Dak 20-25mil or Tyrod Taylor 12-15Million

JustChip · Mar 4, 2019

Future said:
fart noises

Put Dak in Buffalo and Cleveland and tell me how he does more than Tyrod has.

That could be said about any comparison of QBs. Situations matter. As much as talent, maybe more. Would Goff have been as successful had he been in Cleveland or Buffalo? Or even had LA not replaced Fisher?

Super_Kazuya · Mar 4, 2019

JMech said:
Hey thanks for playing, but yes I did call that one. Not sure how many people you want to vouch for me.

Get over your hathred. Two peas in a pod? One can only say wow.

In addition to making me read another one of your brain dead replies, why did you cluelessly drag this tired, beaten thread out of the mothballs from being more than a week old? Here's a hint, if a thread has fallen off of the main page it is best to just let sit and join another discussion. Or send a PM... you're not that important.
And no, Dak is not better than Tyrod Taylor just because he throws a bunch of short passes to wide open guys well short of the first down marker to pad his stats.

SSoup · Mar 4, 2019

Taylor has a worse completion percentage, worse Yards Per Attempt, worse TD-to-INT ratio, and worse winning percentage. And he's 30 this year.

Not to mention: he peaked in 2015 and has gotten worse every season since then. He couldn't even crack 50% completions in 2018. And that's with him average 5-something yards per attempt. That level of awfulness is almost unheard of.

So: Hilariously dumb idea, no thanks.

ak47kaehu · Mar 4, 2019

Stupid for 1000 please

charron · Mar 5, 2019

Dak at 20 or tyrod at 15 I'd take Dak, maybe. I'd take tyrod at 12 easily.

Neither are great, but both can have success if you build around them and average QB's on cheap deals is how you win. Once you pay a QB with big contract your done more often than not.

Future · Mar 5, 2019

JustChip said:
That could be said about any comparison of QBs. Situations matter. As much as talent, maybe more. Would Goff have been as successful had he been in Cleveland or Buffalo? Or even had LA not replaced Fisher?

Ok? The constant defense of Dak is that he hasn't had talent, or the OL, or the coaching, or whatever.

How does that not apply to Tyrod?

bodi · Mar 5, 2019

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JustChip · Mar 5, 2019

Future said:
Ok? The constant defense of Dak is that he hasn't had talent, or the OL, or the coaching, or whatever.

How does that not apply to Tyrod?

It's a fair question. However, the difference is Tyrod has been with 3 teams and his issues remain. He started with Baltimore and I think most would say the Ravens are above average from a coaching and front office standpoint. Situations matter, but at some point, if the issues are the same in multiple situations, the issue is the player.

Like I said in one of my posts, I haven't seen Tyrod play that much. But I did watch the Buffalo-Jacksonville playoff game and the guy was horrible. Terrible decisions (after being indecisive), happy feet and highly inaccurate. That was 7 years in the league.

Future · Mar 5, 2019

JustChip said:
It's a fair question. However, the difference is Tyrod has been with 3 teams and his issues remain. He started with Baltimore and I think most would say the Ravens are above average from a coaching and front office standpoint. Situations matter, but at some point, if the issues are the same in multiple situations, the issue is the player.

Like I said in one of my posts, I haven't seen Tyrod play that much. But I did watch the Buffalo-Jacksonville playoff game and the guy was horrible. Terrible decisions (after being indecisive), happy feet and highly inaccurate. That was 7 years in the league.

He didn't even play in Baltimore.

I watch like 14 Bills games a year, yes, the indecision you see is right, and he has happy feet trying to sit in the pocket. That's exactly the same as Dak Prescott. Both are worlds better when they're able to run around and make plays. When he is decisive, he has all the arm talent in the world, just like Dak.

These are all high level throws that, in an offense where the passing game exists only to compliment the run game, are must haves. They're the same throws Dak makes when he's playing well. The timing, quick hit routes aren't what either of them are good at.

ajk23az · Mar 5, 2019

Go home, you're drunk.

silvrNblue · Mar 5, 2019

CPanther95 said:
and replace them with FAs that will sign a team friendly deal just to become Dallas Cowboys.

Rofl... yeah better cordon off at least 5 city blocks for all those FA's just chompin at the bit to come here on a cheap deal just so's they can wear the star... gonna be a looooooong line.

blueblood70 · Mar 5, 2019

Super_Kazuya said:
In addition to making me read another one of your brain dead replies, why did you cluelessly drag this tired, beaten thread out of the mothballs from being more than a week old? Here's a hint, if a thread has fallen off of the main page it is best to just let sit and join another discussion. Or send a PM... you're not that important.
And no, Dak is not better than Tyrod Taylor just because he throws a bunch of short passes to wide open guys well short of the first down marker to pad his stats.

sorry but you added to the old thread and are also keeping it going,

Oh and you are dead wrong TT wished he was Dak..you dak haters are such trolls, the numbers say is YOA , C

, total yards, TD-Ratio all of it is elaps and bounds better than Taylor..Tyorod is a lifer at backup m thats it, can win game or 2 in and emergency but long term he super exposed..Career stats show Daks on another level, am I a dak fan boy , no, luv me some Romo so take this statement as true..taket off the hate goggles..

