Remember Ruggs last year?

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I thought Jefferson was going to be good. He had a very good CFP with Burrow and I was surprised he fell as far as he did. But I’m not a pro scout. I think Ruggs would have made our offense better because we still don’t have a deep threat to open things in the mid range. I think he might have been effective here. But perhaps that is what the Raiders were thinking and that obviously hasn’t been proven yet.
 
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I don't remember anyone proclaiming for Ruggs like that. I think a lot of people were relieved Oakland took him and we were ecstatic Ceedee Lamb fell to us.

Ruggs probably would have looked completely different here playing next to Amari Cooper and Gallup who are extremely dangerous weapons in their own regards
 
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As I recall:
  • Chaisson was considered the best position of need but recognised as a book/bust project to be developed.
  • Ruggs was a 50-50 as a player we should take, we didn’t really need a WR but he could be used and was a good player.
  • Lamb was a 90-10 as someone we couldn’t/shouldn’t pass up on. A can’t miss prospect and complete player.
But really, the reason Lamb was loved so much was because he was the complete player ready made. An almost can’t miss prospect similar to Z.Elliott, J.Ramsey, Q.Nelson, and T.Wirfs.

Compare that to this year and I would say the can’t miss prospects are Pitts and Chase. I can understand people taking the OT’s and QB’s before them but I’m almost certain those two will succeed as NFL players. I’m far less certain of Surtain.
 
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Avery said:
I think if you could have picked a WR last year, any WR, most of this forum would have said Lamb or Jeudy.

Pitts and Ruggs as players are nothing alike so don't get the connection unless you're strictly talking offensive weapon. Waddle is very much like Ruggs.
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as well as John Ross,, etc
 
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kskboys said:
Ruggs = Chase
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Ruggs is nothing like Chase
Ruggs will probably end up being at good punt returner WR2-3 in this league,,,
Chase is the mosty dynamic WR to come out recently, on par with Lamb, Jeudy class of
last year.
Some say that Chase is better and has a higher ceiling,, how crazy would that be to think
that you could line up a WR in a rookie draft that comes in and competes immediately
with Coop and Lamb as the most lethal threat at WR.
I look at Pitts and Chase to be the best players in this draft, and in no way does that diminish how deep I believe this draft is.
Those that say this is a weak class are saying that because its very difficult to evaluate
who is exactly who because of the mass chaos that was 2020 -
This is a great draft class, where starving teams especially the Dallas Cowboys.. you need
players to start?
You have an open position on defense?
Well, the teams that truly trust their Will McClays have a chance to still catch some nice fish at the end of a long day on the lake.
 
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DB_Cooper said:
I thought Jefferson was going to be good. He had a very good CFP with Burrow and I was surprised he fell as far as he did. But I’m not a pro scout. I think Ruggs would have made our offense better because we still don’t have a deep threat to open things in the mid range. I think he might have been effective here. But perhaps that is what the Raiders were thinking and that obviously hasn’t been proven yet.
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The Vikes scored with that pick,, Jefferson finished ahead of all his draft class.
 
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DanA said:
As I recall:
  • Chaisson was considered the best position of need but recognised as a book/bust project to be developed.
  • Ruggs was a 50-50 as a player we should take, we didn’t really need a WR but he could be used and was a good player.
  • Lamb was a 90-10 as someone we couldn’t/shouldn’t pass up on. A can’t miss prospect and complete player.
But really, the reason Lamb was loved so much was because he was the complete player ready made. An almost can’t miss prospect similar to Z.Elliott, J.Ramsey, Q.Nelson, and T.Wirfs.

Compare that to this year and I would say the can’t miss prospects are Pitts and Chase. I can understand people taking the OT’s and QB’s before them but I’m almost certain those two will succeed as NFL players. I’m far less certain of Surtain.
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Lamb was never considered as he wasnt expected to fall. Even then we had a need at WR (along with DE, CB and S).

Picking Pitts or Chase results in an improved Offense but also leaves our secondary with Anthony Brown and Diggs playing a CB1 where he's better suited as a risk taking CB2.

Pitts/Chase will mean a surplus and possible trade of Gallup and Jarwin/Schultz, but that's not going to return much in any draft and doesnt free up any CAP money of note.

Further disparity between the Offense and the Defense.....this may be good to watch but isnt conducive to winning. If we can't hit Cooper and Lamb we're already doomed.
 
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locked&loaded said:
He wasnt there....and the jury is still out on ruggs.

This thread is a head scratcher. Or maybe a butt scratcher? Something definitley stinks, though.
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I'm pretty sure cowboyroy was referring to all those PRIOR to the draft that were screaming if Ruggs is still there to take him. One only needs to look at the rookie years of Lamb and Ruggs to decide if it would have been a mistake to take Ruggs instead of Lamb.
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Loso86 said:
Well if you do that we can say remember Lamb... everybody was saying we SHOULD take him. If we draft for need then we are stuck with K. Chaisson soooo lol
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I wasn't. WR was way down the list of needs for this team and I still argue a good defensive pick or an OT pick would've helped us a lot more last year than a 3rd WR.
 
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Loso86 said:
Well it wasn't it was Lamb and were better off now than if we would've taken for need and took Chaisson like most wanted. Or if not him we would've probably taken diggs which we got him in the 2nd so idk man
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yes I’m fine with what we did last year since it was lamb. But to do it again?
 
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AbeBeta said:
Typical Ron.

Changing the subject after he pollutes the board with yet another crap post
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You lied or read it wrong, simple as that.

problem with you is your so filled with rage over dak you can’t think straight. Seeing ghosts. Poor guy.
 
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CowboyRoy said:
You lied or read it wrong, simple as that.

problem with you is your so filled with rage over dak you can’t think straight. Seeing ghosts. Poor guy.
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Getting it wrong again I see. I've been all in on a Dak deal from the start and fully expected to land on 40 mill a year.
 
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I wanted Lamb if he landed to us, which he did. And he didn't disappoint. Pitts won't get close to 10 though.
 
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You don't draft Ruggs because he is going to put up huge stats. If you pick a guy like Ruggs as an every down receiver then you would be making a mistake. You pick him as a guy who may not have many receptions, but he will force defenses to respect the deep threat, to keep guys from stacking the box. AND, he will occasionally beat the defenders deep. He is a big play guy. I am not sure the Raiders used him correctly or had the opportunity to use him correctly.

In this year's draft there is Anthony Schwartz from Auburn who ran a 4.26 at his pro day. I see him the same way, but he may not be as good a receiver as Ruggs. I'd use him like DeSean Jackson to burn defenses that get too cozy playing up in the box, or where the safeties are slow reacting to deep balls - like against Xavier Woods, for example.
 
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