News: Marcus Spears Says Jerry is Eyeing Payton

DonaldM · May 12, 2022

quickccc said:
- Contrary to what some may think, .McCarthy did not bring Quinn in, ..management brought Quinn in for McCarthy. if it was up to MM, ..his hand picked DC Mike Nolan would
have been right back here a 2nd year as DC.

- Along with the DL coach Jim Tomsula (who management despised and could not wait to fire per Gregory vs Aldon Smith)
Nolan was an utter embarrassment to the organization, broke team records for worst defense ever and they did not want to be in position for a repeat.
Like it or not, that's already a strike against McCarthy's continuation as Cowboys HC. game management, halftime adjustments or lack thereof, slow there of,
how team response thru him,.. in-house coaching adjustments.

- While i really believe the Jones handcuffed McCarthy and any suggested offense he could have added to K-Moore, i also think they are observing and having thoughts
and mind made up about MM that could serve a short ending to his regime here.

Good points dang near forgot about Nolan. No clue who brought in Quinn. Was Quinn even considered for the HC position before MM hiring?

Coogiguy03 · May 12, 2022

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
Payton used Alvin Kamara very well. I would love for him to come here and use Pollard the same way. But Payton may not be any different than McCarthy. If he has to keep Moore and let Moore run the offense without Intervening, he's doomed.

Some will say Payton is no better than McCarthy, because they both only won one Super Bowl with Hall of Fame QB's. But I think Payton gets more respect from Jerry. Which means more control. McCarthy is the ugly duckling due to lack of control, IMO. So bringing in Payton or giving MM more control is even steven in my book.

When the time comes I think MM will say...It's not me it's Moore. The guy you made me keep is messing things up. If it were up to me I'd be doing this and that. So I think McCarthy is just holding on to that trump card for now. He'll play it when he needs it.

Stipulation would be to keep Moore lol

Point-of-the-Star · May 12, 2022

KJJ said:
Dan Quinn has a lot better chance of becoming the Cowboys next HC than Sean Payton. Payton was the assistant HC under Bill Parcells in Dallas. He already knows what it’s like to work for Jerry. He’ll want no part of the Cowboys head coaching job. Besides McCarthy is making less than half what Payton was making in New Orleans. Jerry isn’t going to pay what Sean Payton’s asking price would be even if he was open to being the HC. Better brace yourselves for Dan Quinn if it doesn’t work out for McCarthy this season.

Just to play devil's advocate to your suppositions:

- I'd say in year 3 Fat Mac knows what it's like to coach under Jerrah's thumb too

- Jerry is and has been relinquishing control of the Cowboys for almost a decade now. Stephen is the know-it-all problem now

- Surely you don't think a multi-billionaire who has a $250M yacht that cost millions a year to maintain/own is gonna balk at paying Payton more, much more, than McCarthy makes and than Payton made at NO. Jerry will pay. He'll die soon and he wants another trophy and will pay for it.

- You say Payton knows how Jerrah operates well certainly Quinn does too. The same thinking applies to Quinn as the point you were trying to make about Payton when he was under Parcells. Exactly the same situation.

The only thing that gets me about the Payton to Dallas as HC thingy is why did Payton sign a 5 year contract with NO right before he left.

The only thing that saves Fat Mac here is a run to the SB or damn near it.

fivetwos · May 12, 2022

Risen Star said:
I can't wait. It's going to be so great to replace this head coach with someone with an identical resume and the exact same level of success. It's the answer to all our problems.

I dunno. Ultimate results don't always tell the true tale.

If an obvious PI call goes the right way, and Scott Norwood can make a fairly routine kick, Payton would likely have twice the SB wins as his mentor.

I understand that the numbers between MM and Payton are similar, but I think Payton is a better overall football coach and would command more respect than MM.

I've never heard Drew Brees say that Payton has a low football IQ. That's certainly part of it for me.

KJJ · May 12, 2022

Hadenough said:
I actually like Quinn but I don't think money would the issue with Payton. Payton would want full control where Quinn would be fine with Jerry doing the grocery shopping.

Dan Quinn is one of those who’s better suited as a coordinator than an HC that’s already been proven in Seattle and with the Cowboys. Sean Payton would want a lot of money and a lot more control than what Jerry would be willing to give. Jerry’s not going to pay a lot of money to an HC who isn’t being given much control. There’s coaches that would take less money than McCarthy is getting to be a bystander on the sidelines for the Cowboys. Despite numerous coaching changes and personnel moves nothing ever changes with the team because the man at the top continues pulling all the strings.

