Why are we running the ball effectively with Rush but not with Dak?

pansophy · Sep 27, 2022

JayFord said:
We do run the ball effectivly with Dak

but Kellen has a thing for dak throwing it 60 times a game

Actually, it appears Dak audibles out of running plays a lot based on the formation. Cooper is mainly just running the plays as called.

Bob-Lillys-War · Sep 27, 2022

Kellen's offense is predictable with Dak , and he won't adjust .

With Rush , he has one starting game this season and there is still almost no tape .

Once the teams study Rush , Im sorry to say that we are stuck with Kellen being EXPOSED again.

There is just no tape on Rush .

kskboys · Sep 27, 2022

conner01 said:
We aren’t playing the Bucs

That is a factor.

Ekspozed · Sep 27, 2022

CouchCoach said:
Did you think the Joneses would pony up that kind of money and not demand he be made a star to justify it? Booger cannot stand any form of criticism so Moore got his marching orders that Prescott has to be a top tier for the old fool's ego.

No way can Prescott be thought of as a bus driver or a Cousins comparison.

The idiot son went as far as to say Prescott is a top 3 QB and nobody has him close to that level. And that puts additional pressure on Prescott.

I find it interesting that Orlovsky and Young both think they should run the O they're running with Rush for Prescott when he comes back, it is so evident there are two different offenses.

Booger must have stars to market. Did you hear what he said about Parsons? "We've got big plans for Micah Parsons". What a completely ridiculous statement to make, players make their own plans through their play. He's so arrogant, he wants to take some of the shine from Parsons' natural talent. Without our plan, he's just a player.

Dak checked out of 14 runs week 1.

Dak has final say on field if it's run or pass.

Your hate for Jerry is just weird, relax a little. He shouldn't work you up so much.

CowboyRoy · Sep 27, 2022

RushScott2024 said:
He can do it, but how often do we win?

We have won plenty. Ironically, over the last several years, its the only way we have won.

Now that we actually have a defense, that might change.

CowboyRoy · Sep 27, 2022

Diehardblues said:
Yea, this is a problem as well. We get behind and abort running game .

When we have our most success with Dak we play better with the lead. Like most teams probably do.

You can substitute the word Dak with QB. QB's do better with a run game that they can get play action off of. They also do better with a good defense. This is football and QB 101. Dak is no different then any other in that regard.

Floatyworm · Sep 27, 2022

kskboys said:
Why are we running the ball effectively w/ Rush, but mostly could not do so w/ Dak? I absolutely cannot wrap my head around this one. What's the big difference? Does Dak have a tell? I mean, we're just not seeing defenders meeting RB's in the backfield as we did before.

Any ideas?

Cracks me up people believe teams respect/fear Dak able to beat teams deep on a consistent basis. Hence...teams crowd the line daring Dak. Rush on the other hand...is able to hit that window on the deep fade route....not only hit it...but puts it right on the money.

PAPPYDOG · Sep 27, 2022

kskboys said:
Why are we running the ball effectively w/ Rush, but mostly could not do so w/ Dak? I absolutely cannot wrap my head around this one. What's the big difference? Does Dak have a tell? I mean, we're just not seeing defenders meeting RB's in the backfield as we did before.

Any ideas?

When you have a better passing game this opens up the running game...........

Streifenkarl · Sep 27, 2022

thunderpimp91 said:
This could easily turn into a 10 page thread as the answer really isnt super simple.

1) Zeke being injured last year really hurt our ability to run
2) So far this year Tampa Bay was by far the best run defense we have faced
3) Dak has a tendency to check out of runs more often than Cooper Rush has shown so far
4) Very possible KM took more of a "back to basics" approach once Rush became the starter
5) Fewer penalties the last couple weeks - fewer situations of 10+ yards to go means more ability to run the football
6) We are seeing more downfield attempts right now than we have in recent Dak history. - This one may be incorrect as I didnt look up the data, but it certainly feels like Rush is taking more shots down field, and even those mid range throws.

and the list can go on and on. I have a ton of ideas as to why, but I struggle to pin point just once answer.

The prize is behind gate number 4. And that was the key to winning games 3 and 2. Which makes it the number 1 strategy.

This and the awesome defense.

They think Dak is good enough for all the fancy stuff but maybe they should stick with the conservative approach once he's back.

buybuydandavis · Sep 28, 2022

kskboys said:
Why are we running the ball effectively w/ Rush, but mostly could not do so w/ Dak? I absolutely cannot wrap my head around this one. What's the big difference? Does Dak have a tell? I mean, we're just not seeing defenders meeting RB's in the backfield as we did before.

Any ideas?

Tyler Smith was thrown back to LT after playing LG all offseason. Then McGovern out and Farniok in. Martin started the season rusty - for him.

Rookie TEs may already block better than Schulz. And running with Peters in gave us some nice plays.

