Let’s be honest: our talent level is bottom 15 in the league

perrykemp · Apr 18, 2018

CowboyRoy said:
Dak stands at no crossroads. He is a great young QB that won rookie of the year and was on his way to another record breaking season before the offense fell apart around him.

Here is what the numbers say:

Dak was the 17th ranked QB in the NFL last season with a 86.6 QB rating. He was ranked one spot behind Tyrod Taylor (89.2 QB rating) and one spot ahead of Andy Dalton (86.2 QB rating).

That's the company he is keeping as it relates to QB ratings.

Both of those other players ALSO experienced significant challenges with their offenses. Nobody is arguing that the reason why they are middle of the road QBs is that the <rest> of the offense failed them.

Cowboy4ever · Apr 18, 2018

CowboyRoy said:
Like I said in my other thread I started. I really look forward to watching Dak chase you haters back under a rock this year.

And as far as a great D he is no different than Romo in that regard. With this coaching staff we need a team that is markedly better than anyone else. You arent stopping the Bradys and Rogers of the world with the D we have been trotting out there the last 10 years. Nothing to do with Dak.

Now if you want to talk about Dak, then yah, the younger he is, the more he needs better pieces around him to be successful. I would expect that to not be the case as he gets older.

But unless something changes in Dallas he will fail just like Romo. NOt with these clowns running things.

I hope he does too, because that would mean the Boys are winning games. And as long as Zeke is there, the OL is made up of nothing but all pros, the WR can get open in the first 10 yards and have a catch radius of 10 yards or so, then yea he may do good. But there are only 2 ways teams win the SB now a days,, GREAT play from the QB and/or GREAT play from the D. No chance we get GREAT QB play, it is not him, he is not an elite level talent, not his fault he just doesn't have the same talent as a QB as a Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Ben R, Eli (younger, not now), Matt R, M. Stafford, P. Rivers, D. Carr, Jimmy G, R. Wilson, n. Foles or K. Cousins. And some of them listed are not all that great either but better than the scrub we run out there. So we need to be all in on D as long as Dak is the man here, its our only hope.

Captain-Crash · Apr 18, 2018

he did out play a 3rd sting Qb playing with his back up team, oops nope.. everybody was playing on our team, and they were all hurt.......lmao.. how many quarter was it without a TD. it was only 10,, just a record I think.. i could be wrong.

CowboyRoy · Apr 18, 2018

stasheroo said:
I hope you also understand that some of the struggles were Dak's fault as well.

He's got questions to answer coming off of his 2017 season, that's not debatable.

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I sincerely hope you're right, but because he's proven it and not because someone continues to hope for it.

What would you expect the front office to say? We're looking for a quarterback?

Oh yah, being a young QB and losing all his security blankets was as learning experience for him.

He has to prove his doubters wrong certainly. And I think he will. But that is far from "crossroads"

Its not what the FO said its what they did:

1. Cut Dez and are revamping the WR's
2. retooling the offense to be Dak friendly instead of expecting him to thrive in an offense made for Romo.
3. Fired just about everybody under the coordinators and replaced them with new blood with new ideas
4. solidified the oline in FA and are done with Chaz Green and Cooper

All these things show where they thought the problems were. I also understand that DAk was a 2nd year QB and I was under no illusions that he was one of the reasons he was playing so great was because the offense around him was amazing.

Cowboy4ever · Apr 18, 2018

CowboyRoy said:
And I couldnt agree more on defense. I like a top D and a strong run game. Nothing to do with the QB. Wanted that with Romo as well. But we all know they are going to do something stupid and take a WR with the first pick.

I think we have to take a WR at some point in the draft. We don't have a lot of WR signed past this year, I think we only have twill, Switzer and Brown locked up beyond 2018, not much there to work with for anyone, including Dak. I hope it's not a 1st round pick though but I can see it if it turns out that way and they get a really talented player. I would prefer to take one in the 2nd or 3rd and see how he develops this year and take it from there.

SportsGuru80 · Apr 18, 2018

And here we go.................

CowboyRoy · Apr 18, 2018

Cowboy4ever said:
I hope he does too, because that would mean the Boys are winning games. And as long as Zeke is there, the OL is made up of nothing but all pros, the WR can get open in the first 10 yards and have a catch radius of 10 yards or so, then yea he may do good. But there are only 2 ways teams win the SB now a days,, GREAT play from the QB and/or GREAT play from the D. No chance we get GREAT QB play, it is not him, he is not an elite level talent, not his fault he just doesn't have the same talent as a QB as a Brees, Rodgers, Brady, Ben R, Eli (younger, not now), Matt R, M. Stafford, P. Rivers, D. Carr, Jimmy G, R. Wilson, n. Foles or K. Cousins. And some of them listed are not all that great either but better than the scrub we run out there. So we need to be all in on D as long as Dak is the man here, its our only hope.

