Our Playoff chances

CowboyRoy said:

Nope, wrong as usual. I blame EVERYONE including Jerry. Are you saying you have never heard me hammer Jerry for hiring a loser like Garrett and keeping him around for 15 years?

The difference between us is that you lay little to no blame whatsoever on Garrett, your hero. Just yesterday you were talking about how you missed him and absolving him from blame based on this years results.

Ironically, one of your big excuses was that Garrett simply didnt have the talent here to do a proper job. Yet in a year where whatever talent we have has been destroyed by injuries, not a peep about lack of talent for the new regime?

Once again your agenda is showing.

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You insert things I didn’t say and interpret others incorrectly.

First of all if you had mentioned Jerry and Stephen’s mistakes along with former regime I might not have even commented.

And you’ve posted this before about the 15 years which is blatantly false. Apparently you think if you consistently incorrectly throw out info it somehow becomes factual.

rocyaice said:

He's not right. We can sit here and talk about how bad this guy is or that guy but if that guy is cut I guarantee you someone picks them up. They screwed up royally on TJ Watt but I have zero faith TJ Watt is the player here that he is in Pittsburgh. This team does not put its players in position to succeed.

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But that’s a different argument whether Watt would have made same impact here. Your sidestepping the bigger argument. The fact we took Taco instead is definitely a subject we can critique.

DuncanIso said:

We should have kept Jason.

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It was time to make a change . It had become too toxic of atmosphere for Jason to remain here.

But he was blamed too much for frustrations and disappointments for the last 10 years. The Lynch Mob targeted the wrong culprit.

Garrett was a product of this dysfunctional organization not its creator.

Diehardblues said:

But that’s a different argument whether Watt would have made same impact here. Your sidestepping the bigger argument. The fact we took Taco instead is definitely a subject we can critique.

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I never said it wasn't. I specifically said.....

They screwed up royally on TJ Watt but I have zero faith TJ Watt is the player here that he is in Pittsburgh. This team does not put its players in position to succeed.

They screwed up on the TJ Watt pick no doubt. The biggest issues I see with the defense is that there are guys who show flashes but for some reason they can never take that next step. There are also guys constantly being played out of position.

after we lose tonight we are all but mathematically eliminated...which i believe will come after next week's loss and a win by either NY or WFT

rocyaice said:

I never said it wasn't. I specifically said.....

They screwed up royally on TJ Watt but I have zero faith TJ Watt is the player here that he is in Pittsburgh. This team does not put its players in position to succeed.

They screwed up on the TJ Watt pick no doubt. The biggest issues I see with the defense is that there are guys who show flashes but for some reason they can never take that next step. There are also guys constantly being played out of position.

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No ones disputing the scheme issues, etc. But what you were responding to and why I chimed in was about our misses in the draft.

Taco wasn’t the only one. Clairborne another 1st round bust for us. There’s been multiple poor selections on defense in draft this era.

And we can definitely argue they were major contributing factors to this defense being below average and probably preventing our franchise from more success in recent years.

...hate to be the antagonist here, but its best the cowboys sit this one out. Get healthy, make roster moves, give MM some time to make changes. Cant raise The Titanic.

Diehardblues said:

No ones disputing the scheme issues, etc. But what you were responding to and why I chimed in was about our misses in the draft.

Taco wasn’t the only one. Clairborne another 1st round bust for us. There’s been multiple poor selections on defense in draft this era.

And we can definitely argue they were major contributing factors to this defense being below average and probably preventing our franchise from more success in recent years.

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I understand what you are saying but Claiborne was regarded as the best corner in the draft. He wasn't some reach lol. These are good players they are getting. You have one shot and one shot only to develop a player. If you screw that up chances are you are done. Like Carson Wentz....Carson Wentz won't ever be a great player for the Eagles again. Maybe some other team but its over with on the Eagles. You don't recover from it.

CouchCoach said:

Wouldn't bet on it, they lose tonight and they're 2 games back and have been swept by WAS. They do have the more favorable schedule. Last game of the season might be nothing more than playing spoiler for the Giants but I don't see that kind of division hate in this team.

Candidly, the way this team is playing, better to get eliminated and not have these last games matter. At least NY and WAS's D's give them a chance to win a playoff game. DAL's give them a chance for a better draft pick.

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Here is a scenario of a what if...as they are all.

Dallas, Washington, NY end in a 3 way tie all at 8-8 or 7-9. Heck maybe even 6-10. LOL.
Now I need to look at the conference games left. But say it is a 3 way tie. as I need to refresh on the 3 way tie, tie breakers.

Say we all are 3-3 in the division. So we have to beat the Giants and the Eagles, and bout every other team. And the Eagles must beat the WFT.
so in the round robin type set up. We beat the giants twice, Giants beat the WFT twice, WFT beat us twice. So no head to head or division game eliminations. Until one team is eliminated somehow.
I can't remember if it is then conference games or common games.
But the way it looks we have to win more conference games as we have more left than the others. We would be 6-6, WFT would need to lose another NFC game, which they would in this scenario. and same for NY as we would need to give them a loss. Both would be 5-7.

Very doubtful this will happen, but just throwing it out there.

