25 years of frustration "I get it" But

75boyz · Mar 18, 2021

dckid said:
Thanks sir.
I guess we can only hope for someone in the organization to see the error of their ways. I was really hoping last year was the fork in the road but the meaningless 6 wins did us in.
Having a top 5 pick this year would have allowed for a high impact player and or a QB, as there will be a run on QB's this year. The not so secret is an inexpensive QB, and now we have the most expensive in the league.

Let's keep the good fight going.

Yep, totally agree. The window/opportunity was there to build it 2 to 3 yrs ago and then even last year a few more losses down the stretch could have helped build an actual not so top heavy roster. But nope, now Jerry continues to double down on contract mistakes by paying elite money to good or even past their prime players. CouchCoach has mentioned this.

Marketing over true teambuilding. What sells has nothing to do with team won/loss record. That has become secondary.

Now is time to sit back and see if this year is any different from the past 25 seasons. I strongly have my doubts.

GMO415 · Mar 18, 2021

In this case it's "butt" not "but". After all it's 25 years.

Bobhaze · Mar 18, 2021

I think one of the things that makes this qtr century so frustrating is with all other NFL teams (except the bungles) after about 5 years of futility, changes are made at the top. At least someone else is brought in to give it a shot- not the same exact cast of characters at the top.

These Jones family “lifetime contracts” - regardless of results-have been killing this franchise. And in 2021, god forbid if this team goes 4-12 or worse, no heads will roll, no changes at the top will be made. A minor mid-level assistant coach will serve as the scape goat and they will exit in a lame attempt at blame.

Excuses at the top will remain. Some silly quote will pour out from a Jones executive like “secret sauce” or “we’re going to start making people uncomfortable”, and then nothing changes.That’s the deadly organizational cancer that eats this franchise from within. Two cancerous words haunt us: No accountability.

The only cure for this is a strong HC who can instill some toughness and accountability within that locker room. This is the softest team in the NFC if not the whole league and it desperately needs some good ol toughness. Talent is critical to winning in this league, but talent with no discipline or toughness is never enough. We have 25 years of evidence.

mattjames2010 · Mar 19, 2021

LOL same people every single offseason with the same damn excuses. It never fails.

The Fonz · Mar 19, 2021

I have moved on from caring much about this team the winning franchise we used to know is dead... it is over ...you have now a circus with good PR.
It is easy to blame the Jones and rightfully so but the issue is deep rooted in the massive changes as result of technology dominating our lives

starfan1 · Mar 19, 2021

Bobhaze said:
I think one of the things that makes this qtr century so frustrating is with all other NFL teams (except the bungles) after about 5 years of futility, changes are made at the top. At least someone else is brought in to give it a shot- not the same exact cast of characters at the top.

These Jones family “lifetime contracts” - regardless of results-have been killing this franchise. And in 2021, god forbid if this team goes 4-12 or worse, no heads will roll, no changes at the top will be made. A minor mid-level assistant coach will serve as the scape goat and they will exit in a lame attempt at blame.

Excuses at the top will remain. Some silly quote will pour out from a Jones executive like “secret sauce” or “we’re going to start making people uncomfortable”, and then nothing changes.That’s the deadly organizational cancer that eats this franchise from within. Two cancerous words haunt us: No accountability.

The only cure for this is a strong HC who can instill some toughness and accountability within that locker room. This is the softest team in the NFC if not the whole league and it desperately needs some good ol toughness. Talent is critical to winning in this league, but talent with no discipline or toughness is never enough. We have 25 years of evidence.

If one change could be made in organization. It might be Jerry allowing someone else to be GM . Good points

Rockport · Mar 19, 2021

Sydla said:
It kind of is for us. The rest of FA will likely be them signing more scrap heap guys.

They've done it for years now and literally just signed a JAG defensive tackle and you think there's still a chance they are going to spend a bit of money and bring in some quality FAs?

To @Star-Fan some folks just like to complain. It’s all they do no matter the subject. Just look at the Signing threads and you’ll see the same posters like this one always whining. Always. It’s their character. They just can’t help it because they think it’s just normal. They keep throwing out the lame “it’s been 26 years of failures” thinking that because of that there will be 26 more years of failure. That’s non-sense.

jnday · Mar 19, 2021

starfan1 said:
Im not sure what you guys expect. I mean i would have like Tomlinson or possibly a corner of high value or even a LB. I am not sure that the cowboys hands off approach is very good but barring a few of these guys these free agents cant be that big of an upgrade or they would have been signed by their respective teams.