LACowboysFan1 · Mar 5, 2019

Taylor? Instead of Dak?

Per John McEnroe - you cannot be serious...

JustChip · Mar 5, 2019

Future said:
He didn't even play in Baltimore.

I watch like 14 Bills games a year, yes, the indecision you see is right, and he has happy feet trying to sit in the pocket. That's exactly the same as Dak Prescott. Both are worlds better when they're able to run around and make plays. When he is decisive, he has all the arm talent in the world, just like Dak.

These are all high level throws that, in an offense where the passing game exists only to compliment the run game, are must haves. They're the same throws Dak makes when he's playing well. The timing, quick hit routes aren't what either of them are good at.

I'm not sure the comparison is totally accurate because one has 7 years in the league and one has 3. Granted Dak has started 51 games, 3 of them playoff games, so one could argue he's had far more experience. But Tyrod has been sampled and rejected by 3 different teams so why would Dallas want to make it 4?

Even if your point that Dak and Tyrod are the same, why would Dallas want to change from Dak to Tyrod? You've seen the team have success with Dak; changing Tyrod for Dak is not an improvement. It's neutral at best and is quite possibly much worse in this situation with this team. If I'm going to make a change, it's for a clear improvement. That's not Tyrod.

Future · Mar 5, 2019

JustChip said:
I'm not sure the comparison is totally accurate because one has 7 years in the league and one has 3. Granted Dak has started 51 games, 3 of them playoff games, so one could argue he's had far more experience. But Tyrod has been sampled and rejected by 3 different teams so why would Dallas want to make it 4?

Even if your point that Dak and Tyrod are the same, why would Dallas want to change from Dak to Tyrod? You've seen the team have success with Dak; changing Tyrod for Dak is not an improvement. It's neutral at best and is quite possibly much worse in this situation with this team. If I'm going to make a change, it's for a clear improvement. That's not Tyrod.

Sampled and rejected is misleading. In one, he was young and behind a QB who won a Super Bowl. The next had no team around him and didn't want to pay the cap hit. The other, he got replaced by the #1 overall draft pick. He's not a franchise QB but that doesn't mean teams are "rejecting" him. He's not Christian Hackenburg.

Years in the league is irrelevant to the point. Dak is basically what Tyrod was his first two years in Buffalo anyways. I never said that Dak can't get better.

My original post in this thread was that it's a questoin of what you can do with the $10-15m you save by switching from Dak to Tyrod. If performance is basically the same, and you add another $15m impact player, that's a swap I'd consider. Would the team be better swapping Dak for Tyrod and, say, TY Hillton or Malik Jackson? Robert Woods AND Snacks Harrison? I don't know, but you can make a pretty good case that, based on what the QB in this offense has been asked to do, you'd be in a better spot.

nightrain · Mar 5, 2019

$20M for Dak is a pipe dream. He knows this could be his last shot at top money.

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 5, 2019

CanadianCowboysFan said:
yet he never wins, why is that

What exactly has Dak won that Cousins has not? You didn't ask me but I would say that it's because Minnesota is in the same situation we could find ourselves in soon. They paid Cousins too much and now they can't bring in the players they need in order to win it all.

If you look at Cousin's numbers from last season, he blew Daks doors off statistically. It's not even kinda close.

70.1% Comp., 4298 yards, 30 TDs and 10 Ints.

Dak,

67.7% Comp., 3885 yards, 22 TDs and 8 Ints.

JMech · Mar 5, 2019

Super_Kazuya said:
In addition to making me read another one of your brain dead replies, why did you cluelessly drag this tired, beaten thread out of the mothballs from being more than a week old? Here's a hint, if a thread has fallen off of the main page it is best to just let sit and join another discussion. Or send a PM... you're not that important.
And no, Dak is not better than Tyrod Taylor just because he throws a bunch of short passes to wide open guys well short of the first down marker to pad his stats.

My brain dead replies.......please reflect on your message above. You will not find more neuronal death anywhere.

Get off your Dak is bad high horse.

CanadianCowboysFan · Mar 5, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
What exactly has Dak won that Cousins has not? You didn't ask me but I would say that it's because Minnesota is in the same situation we could find ourselves in soon. They paid Cousins too much and now they can't bring in the players they need in order to win it all.

If you look at Cousin's numbers from last season, he blew Daks doors off statistically. It's not even kinda close.

70.1% Comp., 4298 yards, 30 TDs and 10 Ints.

Dak,

67.7% Comp., 3885 yards, 22 TDs and 8 Ints.

Prescott has made the post season 2 of three seasons, can Mr. empty stat say the same?

He is also in his what 7th year, Dak his third. Hard to compare the two that way, but we do know, Kirk has no playoff wins as a QB

ABQCOWBOY · Mar 5, 2019

CanadianCowboysFan said:
Prescott has made the post season 2 of three seasons, can Mr. empty stat say the same?

I think the better question would be, if you put Dak in Minnesota, could he get them to the playoffs? If you put Cousins in Dallas, could he get us to the playoffs? I think the answers to those questions are: No and Yes.

It's not as if Dak is the reason we are making the playoffs IMO. I don't think that's an argument that lends itself to anything other then the fact that the Cowboys are better then Minnesota top to bottom and a lot of the reason is the contract that Cousins has. JMO

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