However we lose tonight, NY and WFT win their games next week. We are done except for a miracle, meaning we win our last 4, they lose their last 3 (if each wins Sunday).

Give me the draft pick. not rooting for losses, but will not be upset by losing for the best draft pick. I think we may win 2 games, the bengals and Eagles, lose the others.

Jipper said:

after we lose tonight we are all but mathematically eliminated...which i believe will come after next week's loss and a win by either NY or WFT

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Yes we lose 2 they each win next week, we will be out, by virtue of losing the tie breaker to WFT. NY does not matter. If WFT loses, and NY wins, we still are in it but barely. I think anyway from a quick look.
See my other post about a 3 way tie.

rocyaice said:

I understand what you are saying but Claiborne was regarded as the best corner in the draft. He wasn't some reach lol. These are good players they are getting. You have one shot and one shot only to develop a player. If you screw that up chances are you are done. Like Carson Wentz....Carson Wentz won't ever be a great player for the Eagles again. Maybe some other team but its over with on the Eagles. You don't recover from it.

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This has always been the case in the NFL.

Highly drafted prospects who bust in the NFL and why evaluation to your system is so critical in the selection along with their talent level over hyped or not meeting expectations in the NFL.

Regardless the factors , the results of those picks must be critiqued.

Diehardblues said:

This has always been the case in the NFL.

Highly drafted prospects who bust in the NFL and why evaluation to your system is so critical in the selection along with their talent level over hyped or not meeting expectations in the NFL.

Regardless the factors , the results of those picks must be critiqued.

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Once again I have no issue with critiquing them. But pretending like the Cowboys did something wrong by drafting Claiborne is not putting blame where it goes.

rocyaice said:

Once again I have no issue with critiquing them. But pretending like the Cowboys did something wrong by drafting Claiborne is not putting blame where it goes.

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I understand but the same criticism is for every player and team. Regardless the situation or team they go to if they don’t work either being considered a bust or bad pick .

I’ve always argued the reason so many top drafted QB bust is cause they go to bad teams who never surround them with a better supporting cast. But it’s also cause teams reach for QB’s . And some of these kids ability and talent simply don’t translate to NFL for various reasons. That’s all part of the risk on Draft Day.

When the same team has picks which work out then we know it’s not all about the team. Players hold some responsibility as well.

hittheskids said:

Less than 1% chance of making the playoffs based on statistical data.

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Less than 1% chance of winning a playoff game if we do.

Diehardblues said:

I understand but the same criticism is for every player and team. Regardless the situation or team they go to if they don’t work either being considered a bust or bad pick .

I’ve always argued the reason so many top drafted QB bust is cause they go to bad teams who never surround them with a better supporting cast. But it’s also cause teams reach for QB’s . And some of these kids ability and talent simply don’t translate to NFL for various reasons. That’s all part of the risk on Draft Day.

When the same team has picks which work out then we know it’s not all about the team. Players hold some responsibility as well.

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Clairborne wasn't a reach though lol. He went where he was projected. What exactly is your argument? That they are just picking bad players?

rocyaice said:

Clairborne wasn't a reach though lol. He went where he was projected. What exactly is your argument? That they are just picking bad players?

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Like all teams , many of these players ability and talent simply don’t translate to the NFL for various reasons . Not all are their fault. But ultimately it’s how they are viewed as a bad pick or bust for that slot.

As far as Claiborne it could be argued that giving up our 2nd round pick was also a bad choice moving up to pick him. A double whammy.

In the end it was and will be considered a bad pick and Claiborne a bust for that slot. Yes, much of that is on the player. And on the team for not having a better eye for his talent translating to the NFL. It happens practically every year to some player or team.

Clairborne was obviously projected too high. It happens much like players are projected too low and are a find in later rounds.

yentl911 said:

This team won’t win two more games get real

they are in for an *** kicking tomorrow night too

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I agree. I was just going over the math. The real question is, is it mathematically possible to get the #1 pick. That answer is also yes.

We have a better shot at a top 5 draft pick.

rocyaice said:

Jaylen Ramsey has one more pick than Byron Jones does lol.

And its not about being "stars". Its about finding starters. Woods and Awuzie can play in this league. Cowboys didn't just get them undrafted...those were guys with high draft grades on them. If the Cowboys didn't pick them someone else would've. Just because they play for the Cowboys doesn't mean they were bad.

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Jones has one pick in his entire career. LOL

Im not going to argue about how good Ramsey is compared to Awuzie. Its not up for debate.

To think you have watched most of these guys for 4 years and still dont see how bad they are is troubling.

Diehardblues said:

You insert things I didn’t say and interpret others incorrectly.

First of all if you had mentioned Jerry and Stephen’s mistakes along with former regime I might not have even commented.

And you’ve posted this before about the 15 years which is blatantly false. Apparently you think if you consistently incorrectly throw out info it somehow becomes factual.

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Theres no need to mention the Joneses. Everyone knows how bad they are. The fact that you continue to push the agenda that they suck just shows how out of touch you continue to be. Ive never heard ONE poster say Jones is great at his job or that the problems doesnt stem from the top.

I find it hilarious how you always try to act like Jones sucking at his job is a you told us so moment for you.

Jones sucks at his job and Garrett sucked at his. Pretty easy analysis on both counts.