I know alot of people want to target Dak as the reason but that's hogwash. The cowboys have very rarely been big players in FA. The only way I see to make a major upgrade with active NFL players is make a trade happen and even at that if the players is that much better than we already got then its going to cost you some draft capital.

I know its the same thing that gets said every year is Im waiting to see the on field product. Then evaluate why. Our failures over 25 years have been because of a variety of different reasons and its not always the same reasons every year.

Well maybe you can point tp jethro and and his son but beyond that reasons are varied.

The Cowboys used to be the number one destination for FAs. Dallas was the team that all players wanted to play for and there was not a FA that Dallas wanted, that they didn’t sign. Yes, Jerry went after and signed any FA that they wanted. The current approach to free agency started when Stephen took over and implemented his “cheap” approach to free agency. In the past, very few of the big FA signings played up to their contracts and most turned out to be bad signings, but at least an attempt to improve the team through free agency was happening. I don’t think anybody wants the team to go out and overpay FAs, but signing a few above average FAs to reasonable deals should take place to fill in the holes on the roster. Dallas went from one approach in free agency, to the complete opposite. I don’t think it is unreasonable for fans to expect some middle ground FA signings instead the team going from one extreme to the other.

jnday · Mar 19, 2021

starfan1 said:
No its just not simplistic. I blame jerry for alot mostly the culture but J Geezy played a role as did some of the other coahes and certainly i think the players have failed at times too. Sure Jerry could go out and spend a bunch on players but ultimately they have to be put in the best system to win and they need to be held accountable for bad execution

I dont think jerry is telling the coaches dont get on my players but if you need a single scapegoat jerry is a good one because hes definitely part of the problem

Jerry does run his mouth to the media and often he has contradicted what the coaches were saying and doing. He has meddled and it undermines the coaches. Players see this and they take advantage of it. It is part of the losing culture.

erod · Mar 19, 2021

CouchCoach said:
Since when has this been am elite franchise on the field?

erod, the day is gone and will not return soon.

It's worse than that. On the field, the Cowboys have been reduced to one of the worst in the league.

It's no longer a destination team like it used to be.

They're becoming the Rangers.

jnday · Mar 19, 2021

Rockport said:
To @Star-Fan some folks just like to complain. It’s all they do no matter the subject. Just look at the Signing threads and you’ll see the same posters like this one always whining. Always. It’s their character. They just can’t help it because they think it’s just normal. They keep throwing out the lame “it’s been 26 years of failures” thinking that because of that there will be 26 more years of failure. That’s non-sense.

We will see how much nonsense it is after another upcoming losing season. These posters ,that you speak of , have opinions that varies from topic to topic. I know that I am one them and I have seen topics that I agreed with your comments, as well as comments from other posters that I have epic arguments with. It totally depends the topic and considering the last couple decades of losing, there are more negative topics than positive.

jnday · Mar 19, 2021

CouchCoach said:
Harping on the 25 years really makes it worse than it's been. They've won the East 7 times in that span.

They haven't been to the NFCCG in that span but they have had some good seasons.

Comparing the last 25 years to what they used to be is a waste of time.

Do you think you are owed something? I don't care if you've had season tickets for all 25 years, you are owed nothing.

What is it that makes Cowboys fans think they have to be different than Browns or Lions fans?

To sell yourself that this season will be different when the same people are in charge is ludicrous. These people are going to own this team for your lifetime, the sooner you accept what was will not be again and this is what it is, the better off you'll be and forget this 25 years nonsense.

If a fan is paying the high price for these tickets, yes, he is owed something. The owner of the team owes it to the fans to field the best team possible. As it stands, fans are getting an inferior product that is being limited by a poor owner/GM. I am not paying to see these gutless wonders lose games. It’s a rip-off.

Diehardblues · Mar 19, 2021

starfan1 said:
Im not sure what you guys expect. I mean i would have like Tomlinson or possibly a corner of high value or even a LB. I am not sure that the cowboys hands off approach is very good but barring a few of these guys these free agents cant be that big of an upgrade or they would have been signed by their respective teams.

