Dak Prescott graded out as the 5th best quarterback in week 1, according to PFF

hornitosmonster · Sep 16, 2020

ShortRound131 said:

The idiots around here would rather have Garoppolo or Wentz

aria · Sep 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
We still had 2 All Pro OL, our starter at LG, former starter at Center.

Most would still rate it higher than the Rams OL. And they didn’t have the highly touted receiving corps we have or the top RB.

It’s pathetic. We’re missing one starting OL and have an excuse. Jimmy Johnson is right.

No one has told you yet that if this isn’t the 2016 O line than it sucks and has ever since?

LACowboysFan1 · Sep 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Well, we know we have 2 All Pro OL, WR1 and a 2 time league leading rusher. Those can’t be denied.

T. Smith, imho, is no longer an All Pro, even if he's voted in as such, once a player gets to that level it sometimes takes a year or two before he quits getting in based on reputation.

Don't misunderstand me, he's still a Pro Bowler, and one of the best, and I have always and still respect him, but he has too many false start penalties, he can get beat by speed rushers more than he used to, not quite All Pro level. As quoted by PFF "Left tackle Tyron Smith remains one of the NFL’s best, earning a 91.1 overall grade since 2015 that ranks fourth — though he’s only graded at 82.7 over the past three years, good for 11th-best during that time."

But even taking your post as is, 4 players out of 11 on offense to me means what I said - they do have talent, but it's not like there's a ton of talent, that still means 7 of the 11 aren't that talented....

Carnes · Sep 16, 2020

Swagger said:
Goff has an interception against his name for being smashed across the head just before throwing a ball. I'm not claiming he's good or bad but a bogus interception like that knee caps his rating. Just an example of blindly following stats without having a full understanding of all the information.

Never herd of a bogus interception. It was or it wasn't.

LACowboysFan1 · Sep 16, 2020

hornitosmonster said:
The idiots around here would rather have Garoppolo or Wentz

Well I'd say while they're not better than Dak, they're not much worse either, your point I still agree with, just that if we had Wentz or Garoppolo we'd be no better off, but no worse either.

All 3 have their issues, personally I'd rather deal with Dak's inconsistency than Wentz's injury history, for example...

CWR · Sep 16, 2020

Great job Dak! Suck it haters.

Diehardblues · Sep 16, 2020

LACowboysFan1 said:
T. Smith, imho, is no longer an All Pro, even if he's voted in as such, once a player gets to that level it sometimes takes a year or two before he quits getting in based on reputation.

Don't misunderstand me, he's still a Pro Bowler, and one of the best, and I have always and still respect him, but he has too many false start penalties, he can get beat by speed rushers more than he used to, not quite All Pro level. As quoted by PFF "Left tackle Tyron Smith remains one of the NFL’s best, earning a 91.1 overall grade since 2015 that ranks fourth — though he’s only graded at 82.7 over the past three years, good for 11th-best during that time."

But even taking your post as is, 4 players out of 11 on offense to me means what I said - they do have talent, but it's not like there's a ton of talent, that still means 7 of the 11 aren't that talented....

Most critics and analysts would argue our offense is loaded with talent.

Diehardblues · Sep 16, 2020

aria said:
No one has told you yet that if this isn’t the 2016 O line than it sucks and has ever since?

I haven’t seen anyone here argue this OL was as good as 2016.

But with 2 All Pro’s returning and 2 starters it was still ranked top 5 by most analysts and critics coming into the season despite losing Frederick.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-units-entering-the-2020-nfl-season

Hennessy_King · Sep 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Well, we know we have 2 All Pro OL, WR1 and a 2 time league leading rusher. Those can’t be denied.

An OL which was ranked top 5 by most coming into the season. A receiving corp touted by most as one of if not the best in the league. And arguably a QB deserving of top 5 money coming off his best season.

Defensively we have much more questions but one that with the upgrades in DL expected to be improved.

Tyron hasn't played like an all pro since 2016 lol.

Hennessy_King · Sep 16, 2020

LACowboysFan1 said:
Yes it was, but after 4 years we know that Dak, while capable of great throws, is inconsistent in his play. I was hoping he was progressing, and I'll give him this year to get in sync with Moore in his second year, with help from McCarthy, but if you had to pin me down on it, I'd have to say I doubt it. Coaching can't help vision, Dak has to see the field better. Not sure at this point he'll ever be able to.

Can the Cowboys win SB(s) with Dak? I think so, the Ravens won without the "elite" quarterback, so did the Buccaneers. Even having the "elite" quarterback is no guarantee, Brady won one SB only because of Pete Carroll's blunder, and another because of the Falcons' coaching blunder. Wilson has only gone to the SB when his team had the league's number one defense.

But it'd be a heck of a lot easier if Dak made less poor throws...

Dak has actually been one of the more consistent steadily improving players on the team. If there were only player I would keep on the team it would be Dak.

Diehardblues · Sep 16, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
Tyron hasn't played like an all pro since 2016 lol.

He’s still considered an Elite OL despite whatever we think.

Hennessy_King · Sep 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
He’s still considered an Elite OL despite whatever we think.

Considered is not a factual statement. The fact is the last couple years he hasn't even played like a top 10 tackle. I consider you to be an idiot, but is that a fact? :grin:

Diehardblues · Sep 16, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
Dak has actually been one of the more consistent steadily improving players on the team. If there were only player I would keep on the team it would be Dak.

The QB is the most important position. And most difficult to find. We certainly wouldn’t have a shot without a suitable replacement. But he’s not the most talented at his position on this team.

Diehardblues · Sep 16, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
Considered is not a factual statement. The fact is the last couple years he hasn't even played like a top 10 tackle. I consider you to be an idiot, but is that a fact?

How surprising. Don’t like the message. Attack the messenger.

You really need some work on your people skills.

5Stars · Sep 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
How surprising. Don’t like the message. Attack the messenger.

You really need some work on your people skills.

He's on the shine so sometimes he's not sober when he posts. lol

Hennessy_King · Sep 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
The QB is the most important position. And most difficult to find. We certainly wouldn’t have a shot without a suitable replacement. But he’s not the most talented at his position on this team.

Diehardblues said:
How surprising. Don’t like the message. Attack the messenger.

You really need some work on your people skills.

The only player that was better at their respective position on sunday was zeke.
I don't think you are an idiot i was proving a point.

Diehardblues · Sep 16, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
The only player that was better at their respective position on sunday was zeke.
I don't think you are an idiot i was proving a point.

You didn’t say you were ranking for one game.

Hennessy_King · Sep 16, 2020

5Stars said:
He's on the shine so sometimes he's not sober when he posts. lol

This is a fact

Hennessy_King · Sep 16, 2020

Diehardblues said:
You didn’t say you were ranking for one game.

Even over the last couple years zach martin that's it has been better and more consistent than dak. But he plays guard.

Diehardblues · Sep 16, 2020

Hennessy_King said:
Even over the last couple years zach martin that's it has been better and more consistent than dak. But he plays guard.

I’d argue in recent years Elliott, Martin , Smith, Cooper on offense more talented at their position than Dak. And depending how far you go back I’d throw in Frederick, Dez and Witten.

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