JJT: Philadelphia's Success Puts Spotlight on Jason Garrett

Wolfpack said:

Glad to see media folks writing these stories. Way beyond time to call out the ineptness of JG's coaching efforts in Dallas.

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It is overdue, but they really just seem to miss the mark and end up sounding like sour grapes.

Almost none of them will dare touch the tougher parts of it that take a little research and especially asking tougher questions of the players and well, especially, him. They still eat up his "how's it goin' guys!" nonsense.

Idgit said:

Yep. Or 2014, for that matter. How many of us think we keep Rodgers out of the end zone needing a touchdown with ~4 minutes left if Dez's catch wasn't (shamefully) overturned? I don't.

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Well then. I guess we should hope we never have to play an elite QB in the playoffs ever again. That would be horrible.

Funny how both seasons, Rodgers fizzled after playing Dallas and didn't make the Super Bowl. I would really get it if he hadn't.

I guess it is just that he is Marinelli kryptonite?

I really don't know what Garrett does..organize practices and give talks? It's well known he isn't a strategy X/O guy.

I really see no upside to him and he brings nothing important to the table.

I guess Jerrah likes it that way.

Idgit said:

Without that defense, Pederson’s season ends in a home loss to Atlanta.

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Alexander said:

I guess that is the new thing.

Garrett would be good enough were it not for that darn defense.

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I didn't see anyone mention Garrett at all, much less him being good enough. Unfortunately, the Cowboys seem about as interested in building a great defense as some of our posters.

Idgit said:

New? Right. This is “new,” me saying we’ve had insufficient talent. Jesus.

The problem has never been the coaching. You homers keep making excuses for a unit that can’t pull its own weight for whatever reason. I guess I just have higher expectations and won’t settle for mediocre. We’re different that way. Go Cowboys.

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Yeah, anyone of 500 hundred coaches out there could bring us to a Superbowl!

So I see your like Jerry now, coaching doesn't matter...lol.

Do you think BB and JG have the same result this year if Bill was coaching the Cowboys and not Garrett? Of course you do, the problem isn't the coaching!

Jake said:

I didn't see anyone mention Garrett at all, much less him being good enough. Unfortunately, the Cowboys seem about as interested in building a great defense as some of our posters.

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I am as critical of Jerry Jones as anyone. But if anyone truly believe it is not just Jerry Jones, but an organizational group collaboration that involves not only Garrett also McClay, how can this just slide?

Everyone wants simple answers, I understand that. But overall, I don't think Garrett is nearly as powerless as some think nor do I think he is empowered as he needs to be. But he is the last person to rock the boat and ask for more.

That said, I think he has had about as strong of a chance to put his mark and influence management as anyone. Nobody from the outside is going to come in with as much built-in equity.

The degree of responsibility he has for this mess is underemphasized as far as I can see for that very reason.

Idgit said:

This was a reference to Dallas in 2016, I take it? Where we replaced 2 QBs and a starting LG on the way to a top-2 offense in terms of production measure by point/offensive series? Or to some other team?

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Well, that’s because we had depth.

Which is.... what the Eagles have this year.

Jarv said:

Yeah, anyone of 500 hundred coaches out there could bring us to a Superbowl!

So I see your like Jerry now, coaching doesn't matter...lol.

Do you think BB and JG have the same result this year if Bill was coaching the Cowboys and not Garrett? Of course you do, the problem isn't the coaching!

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Oh, coaching matters. What I'm saying is that teams can lose games for reasons other than coaching and that our coaches are good enough to win with....if the defense were in the neighborhood of competitive teams usually live in when they're winning Superbowls.

Jake said:

I didn't see anyone mention Garrett at all, much less him being good enough. Unfortunately, the Cowboys seem about as interested in building a great defense as some of our posters.

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I don't get it. We dinked around with two obviously stupid choices for DCs for years (yes, that was in large part Garrett's fault). Then, when we're finally in position to add some quality defenders, we decide not to do it. It doesn't help that we've whiffed on a couple of key picks on that side of the field, too.

Think if Gregory or Jaylon picks when to contributors for us in those 2014, 2016 seasons? Whiffing on a high 1 and a high 2 for Mo. Or if picks like Melton or Thornton or fliers like Hardy or McClain had actually turned out? Wilcox or Tapper, even. All it would take is another player or two on that side during that span and we might be having a different conversation.

That's not an excuse for not fixing the defense, though. They don't spend enough resources on it, and it keeps getting us beat. That needs to change.

Alexander said:

I am as critical of Jerry Jones as anyone. But if anyone truly believe it is not just Jerry Jones, but an organizational group collaboration that involves not only Garrett also McClay, how can this just slide?

