Cowboys had a deal to move back into third round for another lineman, Stephen Jones says

Mrdude108 · May 11, 2014

Sounds like that NFLN "A football life" about the Great Wall of Dallas got them hyped up about the offensive line and what it is capable of doing that they decided to go hard at fortifying it.

Risen Star · May 11, 2014

rocyaice said:
That's not entirely true. This year was a very deep draft and next year is anticipated to be a very weak one. Not to mention any other year Trai would've been atleast a 2nd rounder but he fell. I personally would risk the 2nd rounder to get a guard in here NOW as a opposed to a year later.

I wouldn't. The player I can get in the middle of round 2 next year will be better than any player at the bottom of this year's 3rd round. There is no way of knowing how strong a draft will be a year away from it. You don't know how these players will develop this year nor do you know which underclassmen will declare. You stick to the general rule and don't trade a 2 for a 3.

Not that I consider Trai Turner some 3rd round gem anyway. He went right where he should have, IMO.

Maxmadden · May 11, 2014

speedkilz88 said:
We were discussing trading down with the Martin pick and getting Lawrence in the later first instead.

Oops my bad. I have very poor hindsight.

jobberone · May 11, 2014

Zordon said:
maybe them going after trai means they like martin at RT or at least want to give him a shot there.

Oh, I don't doubt that. It's always better to pay someone on a rookie contract than a vet on their second or third contract. They need to consider replacing Free before having to pay him again.

TheMarathonContinues · May 11, 2014

Risen Star said:
I wouldn't. The player I can get in the middle of round 2 next year will be better than any player at the bottom of this year's 3rd round. There is no way of knowing how strong a draft will be a year away from it. You don't know how these players will develop this year nor do you know which underclassmen will declare. You stick to the general rule and don't trade a 2 for a 3.

Not that I consider Trai Turner some 3rd round gem anyway. He went right where he should have, IMO.

You get a gist though. People have been calling this years draft deep for about 2 or 3 years now. You kind of known a year+ in advance what kind of draft you have ahead of you.

You may be right. I can't sit here and say i've watched a lot of Trai Turner games. I'm just speaking strictly if you had a high grade on a player that you feel next year would be better than anyone you can get in the 2nd? I'd do it. Especially if you are going to continue to pick in the mid rounds of each draft.

jobberone · May 11, 2014

Risen Star said:
I wouldn't. The player I can get in the middle of round 2 next year will be better than any player at the bottom of this year's 3rd round. There is no way of knowing how strong a draft will be a year away from it. You don't know how these players will develop this year nor do you know which underclassmen will declare. You stick to the general rule and don't trade a 2 for a 3.

Not that I consider Trai Turner some 3rd round gem anyway. He went right where he should have, IMO.

While I agree you often get a better player in a higher round it isn't consistently so.

visionary · May 11, 2014

rocyaice said:
So you draft a guard this year instead of next? How is that a terrible move? Unless next year you find someone of Trai's potential in the 3rd round.....but that's no sure bet. I personally wouldn't have a problem with it. In my mind, there's no difference in when you do it. You get a guard this year with your 3rd rounder or next year with your 3rd rounder. Or potentially 2nd rounder.

There will be a better player at the cowboys rd 2 pick next year than trai turner

L-O-Jete · May 12, 2014

visionary said:
There will be a better player at the cowboys rd 2 pick next year than trai turner

I'm also willing to bet that is the case.

I like Zack and he was the right pick there, but if you were so intent on drafting Lawrence, the right MOVE was to trade down in this draft (that is so deep that you want to trade a 2nd next year for a late 3rd...) even if the "value" didn't add up, instead of trading up and losing that 3rd.

I can't remember a single time I thought "man they sure did the right thing trading that high pick, for a lower last year..."

26-Lawrence 47-Jernigan 78-G. Jackson 83-K. Martin vs. 16-Z. Martin 34-Lawrence...

Considering this team is not 1 or 2 players away... You tell me.

Vintage · May 12, 2014

Risen Star said:
I wouldn't. The player I can get in the middle of round 2 next year will be better than any player at the bottom of this year's 3rd round. There is no way of knowing how strong a draft will be a year away from it. You don't know how these players will develop this year nor do you know which underclassmen will declare. You stick to the general rule and don't trade a 2 for a 3.

Not that I consider Trai Turner some 3rd round gem anyway. He went right where he should have, IMO.

