Report: Dak Prescott counteroffer higher than Carson Wentz deal

OmerV

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I love the word but if you are going to use it, don't get your feelings hurt because of what the implications are. What I said is exactly true. You assume that there is a team out there who is willing to pay 34 mil per year. Show me one team that has made that known or accept that this entire line of thought is an assumption.

Can't have it both ways.

This is a wildly nonsensical argument. What team made it known they were willing to pay Carson Wentz $32MM? What team made it known they were willing to pay Russell Wilson $35MM? What team ever publicly declares what it would be willing to pay a player under contract to another team? Not only does that not happen, it is specifically prohibited under league rules. Under league rules a team cannot tamper with a player under contract to another team by letting him know what it would be willing to pay him. Hell, even if a team decided to try and get away with it, it would be done behind closed doors rather than publicly and blatantly violating team rules by putting it out in the media.
 

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This is a wildly nonsensical argument. What team made it known they were willing to pay Carson Wentz $32MM? What team made it known they were willing to pay Russell Wilson $35MM? What team ever publicly declares what it would be willing to pay a player under contract to another team? Not only does that not happen, it is specifically prohibited under league rules. Under league rules a team cannot tamper with a player under contract to another team by letting him know what it would be willing to pay him. Hell, even if a team decided to try and get away with it, it would be done behind closed doors rather than publicly and blatantly violating team rules by putting it out in the media.

Correct

@ABQCOWBOY just doesn't seem to comprehend contracts. It's not his forte
 

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Dak's leverage is overstated. The Cowboys can tag him for at least two seasons if Dak wants to be ridiculous and ask for a crazy contract.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the franchise tag is top 5 of the players respected position the year before. It's also a one year contract in essence which means the entire 30 million will have to count against the cap in one year. That's devastating, and it gets much worse in year 2. It's still going to be 30 million at a minimum, you just can't spread it out over many years to make it more team friendly.

He has leverage, unless the FO is fine with letting him walk.
 

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The Dallas Cowboys knew this was coming.

When they finally approached Dak Prescott to broach the topic of his seemingly inevitable contract extension, they did so with an initial offer in hand. While it's unknown what their first offer was, what's known is that it was met with a counteroffer from Prescott and CAA, his representation. That counteroffer was made in late May, nearly a month after Russell Wilson became the highest-paid player in NFL history with a four-year, $140 million extension from the Seattle Seahawks that includes $107 million guaranteed money.

It, however, also happened around three weeks prior to the Philadelphia Eagles giving Carson Wentz a four-year, $128 million extension that itself includes $107 million in guarantees. It was a foregone conclusion Prescott wouldn't best Wilson's figures, which made that the ceiling — but Wentz just set a floor that carries a $32 million annual average salary (AAS) over the course of his true extension.

With that in tow, Prescott and CAA have reportedly lobbed an offer to the Cowboys that would put the former Rookie of the Year at an AAS of $34 million, according to Clarence Hill, Jr. of Fort Worth Star-Telegram.

yawn. what is this, haven't been on here for a weak and same belly achin mania. Over and out till something different happens like a football game even if it is preseason YAWN STRETCH FART

Of course, this is all a part of the negotiation process, wherein the club goes low and the player goes high, with the ultimate goal of both sides eventually meeting in the middle. The reality remains Prescott will likely land a deal worth more than $30 million per year, and even that's a tough sell now, thanks to Wentz.

By Patrik Walker
https://247sports.com/nfl/dallas-cowboys/Article/Cowboys-Dak-Prescott-counteroffer-higher-than-Carson-Wentz-deal-132849152/?utm_source=247Sports Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=190613_183642_Dallas Cowboys&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=CA-89-18-08-4C-B7-7F-4E-28-9D-98-DD-5E-CE-44-EC190613_183642DallasCowboys
 

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I'd like everyone weighing in on what Dak may or may not be worth to post their jobs, employer's name and phone number, and their salaries/hourly wage. Anyone who thinks they should have a say in what another man earns should allow the world to have a say in what THEY earn.
 

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New HC = New QB.

Like it or not, the fate of Garrett and Dak are joined at the hip. Cowboys underachieve and both are gone.

I don't agree, Dak is Jerry's shining example of "see, we got him when nobody else did, I'm so smart". No matter he was a 4th rounder, in Jerry's mind imho Dak's fate is no way tied to Garrett. In fact I suspect Jerry may think that Garrett is holding Dak back and wouldn't be unhappy to let Jason go, except for the fact that Jerry doesn't like to admit he made a mistake, like not firing Kiffin, but just "kicked him upstairs" for a while until he could ease him out the back door.

You may be right, but I don't think so...
 

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I don't agree, Dak is Jerry's shining example of "see, we got him when nobody else did, I'm so smart". No matter he was a 4th rounder, in Jerry's mind imho Dak's fate is no way tied to Garrett. In fact I suspect Jerry may think that Garrett is holding Dak back and wouldn't be unhappy to let Jason go, except for the fact that Jerry doesn't like to admit he made a mistake, like not firing Kiffin, but just "kicked him upstairs" for a while until he could ease him out the back door.