Im glad you are not running this team. Dak is a great great talent at QB. His strengths also include the use of his legs. 400 yards rushing and 8 rushing TD's is nothing to shake a stick at. And his leadership and poise are also things he excels at. Its a shame you dont see that.

Now if you are looking for a gunslinger like Rogers then you will be disappointed. Dak is NOT that type of QB. But we had one of those in Romo and where did that get us. Dak showed his rookie year what he can do with great talent around him. And he is only going to get better.

Aikman averaged about 200 yards and 1.5 TDs a game. And when the oline and run game around him faultered he was mud. But we won championships with him.

Waiting on the Rogers and Bradys of the world is a near impossibility.

Stash · Apr 18, 2018

CowboyRoy said:
Oh yah, being a young QB and losing all his security blankets was as learning experience for him.

He has to prove his doubters wrong certainly. And I think he will. But that is far from "crossroads"

What's different about it then? You said it yourself "he has to prove doubters wrong."

Its not what the FO said its what they did:

1. Cut Dez and are revamping the WR's
2. retooling the offense to be Dak friendly instead of expecting him to thrive in an offense made for Romo.
3. Fired just about everybody under the coordinators and replaced them with new blood with new ideas
4. solidified the oline in FA and are done with Chaz Green and Cooper

All these things show where they thought the problems were. I also understand that DAk was a 2nd year QB and I was under no illusions that he was one of the reasons he was playing so great was because the offense around him was amazing.

It would be foolish to give up on Prescott, but it would also be foolish to assume that he's your quarterback for the next 10 years. There's no need for a rush to judgement either way, that's my point.

CowboyRoy · Apr 18, 2018

Cowboy4ever said:
I think we have to take a WR at some point in the draft. We don't have a lot of WR signed past this year, I think we only have twill, Switzer and Brown locked up beyond 2018, not much there to work with for anyone, including Dak. I hope it's not a 1st round pick though but I can see it if it turns out that way and they get a really talented player. I would prefer to take one in the 2nd or 3rd and see how he develops this year and take it from there.

Yah, we are almost forced to take one. But I want a beast on defense with that first pick. But Im not overly concerned about THIS year. This team isnt winning any SB's this year. If we do things better then I see us being able to compete for a championship a year or two down the line. And as you pointed out, I am not sure Dak is ready yet. This is ONE of the reasons I wanted to move on from Romo so quickly. We werent winning with Romo either and young QB's need to learn and get experience.

CowboyRoy · Apr 18, 2018

stasheroo said:
What's different about it then? You said it yourself "he has to prove doubters wrong."

It would be foolish to give up on Prescott, but it would also be foolish to assume that he's your quarterback for the next 10 years. There's no need for a rush to judgement either way, that's my point.

To me crossroads is a point of desperation. A make it or break it type thing. I dont see that here. I saw a little hiccup in a young QB's maturation.

As far as rushing to judgement, thats just my take on Prescott. I knew this kid was special in preseason his rookie year. And nothing I have seen has changed my mind. In fact, it has solidified it.

Stash · Apr 18, 2018

CowboyRoy said:
To me crossroads is a point of desperation. A make it or break it type thing. I dont see that here. I saw a little hiccup in a young QB's maturation.

To me it's prove that you're this team's franchise quarterback or not. Go up or go down. That's the definition of crossroads to me.

As far as rushing to judgement, thats just my take on Prescott. I knew this kid was special in preseason his rookie year. And nothing I have seen has changed my mind. In fact, it has solidified it.

OK. Color me as undecided then. He's approaching the point where the team will have to make a huge commitment to him and I'm not ready to make that a certainty yet.

CowboyRoy · Apr 18, 2018

perrykemp said:
Here is what the numbers say:

Dak was the 17th ranked QB in the NFL last season with a 86.6 QB rating. He was ranked one spot behind Tyrod Taylor (89.2 QB rating) and one spot ahead of Andy Dalton (86.2 QB rating).

That's the company he is keeping as it relates to QB ratings.

Both of those other players ALSO experienced significant challenges with their offenses. Nobody is arguing that the reason why they are middle of the road QBs is that the <rest> of the offense failed them.

What was his QB ranking through the first 24 games of his career? What happened to him once the Oline fell apart and Zeke got suspended is the outlier. The way he played there only showed me that he has a lot more to learn. Par for the course for a 2nd year QB.