I agree. I am glad the trade didn't go through.

I am also glad the team wants to continue investing in the OL even after spending three first round picks in the past four years.

dogunwo · May 12, 2014

OhSnap said:
I think they on the hook for a 7th to Indi for the Selvie deal.

Which ended up being a good deal

ajk23az · May 12, 2014

OhSnap said:
I think they on the hook for a 7th to Indi for the Selvie deal.

Ummm, Selvie was not traded to us by Indy...

Caesar Rayford was.

OhSnap · May 12, 2014

ajk23az said:
Ummm, Selvie was not traded to us by Indy...

Caesar Rayford was.

I've been goin with that for almost a year now and mentioned it several times. You the first person to correct me, thanks. I musta got a bad piece of chicken somewhere.
The good news is we're off the hook for that 7th rounder

OmerV · May 12, 2014

Eddie said:
Good idea. Let's start trading away future picks.

I love these guys.

So they get the pick this year instead of next. Why is that a problem? It's not as if they haven't both traded away future picks and received future picks as parts of deals, or as if other teams haven't as well. They weren't talking about trading away an entire future draft.

speedkilz88 · May 12, 2014

L-O-Jete said:
I'm also willing to bet that is the case.

I like Zack and he was the right pick there, but if you were so intent on drafting Lawrence, the right MOVE was to trade down in this draft (that is so deep that you want to trade a 2nd next year for a late 3rd...) even if the "value" didn't add up, instead of trading up and losing that 3rd.

I can't remember a single time I thought "man they sure did the right thing trading that high pick, for a lower last year..."

26-Lawrence 47-Jernigan 78-G. Jackson 83-K. Martin vs. 16-Z. Martin 34-Lawrence...

Considering this team is not 1 or 2 players away... You tell me.

I guess it depends if you want two players with 1st round grades (supposedly #11 and #20 on their board) or two 3rds. But 78 would not have been Jackson or Martin it would have been Trai Turner who they had a 2nd round grade on. The other pick might have been Justin Ellis or Cassius Marsh two players they supposedly liked. If they got Jernigan though Ellis may have been overkill at the 1 tech.

Kaiser · May 12, 2014

OhSnap said:
I've been goin with that for almost a year now and mentioned it several times. You the first person to correct me, thanks. I musta got a bad piece of chicken somewhere.
The good news is we're off the hook for that 7th rounder

Selvie was so good that Jerry is tipping people 7th round picks as gratuities.

OhSnap · May 12, 2014

Kaiser said:
Selvie was so good that Jerry is tipping people 7th round picks as gratuities.

Well who can blame him we had a six pack of em this year and the roster is already stacked.

Rockport · May 12, 2014

coult44 said:
Is SJ trying to make himself feel better? We coudve? We should've? It was a "neat" )))))) Is anyone feeling better about Stephen running the show after Jerruh. The bottom line is we got jobbed in the early trade just like we did last year. This time we let a divisional rival take advantage of us.

You can't "get jobbed" when you admit beforehand that you lost value in the trade. It was a desperate move made by Jerry to help win now. Only time will tell if the trade turns out worth it.

speedkilz88 · May 12, 2014

AmberBeer said:
You can't "get jobbed" when you admit beforehand that you lost value in the trade. It was a desperate move made by Jerry to help win now. Only time will tell if the trade turns out worth it.

So if your Defensive Coordinator loves the guy and tells you he's the one difference making pass rusher left in the draft. A player you desperately need for your defense. Do you ignore him? I hate giving up picks but they had to get Lawrence.

jnday · May 12, 2014

speedkilz88 said:
So if your Defensive Coordinator loves the guy and tells you he's the one difference making pass rusher left in the draft. A player you desperately need for your defense. Do you ignore him? I hate giving up picks but they had to get Lawrence.

No they didn't . It looks like the move of a desperate team. This defense didn't get fixed with this one pick. This is going yo be a two or three year rebuild of the defense at least. Lawrence is not going to have that big of an impact in his rookie season anyway. You don't make desperate moves when the defense needs do many holes filled.

speedkilz88 · May 12, 2014

jnday said:
No they didn't . It looks like the move of a desperate team. This defense didn't get fixed with this one pick. This is going yo be a two or three year rebuild of the defense at least. Lawrence is not going to have that big of an impact in his rookie season anyway. You don't make desperate moves when the defense needs do many holes filled.

You don't know that.

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