Dalton is an upgrade over Dak eh?

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Philmonroe said:
You might find 10 people total on the whole board that said such. I said I thought he would be to produce similar in stats and wins over the long haul but outright better no. These posters couldn't find 10 people on here that said Dalton was better than Dak if Bezos bank account was the prize for proving their claims true.
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You're right. I also don't think this loss proves that Dalton is a bad quarterback. Sub-par line play was getting the poor guy killed, and in fact he got knocked out of the game. Dak would have had better escapability, but even he would have gotten clobbered. I don't think any quarterback can make up for line play that bad. This is turning out to be an awful season.

With our 2016 line, either Dak or Dalton could make great things happen.
 
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Blitz. Blitz. And more blitz. You have to make him make split decisions. And hope it’s you’re night on defense. Sitting back won’t cut it. At all.
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If you play disciplined gap and you have a player or two who can push the pocket up into his face, you can beat him but if you don't have that, he's gonna run around you all day or just sit back and find guys. His height is an issue if you can bring the pocket right up in his face. But there again, you gotta stay home and you gotta tackle in the front seven. Once he gets in open air, he's gonna juke or plain out run you.
 
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CowboysFaninHouston said:
no, that's not the moment that I say Dak is solid. I don't need to use that as the reason, as Dak's performance/play for those who really understand football is enough to prove that....I don't need a Dalton screw up to prove that. you needed that. not me....that was for your benefit......

the point is you want to have a chance at the end of the game. most NFL games are that way. coaching decision during those times often make huge difference in wins and losses. team stepping up in those moments make the difference in wins and losses. not giving up 50-70 yard runs to the opposing team make the difference......

and btw, I never had a sigh of relief...didn't need to...you rejoiced seeing Dak go down..... when Dak went down, I knew the offense was shot. I knew we didnt' have a chance and I posted as such, that perhaps, time to go for a rebuild and get rid of McCarthy as well...... I never thought Dalton was any good or would give us any chance. not with this defense at least. we would need a top 5, dominant defense to have a chance to be within a few points at the end of the game and perhaps defense getting turnovers and scoring....otherwise we had ZERO chance with Dalton.

so its you, and couple of other folks like you who continuously pumped Dalton and now, are angry that Dalton didn't perform or meet your expectations. trying to find every excuse like the "3rd string tackle", although that tackle was slated to be the 2nd string before injury....nice spin, nice try, but a fail..... the problem is you had the wrong expectations, allowing your anger and emotions cloud your judgement and not seeing Dalton for what he was...you played fantasy football. 98% of the folks on this board, knew Dalton wasn't any good....so you can't say I didn't know....it was in front of you, you just didn't want to see

and in the end, no loss is good. yet, 98% on this board understood, that without a decent defense, even an all star offense, full of all pros wouldn't be able to save the season.....

and your last statement is where we are different.......

you rather save money. I rather win. the money to Dak is not the issue aand never been an issue except to you and couple of others...we had enough money to make a lot of other big signings ala Collins, Smith, Smith, Lawrence, Cooper, Zeke and lots of other players ala poe, mccoy, griffin, crawford....

yet none of those investments paid off except for cooper. none except cooper...... 6 high priced players to be corner stones, turned into bowls of craap not producing anything for the team...producing NOTHING........that's where the mistakes happened and if you really put your emotions aside and really understood football, then it would be utterly clear to you...and those other players, mid level salaries, are supposed to solidify the team...and none of them produced anything....I mean nothing...

but go on, get angry at Dak...keep hating him......if that what makes you feel better...if that's what gives you something to post

btw, there is nothing wrong with saying "I was wrong". I have said it before myself. it takes a real man to admit he was wrong..its easy to let your ego get in the way....being wrong doesn't diminish you. it actually helps you get better
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Stopped reading at “you rejoiced when Dak went down.”

I can’t keep repeating myself in these arguments.
 

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CATCH17 said:
Stopped reading at “you rejoiced when Dak went down.”

I can’t keep repeating myself in these arguments.
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These dudes just want to make up arguments of things you didn't say. I think some of them are slow in their mental processing.
 

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Sadly, we won't get to see DiNucci play either......he'll be running for his life too.
 
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Sadly, we won't get to see DiNucci play either......he'll be running for his life too.
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I fear the list of battered Dallas quarterbacks in 2020 doesn’t end with Andy Dalton. At some point, we are going to see snaps taken by QBs not yet on this roster.

Oh, and I promise I won’t beef on posters who think Ben DiNucci or Garrett Gilbert will be as effective as Dalton.
 
