Twitter: Dan Orlovsky's Lists Of QBs You Win Games With And QBs You Win Games Because Of In The NFL

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Adreme said:
I would also bet on the pre injury version considering that is the version we were seeing 2 years ago as well (Dak lead the NFL in passing for something like 3 weeks after his injury 2 years ago). Also it is a calf injury and while annoying they tend not to be permanent inuries.
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What is pre-injury version Dak?

Are you basing "pre-injury Dak" on that 6 game stretch last year level that he has never played at before or since and ignoring the other 5 years worth of games? Does "pre injury Dak" include the 2017 and 2018 version of Dak also?
 
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MountaineerCowboy said:
What is pre-injury version Dak?

Are you basing "pre-injury Dak" on that 6 game stretch last year that he has never played at before or since and ignoring the other 5 years worth of games?
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2016 Dak was lights out. He was running neck and neck with the great Aaron Rodgers. Unless we believe he has badly regressed, he didnt suddenly forget how to be that guy still. My $ IS ON DAK.
 

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MountaineerCowboy said:
What is pre-injury version Dak?

Are you basing "pre-injury Dak" on that 6 game stretch last year level that he has never played at before or since and ignoring the other 5 years worth of games? Does "pre injury Dak" include the 2017 and 2018 version of Dak also?
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Actually the opposite. I am looking at trends and you only have a blip to go on to say he is not.

We have the pre injury stretch last year and the pre injury stretch 2 years where he looked fantastic. Then we have 2019 where he looked really good. So basically we have his baseline year as a rookie and then 1.5 years of bad (little less but I will round up) before seeing good at the end of 2018 with growth into 2019 and very high level play in 2020 before an injury and that same level of production in 2021 again before a different injury. At this point the concern is health not ability. The ability has clearly been demonstrated to be there and you have to be in denial not to see it.
 
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2016 Dak was lights out. He was running neck and neck with the great Aaron Rodgers. Unless we believe he has badly regressed, he didnt suddenly forget how to be that guy still. My $ IS ON DAK.
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He wasn't even close to Aaron Rodgers, but 2016 Dak is the best Dak.
 
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Actually the opposite. I am looking at trends and you only have a blip to go on to say he is not.

We have the pre injury stretch last year and the pre injury stretch 2 years where he looked fantastic. Then we have 2019 where he looked really good. So basically we have his baseline year as a rookie and then 1.5 years of bad (little less but I will round up) before seeing good at the end of 2018 with growth into 2019 and very high level play in 2020 before an injury and that same level of production in 2021 again before a different injury. At this point the concern is health not ability. The ability has clearly been demonstrated to be there and you have to be in denial not to see it.
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When is the ability going to show against good teams in the league more consistently?

When is the ability going to show when we don't get 100 rushing yards? We lost every game with Dak last year when we didn't get 100 yards rushing.

When is the ability going to show when we need him to shoulder the load every now and then?

That's all I'm asking.
 
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MountaineerCowboy said:
He wasn't even close to Aaron Rodgers, but 2016 Dak is the best Dak.
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think again. Go look up his QBR that year and the other stats. Just sayin man..he can still be that guy, and until he was hurt last year and dinged ^, he was Awesome. I think the nagging injuries affected him in the head as well.
 
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Major self own siding with Danny and his bizarre Dak hate. He just makes stuff up!
 
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think again. Go look up his QBR that year and the other stats. Just sayin man..he can still be that guy, and until he was hurt last year and dinged ^, he was Awesome. I think the nagging injuries affected him in the head as well.
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Rodgers QBR was 10 points higher in 2016 lol

I don't share your enthusiasm for the simple fact that 2016 Dak ran the ball and he doesn't seem too keen on doing that anymore.
 
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Rayman70 said:
2016 Dak was lights out. He was running neck and neck with the great Aaron Rodgers. Unless we believe he has badly regressed, he didnt suddenly forget how to be that guy still. My $ IS ON DAK.
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Dak still has fans? There are actual people that still think #4 has the goods? Wake up people. Dak is the garbage time stat guy. Run up the numbers on Washington guy. He is not lead the team to playoff success guy.
 
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This Orlovsky dude just said that Dak hasn't been the same since Demarco Murray left Dallas.
 
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Point being that a jag like Goff got them to the show, with less talent. Stafford put them over the hump, with added talent.
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Why do I feel like if we won the Super Bowl you wouldn't be talking about the talent around Dak as to not discredit or belittle his contributions like you're doing Stafford?
 
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Mr Cowboy said:
Point being that a jag like Goff got them to the show, with less talent. Stafford put them over the hump, with added talent.
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You think OBJ plays for Rams with Goff? Nope. He isn't signing there. Guys like OBJ know good QBs and offense style is how they get paid. U think Miller is going there with Goff? Nope. Have to have an elite QB to even get these free agents to want to play for your team.
 

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MountaineerCowboy said:
When is the ability going to show against good teams in the league more consistently?

When is the ability going to show when we don't get 100 rushing yards? We lost every game with Dak last year when we didn't get 100 yards rushing.

When is the ability going to show when we need him to shoulder the load every now and then?

That's all I'm asking.
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Before jumping in I would point out that prior to this season the Cowboys had gone more than 2 full NFL seasons losing every single game where they did not score 30 points. That is an insane statistic. Good teams are either at .500 in those games or 1 game under (Cowboys were 4-5 last year in those games which is very normal for good teams). Losing every single one basically says that if the offense doesnt show up for a week the team cannot win which is not practical. Even the Chiefs win games 17-14 sometimes and they had the best QB, best TE, and best WR in football (and best C with an overall OLine above average).

As for the 100 yards thing that statistic does not say what you are implying it says. It is up there with that stat that says teams win more when they rush more than 25 times which if we are being honest is an obvious statement. The reason being that you are often not winning because you are running the ball but running the ball because you are winning which leads to more attempts and yards.

As for the quality of competition I would wonder what makes Dak unique in that regard. I watch Rodgers, Mahomes, Herbert, even Josh Allen, and all of them look vastly worse when playing good teams. It turns out that when facing good teams you cannot score at will. That is not reasonable. What you can do is score enough to win. Those games come down to a couple plays and the question is who makes them (which is the main reason I do not like having a WR with bad hands as the number 1).
 
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Dan Orlovsky??? We're taking this guy's word??

What category would he put himself in?

Putting the Dak debate aside this entire list would carry more weight if it came from, say, Troy Aikman, Brett Favre, Drew Brees, etc.. Not some schmuck that couldn't even hold a backup job at the NFL level and whose claim to fame is running out of his own endzone on blooper reels.
 
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Isn’t Dan the Lion’s QB that ran out of bounds on its own endzone while trying to escape from Allen?
Lol
 
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