How are the Cowboys not a top 10 offense?

TheMarathonContinues · May 8, 2019

817Gill said:
Jordan Howard has declined every year in the league and has turned into an average 2 down back with some goalline capabilities.

2016 YPC: 5.2 YPG: 87.5
2017 YPC: 4.1 YPG: 70.1
2018 YPC: 3.7. YPG: 58.4

He’ll be a free agent this offseason, book it.

He's going by off his rookie season which was a fluke year. This goes to that argument that people say you can find running backs all over the draft. While true.....those guys come out the gate strong and tend to phase off. Not at all but seems like a lot of them do.

Diehardblues · May 8, 2019

817Gill said:
Exactly, there are definitely concerns, but to say he’s going to suck is just pure ignorance. It’s something a rival fan would say not a Cowboy fan.

I hear ya. It’s often difficult to cypher out on Social Media which provides a voice to anyone.

Section446 · May 8, 2019

Hwo aren't we a top ten offense? Easy, look at the QB.

Stash · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
Actually I never said that. What I said is watching the game tells a better story than stats. Stats say Dez shouldn't have been cut because he only had one bad season. Watching the games you would know he had started to fall off 2 seasons prior. But stats tell the whole story.........if I let you tell it.

No, "watching the game" tells the whole story, as long as you're the author obviously. Your opinion based on "watching the games" trumps everything according to you. Nice to know that your entire viewpoint is skewed to the point where your comments become irrelevant. I'll proceed accordingly based on that information.

TheMarathonContinues · May 8, 2019

stasheroo said:
Do they? Exactly what "stats" say that? Show me the stats that "say he's one of the best to ever play the game"?

You're getting desperate here.

Stafford is 21st in passing yards of all time and he's the youngest in the top 25. He's going to be top 5 by the time his career ends. And right behind him is Jay Cutler and Joe Flacco lol. Matt Ryan is #12.

Stafford is also 26th all time in passing touchdowns and he's the youngest there too. Good ol' stats tell the whole story though.

Sydla · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
Yeah because if I didn't watch the games I'd think Matthew Stafford was actually a solid quarterback in this league. In reality......he's inconsistent and he throws at ankles. But stats say he's one of the best to ever play the game. Good ol' stats strike again.

Actually, if you look at stats, he's rated pretty much where he should be historically. For example, of guys who played more than 3 years, he's 22nd in pass rating with the likes of Carson Palmer. Which is about right for him.

He's 27th in passing TDs. He's 21st in passing yards.

So I am not sure which stats you are looking at that tell you he's one of the best in the game. The stats say he was an above average QB lumped in with the likes of guys like Carson Palmer, etc. That's pretty accurate if you ask me.

TheMarathonContinues · May 8, 2019

stasheroo said:
No, "watching the game" tells the whole story, as long as you're the author obviously. Your opinion based on "watching the games" trumps everything according to you. Nice to know that your entire viewpoint is skewed to the point where your comments become irrelevant. I'll proceed accordingly based on that information.

That's fine. Keep letting "stats" tell you how good something is. I hope you don't take that approach at life. Letting "stats" dictate how you live life.

Sydla · May 8, 2019

I never trust anyone to not have bias who argues that their eyes are better than statistical evidence.

TheMarathonContinues · May 8, 2019

Sydla said:
Actually, if you look at stats, he's rated pretty much where he should be historically. For example, of guys who played more than 3 years, he's 22nd in pass rating with the likes of Carson Palmer. Which is about right for him.

He's 27th in passing TDs. He's 21st in passing yards.

So I am not sure which stats you are looking at that tell you he's one of the best in the game. The stats say he was an above average QB lumped in with the likes of guys like Carson Palmer, etc. That's pretty accurate if you ask me.

Yeah if Stafford stays there yeah he's where he should be. But he's 30-31 years old. He's not staying where's he's slotted. If he plays another 8 or so years he's going to be top 5 in all of those stats.

PAPPYDOG · May 8, 2019

Jipper said:
per nfl.com the cowboys don’t have a top 10 offense despite having a top rb, top tier wr, top tier oline and top 10 qb...boggles the mind

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...10-offenses-saints-colts-eagles-best-of-bunch

Might wanna ask the guy below.....