The oline upswing should continue when we get Farniok out for Peters.

Another thing - I think Rush plays under center more, giving the RBs a downhill run off the snap instead of a standing start next to the QB as in shotgun.

GINeric · Sep 28, 2022

JayFord said:
We do run the ball effectivly with Dak

but Kellen has a thing for dak throwing it 60 times a game

BINGO!!!! They were just talking about that this morning on the show Get Up.

How our receivng lanes were much more open with Rush than they were with Dak because of a heavier dose of the RUNNING GAME!!!

GINeric · Sep 28, 2022

CouchCoach said:
And you think he doesn't want to be a star like Allen, Mahomes and Rodgers? He sees and hears all the negative chatter. What was that he said? Oh yeah, he wants to be the best Cowboys QB in history.

You make great points, but I doubt he would want to sabotage team wins to try to be like those other great quarterbacks you've named.

Those are elite quarterbacks, Dak isn't that. He's very good but not elite.

cowboyed · Sep 28, 2022

kskboys said:
Why are we running the ball effectively w/ Rush, but mostly could not do so w/ Dak? I absolutely cannot wrap my head around this one. What's the big difference? Does Dak have a tell? I mean, we're just not seeing defenders meeting RB's in the backfield as we did before.

Any ideas?

Because the Giants aren't the best at run stopping and our offensive line isn't as bad as it is cracked out to be. Having Peters in on some critical blocking plays didn't hurt my feelings.

StuckMojo · Sep 28, 2022

It seemed we ran more plays from under center which I think fits Zeke’s style of running. It also helps with play action and keeps the D honest. One thing I noticed though was several plays Rush would kill a play and majority of time it was a slow handoff behind LG, which I think is our weakest blocker.

Doomsday101 · Sep 28, 2022

2 things, Dallas is showing more dedication to the run which started during training camp and 2 the OL has been playing much better.

CWR · Sep 28, 2022

kskboys said:
Why are we running the ball effectively w/ Rush, but mostly could not do so w/ Dak? I absolutely cannot wrap my head around this one. What's the big difference? Does Dak have a tell? I mean, we're just not seeing defenders meeting RB's in the backfield as we did before.

Any ideas?

We were running the ball effectively week 1. Why we didn't continue to is beyond me.

You could argue KM wasn't calling it or Dak was audibling out.

quickccc · Sep 28, 2022

Kellen places far more confidence and responsibility load on Dak than Cooper.

Zeke was averaging 5 yards per carry vs Bucs who are one of the better run defenses in NFL, but leave to Kellen to stray away from it - and lead with the pass rather than
giving us a duo balance threat

even one Buc player said , " we knew they were Not gonna stay with the run ... "

CWR · Sep 28, 2022

HonoluluCowboy said:
This post is crap . Show Dak's stats against winning teams . And leave the garbage padded stats off, as thats what has bolstered his stats past year . He is awful against winning teams . How many times were we down 20+ last year and he threw for 200+ yards in the 4th, but only had less than 100 thru 3 quarters . T

DAK BLOWS

Such a sorry argument. Most qbs aren't good against winning teams.

Josh Allen was 12-15
Kyle Murray 3-13
Herbert 1-5
STAFFORD 11-72
Rodgers 36-43

And so on....

https://sportsandfitnessdigest.com/active-nfl-quarterback-records-against-winning-teams/

There's only a couple who have winning percentage. Do better man.

Blackrain · Sep 28, 2022

noshame said:
The defense for dak is move the corners back give him the sidelines, he won't throw there. force him to throw in the middle with the safety's tight . This cloggs the middle, he won't throw into tight windows. It also cloggs the run game.
They tried this with Rush and he made them pay, throwing the ball deeper
They started playing cover 2 and all of the sudden are running game opened up So there's your answer.
Stick with rush we'll have great running attack

Yep when a team starts to respect your passing game and stop loading the box and challenging you to pass All of a sudden you're running game looks a lot better.

Who would have thought???

zeke21 · Sep 28, 2022

Dak is a selfish QB that audibles out of the run far too often so he can 'be the man'. Yes Moore is crap but Dak doesn't help.

It does help that D's don't have the same tape on Rush.. which is the same argument of why Romo should have got his job back all those years ago.. Dak looked great because he was in a situation to look great. We just lost our minds and here we sit five years later.. with an overpaid dud of a QB and nothing to show for a very talented roster.

I have always maintained that Daks early career success was on the back of Zeke being a dominant back at the time. It still holds true.. Dak only looks good when our running game looks good. Unfortunately EVERY team knows to clog up the run and force Dak to beat you with his arm.. most of the time he fails in that assignment.

Rush has already shown that he will throw the ball wide and often.. spreading out the defence and allowing our backs to hit holes.

The truly scary thing is that Rush does look better than Dak.. and Rush is not a very good NFL QB..

Why are we running the ball effectively with Rush but not with Dak?

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