Everyone wants simple answers, I understand that. But overall, I don't think Garrett is nearly as powerless as some think nor do I think he is empowered as he needs to be. But he is the last person to rock the boat and ask for more.

That said, I think he has had about as strong of a chance to put his mark and influence management as anyone. Nobody from the outside is going to come in with as much built-in equity.

The degree of responsibility he has for this mess is underemphasized as far as I can see for that very reason.

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Which brings me to this. How much power does Jason Garrett have? I want to know this question. I want to know what Jerry is doing, what decisions he's made over the past 23 years. Can there be a "tell all" book that someone can write, I'd buy that in a heart beat.

Alexander said:

Well then. I guess we should hope we never have to play an elite QB in the playoffs ever again. That would be horrible.

Funny how both seasons, Rodgers fizzled after playing Dallas and didn't make the Super Bowl. I would really get it if he hadn't.

I guess it is just that he is Marinelli kryptonite?

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It's all about passing effectiveness differential. You need a good QB, and you need to defend against good QBs. GB didn't defend the pass well in that ATL game. They gave up 44 and got whomped.

Jarv said:

You're right, must still be Wade Phillips fault!

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We'd both kill for that 2007 DAL defense again. Be honest.

Idgit said:

We'd both kill for that 2007 DAL defense again. Be honest.

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Oh for the days when we had that one poster who kept complaining about Anthony Henry.

Idgit said:

It's all about passing effectiveness differential. You need a good QB, and you need to defend against good QBs. GB didn't defend the pass well in that ATL game. They gave up 44 and got whomped.

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Obviously, you are wired differently than I am. I would never use analytics to explain everything. If it were that simple, teams would just employ the best number crunchers they could and win.

Many teams recognize analytics/numbers and they cannot be ignored as total nonsense. But it is a big big mistake to overestimate cold numbers and underestimate the emotional aspect of this game. That was the point I was alluding to earlier with the "emotional intelligence" thing from Lurie.

The bottom line is that we need a defense that can get to the QB and an offensive line that can block for the QB. We need to go all in on those two things.

What I saw with NE was that Brady had all day to throw. We have good run-blocking offensive linemen, but we need good pass-blocking linemen.

windward said:

Oh for the days when we had that one poster who kept complaining about Anthony Henry.

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That is some steel trap memory.

For goodness sake Idgit you have defended Garrett in so many different ways you forget which one you are currently working on.

When Garret was finally removed from his OC position, after Jerry proclaiming he would never have a walk around coach, in the long thread that ensued after the decision your explanation for the move was that Jerry wanted 'Jason's unique organizational skills moved to the defense'. The defense you now proclaim as being the main factor in Garrett's lack of success.

We have heard from you at various times through the years that he would bring unqualified success as an offense coordiantor, success as a head coach, he would change the team culture, reel in Jerry and change how we drafted, ensure success through his right kind of guy program, bring his 'unique organizational skills' to the defense, etc.. etc.. etc..

It's very disingenuous of you to accuse others of group think when they criticize Garrett. Anyone who has been a member of this forum for a decade or so can remember the foolishness that you, and others, have spouted in defending this guy.

I'm surprised members waste their time in discussing Garrett with you. It's a useless endeavor.

Idgit said:

That's not an excuse for not fixing the defense, though. They don't spend enough resources on it, and it keeps getting us beat. That needs to change.

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I think they took strides to making some quality picks for the secondary last year. I was disappointed that our big bad DL guru settled on Charlton.

We'll see on that.

But I think you are painting a picture on the D spending resources that is not exactly true.

2017 - Three premium picks on defense (Charlton, Awuzie, Lewis)
2016 - Two premium picks on defense (Smith, Collins)
2015 - Two premium picks on defense (Jones, Gregory)
2014 - One premium pick plus the traded pick (Lawrence).

I am not even getting into the Morris Claiborne debacle which basically was a decision that ruined at least one entire draft.

Now if you are suggesting free agency to help out, I am all for hearing about that. But the draft has been about as reasonable of a commitment as you could ask for over the past four drafts.

dreghorn2 said:

It's very disingenuous of you to accuse others of group think when they criticize Garrett. Anyone who has been a member of this forum for a decade or so can remember the foolishness that you, and others, have spouted in defending this guy.

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Pretty important to note for all you new members, who I am sure come in with your own histories.

I am curious to some of you to share how the Garrett experience has been for you.

I think the spotlight is on Pederson. He's in the Super Bowl after all.

Garrett is just happy to collect $6 million per year because he sucks and has been gifted everything. He's the opposite of meritocracy which is what this organization has become. That's why it and its leaders haven't won anything of significance in over twenty years.