News: Lamb's Torrid Career Start Has NFL's Head Spinning

RonnieT24 · Nov 18, 2021

JPM said:
He averaged over 20 yards a catch and almost a 1/4 of his catches were TD's. In a time where defensive backs could man handle the receivers. Amazing.

The league had never seen anything like Bob Hayes when he showed up. He literally forced the invention of the zone defense because bump and run was never going to work on a guy who could outrun not just every other player on the field but every other person on the planet. His TD rate was absurd.. but with that speed if you didn't tackle him within a couple of strides you were never going to.

SackMaster · Nov 18, 2021

JPM said:
He averaged over 20 yards a catch and almost a 1/4 of his catches were TD's. In a time where defensive backs could man handle the receivers. Amazing.

Well, the DBs in general, were a LOT slower back then too.

Hayes didn't have the nickname "Bullet" because he was easily touched / caught / hit.
:laugh:

Reid1boys · Nov 18, 2021

Hardline said:
https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...JTJqv1XrRKfj7-5_FN8D69LvAp8bkIas19ybBGkp4POFg

The best 25-game starts by receivers in a Cowboys uniform:

PLAYER C YDS TD

Bob Hayes 100 2,092 24

Amari Cooper 132 1,914 14

CeeDee Lamb 121 1,661 12

Dez Bryant 96 1,357 15

Drew Pearson 72 1,255 3

Michael Irvin 66 1,203 8

Jason Witten 92 997 6

Tony Hill 34 584 5

Sorry, these STATS are once again meaningless. Ever wonder why every single passing stat/receiving stat that ever existed is owned by current players or players that have played within the past 5 or so years. Only the Greatness of Jerry Rice is the exception. CeeDee is off to a wonderful start, but the fact he came to a team that is basically loaded helps. Irvin came to a team that was atrocious.

If we could have a 24 year old CeeDee or 24 year old Irvin today... Id still take Irvin. Taking NOTHING away from CeeDee... Im so damn happy we have him.

Reid1boys · Nov 18, 2021

SackMaster said:
Well, the DBs in general, were a LOT slower back then too.

Hayes didn't have the nickname "Bullet" because he was easily touched / caught / hit.

they didnt have to be as fast, because George Atkinson, Jack Tatum, Ronnie Lot crippled those receivers when they tried to come over the middle, and the slowed them down quite a bit. The plays that are celebrated by the NFL films are now the same plays that get players ejected, fined and suspended.

Im thinking todays WRs are pretty happy about that.

RonnieT24 · Nov 18, 2021

SackMaster said:
Well, the DBs in general, were a LOT slower back then too.

Hayes didn't have the nickname "Bullet" because he was easily touched / caught / hit.

Ironically within a couple of years of Hayes taking the league by storm every team was out scouting really fast DBs .. The slow DBs changeover probably took less than 5 years.. All the slow corners got moved to safety to make room for the guys who could run with Hayes, Alworth, Branch et al.

Reid1boys · Nov 18, 2021

Risen Star said:
Justin Jefferson's first 25 games....

143-2,175-11

~league's head explodes~

Randy moss first 32 games:
149 Rec
2,726 yards
28 Tds

yea, the league has never seen great Wrs right out of college.

Only Rice comes close to Moss shear ability to beat the heck out of the defense all by himself.

Ranching · Nov 18, 2021

Risen Star said:
If your point here is Tony Hill sucked then I disagree.

His hidden agenda was to say that Wentz sucks

Reid1boys · Nov 18, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
Lamb plays all over the field now and is clearly the #1 WR on the Cowboys. Cooper is #2 and Gallup #3. Would you like to see the stats to prove that?

CeeDee Lamb 47 726 15.5 49 6

Amari Cooper 44 583 13.3 35 5

SO SOLLY!!! CowboyRoy is right again!!!!!!

they ask different things of different players. Stats dont tell the entire picture. But honestly, I couldnt care less if Lamb or Coopers is the 1. I like them together.

RonnieT24 · Nov 18, 2021

Reid1boys said:
they didnt have to be as fast, because George Atkinson, Jack Tatum, Ronnie Lot crippled those receivers when they tried to come over the middle, and the slowed them down quite a bit. The plays that are celebrated by the NFL films are now the same plays that get players ejected, fined and suspended.

Im thinking todays WRs are pretty happy about that.

Tatum and Atkinson were safeties and Ronnie Lott came into the league 8 years after Hayes had retired. Hayes only faced the Raiders once in his career and that was in the last game of his Cowboys career in 1974.. He was old and done by then.. Point being.. none of those guys had any impact on Hayes' career. But the Cowboys didn't send him over the middle much anyway.

CWR · Nov 18, 2021

davidyee said:
Jeebus, look at the stat line Bob Hayes put up! The yardage is ridiculous.

I wonder what his best 25 game stat is compared to the best of the NFL?

Especially in that day and age. I'm not old enough to have witnessed it, but I'm sure there are some fellas on here who can tell me how I missed out. Totally jelly.

OmerV · Nov 18, 2021

CowboyRoy said:
He was the #1 WR the moment we drafted him.