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no, that's not the moment that I say Dak is solid. I don't need to use that as the reason, as Dak's performance/play for those who really understand football is enough to prove that....I don't need a Dalton screw up to prove that. you needed that. not me....that was for your benefit......

the point is you want to have a chance at the end of the game. most NFL games are that way. coaching decision during those times often make huge difference in wins and losses. team stepping up in those moments make the difference in wins and losses. not giving up 50-70 yard runs to the opposing team make the difference......

and btw, I never had a sigh of relief...didn't need to...you rejoiced seeing Dak go down..... when Dak went down, I knew the offense was shot. I knew we didnt' have a chance and I posted as such, that perhaps, time to go for a rebuild and get rid of McCarthy as well...... I never thought Dalton was any good or would give us any chance. not with this defense at least. we would need a top 5, dominant defense to have a chance to be within a few points at the end of the game and perhaps defense getting turnovers and scoring....otherwise we had ZERO chance with Dalton.

so its you, and couple of other folks like you who continuously pumped Dalton and now, are angry that Dalton didn't perform or meet your expectations. trying to find every excuse like the "3rd string tackle", although that tackle was slated to be the 2nd string before injury....nice spin, nice try, but a fail..... the problem is you had the wrong expectations, allowing your anger and emotions cloud your judgement and not seeing Dalton for what he was...you played fantasy football. 98% of the folks on this board, knew Dalton wasn't any good....so you can't say I didn't know....it was in front of you, you just didn't want to see

and in the end, no loss is good. yet, 98% on this board understood, that without a decent defense, even an all star offense, full of all pros wouldn't be able to save the season.....

and your last statement is where we are different.......

you rather save money. I rather win. the money to Dak is not the issue aand never been an issue except to you and couple of others...we had enough money to make a lot of other big signings ala Collins, Smith, Smith, Lawrence, Cooper, Zeke and lots of other players ala poe, mccoy, griffin, crawford....

yet none of those investments paid off except for cooper. none except cooper...... 6 high priced players to be corner stones, turned into bowls of craap not producing anything for the team...producing NOTHING........that's where the mistakes happened and if you really put your emotions aside and really understood football, then it would be utterly clear to you...and those other players, mid level salaries, are supposed to solidify the team...and none of them produced anything....I mean nothing...

but go on, get angry at Dak...keep hating him......if that what makes you feel better...if that's what gives you something to post

btw, there is nothing wrong with saying "I was wrong". I have said it before myself. it takes a real man to admit he was wrong..its easy to let your ego get in the way....being wrong doesn't diminish you. it actually helps you get better
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I couldn’t agree more, your post is excellent. There are lots of excuses being made for Daulton, when it was apparent to most that he was just a backup quarterback.
 

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CATCH17 said:
Stopped reading at “you rejoiced when Dak went down.”

I can’t keep repeating myself in these arguments.
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wait, you accuse me of rejoicing because I saw dalton fail so I could get back at you guys!!! and there were a few of your hard headed brethren that rejoiced (khiladi, leeblair, pappydog).....

so I guess now you understand when you make accusations...false accusation....

like I said.....your ego is getting in the way of you admiting you were wrong about Dak (not Dak vs. Dalton)......
 
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Reverend Conehead said:
You're right. I also don't think this loss proves that Dalton is a bad quarterback. Sub-par line play was getting the poor guy killed, and in fact he got knocked out of the game. Dak would have had better escapability, but even he would have gotten clobbered. I don't think any quarterback can make up for line play that bad. This is turning out to be an awful season.

With our 2016 line, either Dak or Dalton could make great things happen.
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No he's not..

1) GMO415 said: "Expect the opposite. Teams will stack the box and force the Red Rifle to beat them, and he will shred them with these WRs."
and "Moore's misdirection offense can be ran with Dalton, and probably better with him at the helm It should produce an open WR, TE, or RB"
2) khalidi said: "If anything Dalton will be more efficient with the RG and we’ll become more like the Titans. I expect Zeke to actually start having bigger runs late in the game.
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3) Mr_V said: "Dalton has a better arm than Dak and can make throws that Dak can't. I am a Dak fan."
and "You will see tonight what kind of throws he is capable. Dalton has better touch on his passes and accuracy.."

4) Risen Star said: "
Get ready to post this tonight.

"Where has this team been all year?"

The Dalton era.
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5) MarionBarthThe4th said: "
Listen dak isn’t very talented this team is absolutely going 10-6 winning the division and will lose to Seattle or gb in the championship game with dalton 30-22
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6) InTheZone said: "We'll find out very soon, problem is some don't want to believe we may be close to the same with the potential to even be better."
7) Floatyworm said: "Doesn't fit the agenda to get Dak paid.....If Jerry is smart....he let's him walk. Today should prove we are better off without him."

8) Sarek said: "Dalton Cowboys will start winning games. Cowboys will be a playoff team now!"

9) Pappydog said: "You will be proven wrong in the weeks to follow." .. in response to:
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Andy Dalton is paying off well so far. But he's no Dak. I can already tell.

10) 3rdEyewarrior said: "But with more accuracy and a better ability to ready the defense pre snap. Arm strength is the same."