You may be right, but I don't think so...
I’m not sure anyone is surviving Dakster. Jerry’s determined not to look a fool for going with him.
 

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I'd like everyone weighing in on what Dak may or may not be worth to post their jobs, employer's name and phone number, and their salaries/hourly wage. Anyone who thinks they should have a say in what another man earns should allow the world to have a say in what THEY earn.
I was self employed for over 30 years. I’m retired now. Social Security , my savings, 401K, IRA are pretty well fixed. My wife is still working. Maybe we can weigh in on her salary. Good luck with that. Lol

But yea, we can weigh in on public figures and celebrity salaries. I’m not sure most though would be interested weighing in on ours. Maybe we can start a Diehardblues or Loveitall fan forum. Think anyone would be interested or care ? IDK
 

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I'd like everyone weighing in on what Dak may or may not be worth to post their jobs, employer's name and phone number, and their salaries/hourly wage. Anyone who thinks they should have a say in what another man earns should allow the world to have a say in what THEY earn.

Civil servants jobs are , so are most people in the entertainment/spotlight. It comes with the territory .... Where are you getting that people want a say in someone's salary? All I see is peoples opinions which is on pair for a discussion on a message board.

If your interested in my job you can look it up your self I'm a G13 went right from the Marines into the TRP . I am not allowed to say more. Payscales are public knowledge, well base is which is way off depending on the field you are in.
 

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In 2016 the team went 13-3 with Dak as the starting QB, and our QB CAP allocation being 15.16%

Dak with a CAP hit of $34M(it'll be much lower than that), would be a 18% of CAP and would go lower(would never be 18% to start) every passing year of the contract.

I wouldn't consider 13-3 a detriment.

Your post is far too logical for the people that want to get all worked up over hypotheticals.
 

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I love the word but if you are going to use it, don't get your feelings hurt because of what the implications are. What I said is exactly true. You assume that there is a team out there who is willing to pay 34 mil per year. Show me one team that has made that known or accept that this entire line of thought is an assumption.

Can't have it both ways.
LOL why would any teams be offering dak a contract now?? he is not a FA :facepalm:
 

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I think it is funny, many said he wasnt worth 30 mil, then 32 mil, and now his agent says 34 mil ! lol it is funny.
 

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Another working week over and still no sign of any salary negotiations (involving the Cowboys front office).

You can feel the tension in the Dak camp.
 

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Also every starting QB contract cripples.
yes it does to some extent, but like you say it is all in how a team deals with it.
Every team runs into this situation, where they have to pay or go with some guy they know gives them no chance to go all the way.

It has a negative effect besides the cap that no one has mentioned.
How it affects the other players mentally ??
All the guys making 1-15 mil a year will judge dak more harshly than now when he makes less than many of them.
once he gets a big deal even the players will demand more from him.

The main thing is the jones boys should have already decided if they really want dak for a future franchise QB.
Either you do or you dont, they have had 3 years to watch him play, how long does it take??
Many say how he does this year should decide the issue, but really a decision should have been made back in feb, 3 seasons
is enough.
And you have to have a plan if you decide not to go with dak.
either way I dont care, just wish they would decide, but knowing the jones boys that may take years.
 

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I love the logic around this place.

Examples: If we sign Dak, it will cripple the cap and they won’t be able to build a team. Despite the fact they won the #1 seed with Dak as QB, while carrying a massive QB contract for a QB that was injured that season and didn’t play a meaningful snap.

Or how about, Dak has only had any success because the front office built the greatest team a starting rookie QB ever has around them. Dak’s supporting cast is so good he just has to drive the bus. However, the same front office that built that amazing team around Dak, their judgment sucks and they are going to ruin the entire franchise by deciding to stay with Dak and pay him a contract.

I mean seriously the lack of logic and the level of idiotic panicking over hypotheticals about what Impact Dak’s contract is going to have against the cap is ludicrous.

It also shows a complete lack of understanding how the cowboys typically handle large dollar contracts and the fact that they are likely to sign him to a long term deal, that is built to be restructured regularly, and keep his cap hit relatively low. Meaning that it will probably never cost them 30+ mil against the cap in a single season because they will have the money spread out over time. Just like they did with Romo’s Contract and they did with Tyrons contract for years and Wittens, etc etc.

You all also ignore the fact that in a lot of these huge deals QB’s Are getting, the final years that’s raise the “annual average” have massive base salaries that the player is never going to see because their team will either extend their contract or cut them before they see the final years of the deal. The only thing that will matter is bonuses and guarantees, when it comes to how much it limits the teams cap flexibility.

Some of you are probably the same type of people that have a single minor symptom, then go on WebMD, and come out thinking you have cancer.
 
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