KJJ · May 12, 2022

Point-of-the-Star said:
Just to play devil's advocate to your suppositions:

- I'd say in year 3 Fat Mac knows what it's like to coach under Jerrah's thumb too

- Jerry is and has been relinquishing control of the Cowboys for almost a decade now. Stephen is the know-it-all problem now

- Surely you don't think a multi-billionaire who has a $250M yacht that cost millions a year to maintain/own is gonna balk at paying Payton more, much more, than McCarthy makes and than Payton made at NO. Jerry will pay. He'll die soon and he wants another trophy and will pay for it.

- You say Payton knows how Jerrah operates well certainly Quinn does too. The same thinking applies to Quinn as the point you were trying to make about Payton when he was under Parcells. Exactly the same situation.

The only thing that gets me about the Payton to Dallas as HC thingy is why did Payton sign a 5 year contract with NO right before he left.

The only thing that saves Fat Mac here is a run to the SB or damn near it.

Jerry had his chance to hire Sean Payton as the Cowboys HC years ago but allowed him to get away. The only reason Sean Payton left the Cowboys was because he got offered a HC job with New Orleans. It worked out great for him because he got a lot more control in New Orleans than he would’ve ever gotten with the Cowboys under Jerry. He’s had success as an HC and he’s not going to want to come to a team where he’s not likely to have the same success. He’s well aware of what’s gone on with the Cowboys the past 27 years. He’s an old HC who stepped down because he was burned out.

Dan Quinn on the other hand was fired by the Falcons as their head coach. Other than the one Super Bowl year where his team blew the largest lead in Super Bowl history he didn’t have a lot of success as a HC. He would jump at the opportunity to coach the Cowboys and I believe that’s one of the reasons he decided to stay with the Cowboys. He knows if it doesn’t work out with McCarthy he’s likely to be the next in line for the job.

RustyBourneHorse · May 12, 2022

quickccc said:
- Contrary to what some may think, .McCarthy did not bring Quinn in, ..management brought Quinn in for McCarthy. if it was up to MM, ..his hand picked DC Mike Nolan would
have been right back here a 2nd year as DC.

- Along with the DL coach Jim Tomsula (who management despised and could not wait to fire per Gregory vs Aldon Smith)
Nolan was an utter embarrassment to the organization, broke team records for worst defense ever and they did not want to be in position for a repeat.
Like it or not, that's already a strike against McCarthy's continuation as Cowboys HC. game management, halftime adjustments or lack thereof, slow there of,
how team response thru him,.. in-house coaching adjustments.

- While i really believe the Jones handcuffed McCarthy and any suggested offense he could have added to K-Moore, i also think they are observing and having thoughts
and mind made up about MM that could serve a short ending to his regime here.

Ah, I thought Mike did. Well, still, we were lucky Quinn was available. He's made our defence night and day better. I expect that Mike is going to be heavily feeling pressure if he intends to stay beyond this season.

RustyBourneHorse · May 12, 2022

DonaldM said:
Good points dang near forgot about Nolan. No clue who brought in Quinn. Was Quinn even considered for the HC position before MM hiring?

Doubt it. I think he was the Falcons HC at that time.

CowboyFanInLexKy · May 12, 2022

Bullflop said:
Eyeing Payton and getting Payton are two very different things. Jerry might be eyeing him but Payton has an agenda that doesn't include Jerry. He'll be doing some active broadcasting for the foreseeable future. I doubt Payton will look to Jerry to be his future boss if his broadcasting venture is less than successful. As far as Mike McCarthy is concerned, the upcoming season needs to prove a success if he's likely to remain the Cowboys' HC. If that doesn't materialize, look for Dan Quinn to replace him as the Cowboys' HC. In that event, don't be shocked if Kellen Moore joins MM on the unemployed list.

I was with you all the way up to the bolded.... Though I would love to see that happen, it's not going to happen.... Jerry wanted KM to be his next project. If he was to fire KM, that would be admitting he was wrong. That definitely isn't going to happen. I doubt Jerry makes KM the new HC but he isn't going to fire KM...

RustyBourneHorse · May 12, 2022

Point-of-the-Star said:
Just to play devil's advocate to your suppositions:

- I'd say in year 3 Fat Mac knows what it's like to coach under Jerrah's thumb too

- Jerry is and has been relinquishing control of the Cowboys for almost a decade now. Stephen is the know-it-all problem now

- Surely you don't think a multi-billionaire who has a $250M yacht that cost millions a year to maintain/own is gonna balk at paying Payton more, much more, than McCarthy makes and than Payton made at NO. Jerry will pay. He'll die soon and he wants another trophy and will pay for it.