CowboyRoy · Apr 18, 2018

stasheroo said:
To me it's prove that you're this team's franchise quarterback or not. Go up or go down. That's the definition of crossroads to me.

OK. Color me as undecided then. He's approaching the point where the team will have to make a huge commitment to him and I'm not ready to make that a certainty yet.

He has already proved it in my opinion. Is my opinion as strong as it was before game 25? No, those last 8 games gave me some pause.

Clove · Apr 18, 2018

stasheroo said:
What is this "you guys" nonsense now?

Just face the fact that you tried to call something "the same" when it clearly isn't.

If you want to debate the quality of these players, go ahead and do that. But don't try to do it based on an inaccurate, blanket assessment and a record a different team achieved.

I like how you put all of that, so brass and so articulate. I'll say it one more time, same team = genius coaching. If you don't think this team has talent, then the coaching is genius.

I, for one thinks this team is talented and under achieved.

CowboyRoy · Apr 18, 2018

stasheroo said:
To me it's prove that you're this team's franchise quarterback or not. Go up or go down. That's the definition of crossroads to me.

OK. Color me as undecided then. He's approaching the point where the team will have to make a huge commitment to him and I'm not ready to make that a certainty yet.

Its all about understanding what type of QB you have and his strengths and weaknesses. It looks like the Cowboys are finally paying attention to that. Now how well they actually understand that remains to be seen.

DHCBF66 · Apr 18, 2018

La'el back to LG and Flemming to RT, that will fix the o-line. Dak had some rough games last year but the o-line had some really bad games so I will not give up on Dak just yet. Dak is 22-10 as a starter and that is with Zeke being out 6 games(3-3 without him), Dez missing what 3-4 games in 2016 (Dak won them all), Tyrone missing games.

Our defense was ranked #8 int the nfl last season and that was with all the struggles on the offensive side the ball. People call out Rod saying he cant coach, top 10 defense with Scandrick and a couple rookies in the backfield. Lets not forget Heath being one of his starting safeties.

I hope we dont but I can see us drafting a WR in the 1st. Cutting Dez is going to hurt our defense because we need to replace him with a high pick.

overall I think our team is much better than some claim.

Bleu Star · Apr 18, 2018

tm1119 said:
Qb- middle of the road
RB- great
WR- One of the worst units in the league
TE- Witten is a backup at this point and there’s no other starting caliber TE on the roster
OL- IF Tyron is healthy it’s still a very good unit. Big if and there is still 1 starter missing
DL- Getting better, but still middle of the road. 1 tech is still (perpetually) missing. Depth is also an issue behind the injury prone Lawrence.
LB- Yuck. just yuck
DB- Young CB’s are a breath of fresh air, but is there a #1 guy amongst the group? Very debatable
S- Little to no talent here. Minimum 1 starter still needed. Heath is just barely passable enough but should also be replaced if possible.

Discuss

What is there to discuss? You're butthurt and carrying it over like you're doing long math.

elcowboi · Apr 18, 2018

tm1119 said:
Qb- middle of the road
RB- great
WR- One of the worst units in the league
TE- Witten is a backup at this point and there’s no other starting caliber TE on the roster
OL- IF Tyron is healthy it’s still a very good unit. Big if and there is still 1 starter missing
DL- Getting better, but still middle of the road. 1 tech is still (perpetually) missing. Depth is also an issue behind the injury prone Lawrence.
LB- Yuck. just yuck
DB- Young CB’s are a breath of fresh air, but is there a #1 guy amongst the group? Very debatable
S- Little to no talent here. Minimum 1 starter still needed. Heath is just barely passable enough but should also be replaced if possible.

Discuss

If you say so...

RomoFor6 · Apr 18, 2018

tm1119 said:
Qb- middle of the road
RB- great
WR- One of the worst units in the league
TE- Witten is a backup at this point and there’s no other starting caliber TE on the roster
OL- IF Tyron is healthy it’s still a very good unit. Big if and there is still 1 starter missing
DL- Getting better, but still middle of the road. 1 tech is still (perpetually) missing. Depth is also an issue behind the injury prone Lawrence.
LB- Yuck. just yuck
DB- Young CB’s are a breath of fresh air, but is there a #1 guy amongst the group? Very debatable
S- Little to no talent here. Minimum 1 starter still needed. Heath is just barely passable enough but should also be replaced if possible.

Discuss

lol u high?

tm1119 · Apr 18, 2018

Bleu Star said:
What is there to discuss? You're butthurt and carrying it over like you're doing long math.

I’m butthurt? Are you 12?

Again, use your big boy words and discuss where/how I’m wrong.

Let’s be honest: our talent level is bottom 15 in the league

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