It took me about 10 minutes scrolling through two threads to find 10 people claiming Dalton was going to be better than Dak or at least that the team was going to be better with Dalton at the helm. I suspect if I dedicated 10 more minutes I could find 10 more but for those with any intellectual honesty I made my point.. For those who lack it.. well.. we have a name for those people.. but I am not going to name-call today.. I am in mourning over another lost season.
Dalton is more than capable of driving this offense. He will face the same challenges as Dak, specifically a horrid defense.
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But with more accuracy and a better ability to ready the defense pre snap. Arm strength is the same.
Dalton is more than capable of driving this offense. He will face the same challenges as Dak, specifically a horrid defense.
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But with more accuracy and a better ability to ready the defense pre snap. Arm strength is the same.
 
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The idea that it's not our money is foolish. That's what people say who don't want to face the real life implications of the cap. That argument does not wash with me. Paying players on this team who are foundation type players over time absolutely effect other areas of the team. To say it won't is simply untrue. Not spending money wisely will abolutely hurt other areas of the team. Spending money wisely helps both all areas of the team.
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Agreed. We reset the market with Zeke when he had 2 more years on the contract and a franchise if necessary. Thats bad money spent for a mental midget and an idiot that finds trouble some kind of way. If he wants to sit let him sit, or either get a good trade out of him. Amari, I like him alot, and I think hes a top 3 route runner in football. Hes not a dog. He doesnt have that attitude but I understand since we didnt know CeeDee was going to fall to us. Even then I was against drafting him....Not that I dont like him, but the WR was too think not to go defense.

Lawrence- I dont believe in paying anyone whose mediocre and then shows out on his contract year.

My point is , Dak is the best leader weve had in years. Hes more of a leader than Garrett, Stephen, Jerry, and McCarthy.. The team has fallen apart without him. Hes the Glue of the team. Hes the emotional leader. He doesnt have 1 elite quality that makes him standout, but he does a number of things really really good which makes him top 5 in my eyes. In fact Russell Wilson, Maholmes, and Rogers are the only 3 that are clearly better QBS to me. I think hes better than Watson and Lamar Jackson. I think he has surpassed Brees and and Brady at this point. In fact when it comes to starting a franchise he there only 2 I would take all things considered (age and ability) and thats Russell and Maholmes, and then he and Allen are a Toss up.

So Im not saying its not our money just to say spend it on any and everyone, Im saying I think Dak is more deserving than anyone on this team, and if we had a mediocre defense....Dak can an would win 10 to 13 games.
 
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There aren't anymore of those until there are but so what, nobody is saying that this is what you need to be on Defense but you have to be solid. You have to be able to tackle, you have to be able to read keys, to get offenses off the field and to get pressure in critical situations. That's not even really asking that much out of a defense and for that, you need much better talent then we currently have. Teams have shown that you can put up 27 and win consistently without 40 mil QBs. You don't need that to score points or win games. But, if you are paying that kind of money to a QB or anybody, then that guy better be the guy who can get you wins when you need to score 38 consistently to win or he better be the guy who is holding everybody down to 14 points consistently and taking all the pressure off the Offense to score 24. He better be that guy and if he's not, then he's not worth the money. BTW, we don't have Cooper for much longer IMO. If you look at his contract, he's likely gone in another season. JMO
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The point is Dak has avg 32 over his last 16 games...Maholmes couldnt win with this D, and no one expected the Defense to be this bad. Griffen, Poe, Lawrence, McCoy, Griffen, Lee, LVE, Smith....???Alden Smith and Randle Gregory. Did we expect the front 7 to be that bad? I didnt. I thought it was going to be a pleasant surprise.
 
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CATCH17 said:
Knight is out too and he was playing very well.
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Man you embarrass yourself every time you post. The o line has sucked since day 1 with all the injuries. Go watch Hangin with the Boys and start listening at about the half way to 2/3 mark and listen to Nate and Jesse. But I’m sure you know more than them and Troy and Irvin and Belichek and the rest of the Hall of Famers who say Dak is elite.
 
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Man you embarrass yourself every time you post. The o line has sucked since day 1 with all the injuries. Go watch Hangin with the Boys and start listening at about the half way to 2/3 mark and listen to Nate and Jesse. But I’m sure you know more than them and Troy and Irvin and Belichek and the rest of the Hall of Famers who say Dak is elite.
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It was bad.. Now it’s worse


On top of that Washington’s D line is quality.

We didn’t play a trash defense like the Seahawks, Browns, or Falcons.
 
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CATCH17 said:
It was bad.. Now it’s worse


On top of that Washington’s D line is quality.

We didn’t play a trash defense like the Seahawks, Browns, or Falcons.
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Excuses, excuses, excuses. Keep it up though, it’s entertaining. Telling, but entertaining.
 
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