Stash · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
Stafford is 21st in passing yards of all time and he's the youngest in the top 25. He's going to be top 5 by the time his career ends. And right behind him is Jay Cutler and Joe Flacco lol. Matt Ryan is #12.

Stafford is also 26th all time in passing touchdowns and he's the youngest there too. Good ol' stats tell the whole story though.

If you get "best to ever play the game" - your own words - from that, the problem lies with you. Because those stats say nothing of the sort to anyone else. Again, you're clearly desperate here, and it shows.

Stash · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
That's fine. Keep letting "stats" tell you how good something is. I hope you don't take that approach at life. Letting "stats" dictate how you live life.

No, I listen to people on the internet who think they know everything.
:lmao:

TheMarathonContinues · May 8, 2019

Sydla said:
I never trust anyone to not have bias who argues that their eyes are better than statistical evidence.

Yeah I'm the opposite. I don't trust anyone who let's stats dictate how good something is.

You guys use numbers when its convenient for your argument.

Sydla · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
Yeah if Stafford stays there yeah he's where he should be. But he's 30-31 years old. He's not staying where's he's slotted. If he plays another 8 or so years he's going to be top 5 in all of those stats.

He won't be Top 5 in passer rating. He'll likely finish outside of the Top 20 (and likely start to slip as more guys like Mahomes and Watson log the necessary seasons to factor into the rankings).

In other words, you exaggerated to try to prove a point that stats don't have a lot of value.

InTheZone · May 8, 2019

817Gill said:
I understand you saying Dak could be average or inconsistent, but where do you pull he’s gonna struggle out of?

When Dak has the team intact around him he’s always been an above average performer. Unless you expect this team to be riddled with injury, I don’t see how you can think he will struggle. Dak only struggles when he has to carry the load, this team is loaded offensively, all he has to do is be the bus-driver most of y’all think he is and that’s already miles better than ‘suck’.

I swear some of y’all want him to be bad

You should know no one wants him to be bad, that's just ignorant thinking from a fan and team perspective if you believe that.

When I mention his struggles, which includes pocket awareness and anticipating his throws to a spot rather than a receiver, I see he has a harder time when teams take away his comfort routes outside the hash marks. Bad or loose defenses he'll have success, it's when he has to decide if he can make the throw.

Stash · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
Yeah I'm the opposite. I don't trust anyone who let's stats dictate how good something is.

You guys use numbers when its convenient for your argument.

No, we use stats to support our argument.

That's the difference between a worthless, unsupported opinion and an informed opinion.

You're welcome.

Sydla · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
Yeah I'm the opposite. I don't trust anyone who let's stats dictate how good something is.

You guys use numbers when its convenient for your argument.

Then you are a fool if you actually think eye balls are more accurate than actual, physical evidence.

That's not to say go by stats 100% of the time. But it's far better to look at a bunch of stats and try to draw a real conclusion from that then take the word of a homer who says his eyeballs tell him this when most numerical data suggests otherwise.

Stash · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
So being top 5 isn't one of the best to ever play the game? And you're desperate. I never said he was the best o ever play the game. I said his stats say he's ONE of the best to ever play the game. But keep trying lol. I get what you're trying to do but I'm not these other people on this site.

You said "the stats say he's "the best to ever play the game", nobody else said that. That's your desperation on full display, resorting to completely making things up in a failed argument.

I'm sure "not trying" to get personal like you clearly are.

Silly · May 8, 2019

I would look at the coach. There have been many seasons that dallas was not prepared for.

Aerolithe_Lion · May 8, 2019

rocyaice said:
They nearly made the Super Bowl without Hunt. You have a argument on Hill. They may suck without Hill. I just said I'm going to take a wait and see approach before I doubt Mahomes and Andy Reid. They don't need Hunt. They knew it which is why they cut him and haven't cut Hill yet.

They nearly made the super bowl as a team. They were noticeably running less times and for less yards per carry, and were held to 35 or less each of their last 6 games. Definitely weren’t same team. Their D shut down San Diego in the divisional round (as bad as it was), and they were held scoreless in the first half against NE. You say almost made the super bowl, I say won 1 playoff game after getting the bye Hulk earned them against a team that probably shouldn’t have gotten that far.

Again, still a top nfl offense. But the reasons for the 5 above them are sound.

How are the Cowboys not a top 10 offense?

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