I know alot of people want to target Dak as the reason but that's hogwash. The cowboys have very rarely been big players in FA. The only way I see to make a major upgrade with active NFL players is make a trade happen and even at that if the players is that much better than we already got then its going to cost you some draft capital.

I know its the same thing that gets said every year is Im waiting to see the on field product. Then evaluate why. Our failures over 25 years have been because of a variety of different reasons and its not always the same reasons every year.

Well maybe you can point tp jethro and and his son but beyond that reasons are varied.

Correct. The one constant throughout is Jethro and Son.

starfan1 · Mar 19, 2021

jnday said:
Jerry does run his mouth to the media and often he has contradicted what the coaches were saying and doing. He has meddled and it undermines the coaches. Players see this and they take advantage of it. It is part of the losing culture.

I don't doubt he contributes to losing culture. I listen to jerry alot on DFW radio stations and he's a buffoon who is all about $$$. I think he wants to win he's just too stubborn to see his role in the failure. But its not just 1 thing. Its not just because they are tightasses in FA but its part of it. Its not just bozo coaching but its part of it. Its not just misses on draft days but its part of it. its not just player execution but its part of it. He is however the one constant and can be pointed to as a big part.

Sad part is i think Steven is even dumber. I've listened to that bozo on the radio and its just my opinion but I think hes a bigger bozo than jerry

Hennessy_King · Mar 19, 2021

We fail in FA because no1 wants to actually come here. We are not a "winning" destination

Bobhaze · Mar 19, 2021

erod said:
It's worse than that. On the field, the Cowboys have been reduced to one of the worst in the league.

It's no longer a destination team like it used to be.

They're becoming the Rangers.

And the Rangers have won two AL pennants since the Cowboys last won a divisional playoff game, much less an NFC championship. The Mavs and Stars have both won championships and appeared in championship series 5 times between them since Cowboys last SB.

If we’re being honest, the Cowboys are the least successful team in the DFW area in the 21st century. They are living off their massive popularity and financial clout, not any on field results.

HungryLion · Mar 19, 2021

Bobhaze said:
And the Rangers have won two AL pennants since the Cowboys last won a divisional playoff game, much less an NFC championship. The Mavs and Stars have both won championships and appeared in championship series 5 times between them since Cowboys last SB.

If we’re being honest, the Cowboys are the least successful team in the DFW area in the 21st century. They are living off their massive popularity and financial clout, not any on field results.

CouchCoach · Mar 19, 2021

Grenic said:
This is such a pathetic way to think, let's all just accept this team as it is. I'm glad I grew up when being a Dallas Cowboy meant something other than being average at best

So, your plan is to do what? Let me know how you are going to change things. Let me know when your thinking affects the outcome.

Accepting those things we cannot change includes recognizing what was may not be again. I grew up younger and slimmer and wrinkle free.

I do not see it pathetic at all but have been accused of that before. Lowering my standards, was the way it was put. I see all of the wailing and gnashing of teeth of those with such high standards.

Want high standards? Better find another team. I have adjusted my expectations which is not lowering my standards because that isn't a factor in being a fan of a sports team. If it were, why do the Browns, Cowboys and Lions have any fans?

If you are a Cowboys fan, you better learn to hope for the best and plan for less than that for history does not lie. These Cowboys are not your younger self's Cowboys.

kskboys · Mar 19, 2021

fivetwos said:
Well, clearly they are doing all they can to get better and take advantage of a weak division, but ok.

True theres a list of reasons (excuses)...but they all point back to Jerry anyway.

I would chalk most of it up to crappy coaching that the players neither feared or respected.

In Dallas it about collecting a paycheck.

The entire organization starting at the very top acts like they are elite.

And to add, lack of blueprint or plan. We just draft willynilly w/ hope that the player will just somehow magically fit in.

CouchCoach · Mar 19, 2021

Bobhaze said:
And the Rangers have won two AL pennants since the Cowboys last won a divisional playoff game, much less an NFC championship. The Mavs and Stars have both won championships and appeared in championship series 5 times between them since Cowboys last SB.

If we’re being honest, the Cowboys are the least successful team in the DFW area in the 21st century. They are living off their massive popularity and financial clout, not any on field results.

Undeniable fact and not one damned thing we can do about it but complain. This shows no signs of changing or slowing down.

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