He seems to be now, but as for at the point Lamb was drafted, wouldn't the guy that had just got a $100 million contract and who went on to have more targets, receptions and yards that season have some claim to that?

RonnieT24 · Nov 18, 2021

OmerV said:
He seems to be now, but as for at the point Lamb was drafted, wouldn't the guy that had just got a $100 million contract and who went on to have more targets and yards that season have some claim to that?

Nope.. dude has declared that this year's numbers prove Lamb is the #1 but last year's numbers must be ignored because... well.. he'll have to explain that one..

OmerV · Nov 18, 2021

RonnieT24 said:
Nope.. dude has declared that this year's numbers prove Lamb is the #1 but last year's numbers must be ignored because... well.. he'll have to explain that one..

I can buy the argument that Lamb is the #1 this year, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence to say he was at the time he was drafted.

Reid1boys · Nov 18, 2021

RonnieT24 said:
Tatum and Atkinson were safeties and Ronnie Lott came into the league 8 years after Hayes had retired. Hayes only faced the Raiders once in his career and that was in the last game of his Cowboys career in 1974.. He was old and done by then.. Point being.. none of those guys had any impact on Hayes' career. But the Cowboys didn't send him over the middle much anyway.

I wasnt talking about Hayes, I was talking about receivers in general back then. Im well aware of the positions those guys played... again, point being it was WAY harder to play WR back in the day then it is today where they get to roam, fairly unimpeded all over the field.

RonnieT24 · Nov 18, 2021

OmerV said:
I can buy the argument that Lamb is the #1 this year, but there doesn't seem to be much evidence to say he was at the time he was drafted.

Actually in just about every offense the "number one receiver" is the guy who is the first read on a given play. I would all but guarantee that on most plays that we run that guy is Amari Cooper. Now what happens with most #1 receivers is that if they are any good teams double them or roll the coverage to force you to go to the next read. In most offenses that will be the next guy in, which will be the slot man in some formations and the tight end in others. On teams where the #2 receiver sucks teams will force the ball to the #1 even if he's covered. That's not the case with this team. Our #2 receiver is really good whether you consider it to be Lamb or Gallup. Now with Gallup back Lamb is playing more in the slot.. which gives him a favorable matchup agaisnt any team in the league. He should eat that for lunch all day. People worrying about the #1, #2, #3 designations are missing the point. Nobody in that locker room cares.. Neither should we.

RonnieT24 · Nov 18, 2021

Reid1boys said:
I wasnt talking about Hayes, I was talking about receivers in general back then. Im well aware of the positions those guys played... again, point being it was WAY harder to play WR back in the day then it is today where they get to roam, fairly unimpeded all over the field.

Oh I know it is MUCH easier to play WR in the NFL now.. The rule changes have put skirts on them to match the skirts they've put on QBs. That's why the numbers Hayes and other dominant receivers put up in those days are so amazing. Their degree of difficulty was much much higher. Not even a question. We're on the same page.

LovinItAll · Nov 18, 2021

Hardline said:
https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news...JTJqv1XrRKfj7-5_FN8D69LvAp8bkIas19ybBGkp4POFg

The best 25-game starts by receivers in a Cowboys uniform:

PLAYER C YDS TD

Bob Hayes 100 2,092 24

Amari Cooper 132 1,914 14

CeeDee Lamb 121 1,661 12

Dez Bryant 96 1,357 15

Drew Pearson 72 1,255 3

Michael Irvin 66 1,203 8

Jason Witten 92 997 6

Tony Hill 34 584 5

Hope they figure out how, but with the emergence of Lamb and the cap issues we have, not sure how we keep Amari next year. I know there are plenty of folks who think losing him won’t be a a big deal, but I’m not one of them.

I hate the hard cap, but it’s easy to hate it when you have an owner who would absolutely spend the money to get the best players. There are many teams with cheap owners. We aren’t one of them.

visionary · Nov 18, 2021

davidyee said:
Jeebus, look at the stat line Bob Hayes put up! The yardage is ridiculous.

I wonder what his best 25 game stat is compared to the best of the NFL?

even better if you put it in perspective of when he did it when we didn’t have these high flying offenses and defenses could actually tackle and hit

Tractor1 · Nov 18, 2021

The

CowboysWillRise said:
Especially in that day and age. I'm not old enough to have witnessed it, but I'm sure there are some fellas on here who can tell me how I missed out. Totally jelly.

The Cowboys were poised to take the Packers apart ....then the Ice Bowl happened. The weather removed all advantages the Cowboys had put together. Hayes being a major factor.

blueblood70 · Nov 18, 2021

JD_KaPow said:
Except that Cooper had more catches and yards last season. Which are apparently your criteria for #1, based on your other post.
And of course, Lamb only has 3 more catches this year than Cooper, despite Cooper being gimpy for several games along the way.
Why it's important that one of them be "#1" and the other not is beyond me.

cooper wasn't a rookie and already a seasoned WR

its not a fair comp top even add him..if we do that then where does TO place?

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