First off NOBODY right now knows what the actual real cap will be for 2021 because it CAN'T be calculated until the 2020 league year ends and all of the income streams are calculated. Next you point out very well the need for depth that I've been talking about. Weakening the WR depth isn't going to cure those problems it just create another depth probvlem to have to take care of at a later date.
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Clarkson said:
it's literally always this. we've fed trolls so long that they're multiplying rapidly.
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What truly defines a troll, I don't mind the baiting if there is an opportunity to share opinions, open minded discussion, that's how we all learn.
What is truly annoying and trolling IMO is when a post you make is attacked and you share supporting facts for justification, and you never get a response.
Trolls cant wait for those threads to drop off the front page, because someone just schooled them, they don't want to bump the thread, that's a true troll.
Waste of time trying to present actual facts to a closed minded troll...lol
 
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CowboyoWales said:
You still ignore the question of DEFENCE.

Its a balance that owners have to take when constructing a roster.

Improve depth or weaknesses.

I say that for us at this moment DEFENCE (particularly in the secondary), is a bigger need than a WR3.
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If you can say, which you can't, that weakening the WR's for a defensive player is all the Cowboys need to win the Super Bowl then I'm all for it, but like I said you can't because the Cowboys have more issues than just safety. So weakening one position to add to another is just weakening a position. I've said it several times now that YES everyone would love for the Cowboys to have a really good defense but one safety isn't going to do it but it will take depth away from a position and make that position weaker.
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gjkoeppen said:
First off NOBODY right now knows what the actual real cap will be for 2021 because it CAN'T be calculated until the 2020 league year ends and all of the income streams are calculated. Next you point out very well the need for depth that I've been talking about. Weakening the WR depth isn't going to cure those problems it just create another depth probvlem to have to take care of at a later date.
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….and you cant ignore that regardless of the figure we AREN'T going to be in a great position.

Our depth need at LB/DE and Secondary leading into 2021 will be a MUCH GREATER than at WR.

Do you stop watching when we don't have the ball???
 
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The slot position is undergoing a transformation within the NFL. No longer are they exclusively the smaller, shifty possession-type receivers. Those players still have value, but many teams have realized the kind of damage other types of players can do from the slot. CowboysWire’s own K.D. Drummond broke down the trend last month, while identifying candidates to replace Dallas’s own longtime slot man in Cole Beasley:

“There’s a growing trend around the league to allow larger receivers to man the slot, as long as they have the necessary sudden movement to befuddle defenders. By nature, the slot position allows every receiver a better start to their route, as they have an added two-yard buffer so they are more difficult to jam. Also, they have far more options for their routes, as they are able to go in either direction off the line.”

Several teams now base their receiving attack around players who work out of the slot, either by design or necessity.
WR Adam Thielen, who stands 6-foot-2 and weighs 200 pounds, made the Pro Bowl last season while setting new career-highs in receiving yards (1,373) and touchdowns (9). Thielen ran a receiving route from the slot position on 57% of his offensive snaps last season (as per Pro Football Focus), which generated 68 receptions, 712 yards, and seven touchdowns. At 28-years-old, the late-blooming Theilen has emerged as the Vikings top wideout, and was able to parlay his efforts into a four-year, $64 million extension.

By contrast, Cooper lined up in the slot just 16% of his time in Dallas. Of the 65 snaps total offensive snaps he took from the slot, Cooper was targeted as a receiver just 14 times. For comparison, Smith-Schuster and Thielen received 92 and 86 slot targets respectively last season. An extremely well-rounded receiver, Cooper does possess the necessary skills for the slot, and even initially found success there early in his career as a Raider.

And despite the small-sample, Cooper’s numbers from the slot last season say he should see more time there. As a slot receiver, Cooper cashed in his 14 targets for 11 receptions, 203 yards, and two TDs. His yards-per-route run (Y/RR) from the slot last season, a metric which reflects a receiver’s efficiency, was an extremely healthy 3.12 in 2018.

The two games in which Cooper recorded the most snaps from the slot were in Week 14, during his three TD, 217-yard torching of the Eagles (22), and the divisional playoff game against the Rams (16). The 29-yard TD he scored in that game’s first quarter occurred when Cooper was lined up in the slot.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/24/dallas-cowboys-amari-cooper-slot-reps-snap-analysis/
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When the Cowboys say Cooper is the slot and Lamb will be a WR then we can go with that, but they haven't. Fans and sportswriters can speculate all they want but until the coaches actually do it, it is just speculation. Now again after drafting Lamb the cowboys did mention Cobb departing and the need to draft lamb. To me that says they're thinking slot for Lamb at least to start off with. Oh and I never made any mention of size when I talked about the WR or slot.
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