- You say Payton knows how Jerrah operates well certainly Quinn does too. The same thinking applies to Quinn as the point you were trying to make about Payton when he was under Parcells. Exactly the same situation.

The only thing that gets me about the Payton to Dallas as HC thingy is why did Payton sign a 5 year contract with NO right before he left.

The only thing that saves Fat Mac here is a run to the SB or damn near it.

Well, the other thing is, Quinn was incredibly unlucky to not have joined the Mike and Sean Lombardi conversation. The catch by Edelman and that comeback was so unlucky for Quinn. I think he should be held in the same convo as a result.

RustyBourneHorse · May 12, 2022

CowboyFanInLexKy said:
I was with you all the way up to the bolded.... Though I would love to see that happen, it's not going to happen.... Jerry wanted KM to be his next project. If he was to fire KM, that would be admitting he was wrong. That definitely isn't going to happen. I doubt Jerry makes KM the new HC but he isn't going to fire KM...

Unless Boise State or some other college like Washington (Kellen's mentor went there after Boise State) comes smashing down Kellen's door.

Bullflop · May 12, 2022

CowboyFanInLexKy said:
I was with you all the way up to the bolded.... Though I would love to see that happen, it's not going to happen.... Jerry wanted KM to be his next project. If he was to fire KM, that would be admitting he was wrong. That definitely isn't going to happen. I doubt Jerry makes KM the new HC but he isn't going to fire KM...

Never say never -- even Jerry surprises every now and then, especially when everyone and their granny has been on KM's back lately. Maybe it somehow happens and maybe it doesn't but I think it would behoove this FO to shuffle the deck, if and when this team has a considerable swoon. That may well not be the case but that's not to say it can't happen.

KJJ · May 12, 2022

Marcus Spears is just going along with what everyone else has been saying since Sean Payton stepped down in New Orleans.

fivetwos · May 12, 2022

For the next HC being Quinn crew.....

Think about what has to happen for McCarthy to be gone in the first place.....failure.

Would Quinn not be a part of that? Even if debatable how does Jerry sell it to the fans?

As much as I like DQ as a DC, I'm meh on him as a HC, and the scenario by which he becomes exactly that in Dallas is sort of remote IMO.

KJJ · May 12, 2022

All these rumors swirling about Sean Payton being the Cowboys next HC and McCarthy not being around after this season isn’t conducive to a having a good 2022 season in my opinion. It’s almost like everyone is expecting the worse for McCarthy and the Cowboys this season. Hard to have a good season with a big black cloud hanging over your HC. Reminds me of all the talk about Jason Garrett eventually taking over for Wade Phillips. It ended up leading to an awful season in 2010. It’s never real good having a HC having to look over their shoulder. McCarthy has Sean Payton and Dan Quinn waiting in the wings to take his job if you believe what’s being reported.

Cowpolk · May 12, 2022

I do not like Peyton we already have a coach with the same resume

conner01 · May 12, 2022

TRUTH87 said:
Lateral move IMO

I don’t know that
But I don’t know that it’s as great as people think
A HOF QB is what it took for him to win
The defenses at NO were great which wasn’t anything to do with him

quickccc · May 12, 2022

RustyBourneHorse said:
Doubt it. I think he was the Falcons HC at that time.

Yes, you're right. Quinn was still head coaching the ATL Falcons in 2020,.when McCarthy was now HC here, when we rally to beat Quinn's Falcons with a late FG to win the game

conner01 · May 12, 2022

KJJ said:
All these rumors swirling about Sean Payton being the Cowboys next HC and McCarthy not being around after this season isn’t conducive to a having a good 2022 season in my opinion. It’s almost like everyone is expecting the worse for McCarthy and the Cowboys this season. Hard to have a good season with a big black cloud hanging over your HC. Reminds me of all the talk about Jason Garrett eventually taking over for Wade Phillips. It ended up leading to an awful season in 2010. It’s never real good having a HC having to look over their shoulder. McCarthy has Sean Payton and Dan Quinn waiting in the wings to take his job if you listen to everyone.

And not one person talking about it has any idea what Jerry is thinking
Next year getting Payton would not be a smart move to me because of the costs
A couple years that will change
I also think Quinn stayed for a reason

RustyBourneHorse · May 12, 2022

quickccc said:
Yes, you're right. Quinn was still head coaching the ATL Falcons in 2020,.when McCarthy was now HC here, when we rally to beat Quinn's Falcons with a late FG to win the game

Which goes to show how unlucky he was with the Falcons as HC.

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