Our future at Cornerback?

Sydla · Sep 6, 2019

Idgit said:
CB, DT, and S. Going to have to replace some players.

Yep.

Team is going to have a lot of interesting decisions after 2019. LB is another spot because Lee, Thomas and Covington are all up for new contracts too. That's the core of our LB depth.

I am hoping Thomas is still cheap next offseason because I think he's an ideal back up LB. He's athletic and flexible enough to play all three LB positions in a pinch. It might be time to move on from Lee, unless he comes cheap. Which he might if he just wants to run out his career here in Dallas.

Johnny23 · Sep 7, 2019

Sydla said:
I feel like these guys that are obsessed with interceptions were the same people that claimed Jalen Ramsey couldn't play CB in the NFL because he didn't have enough interceptions in college.

I disagree. And I was banging the drum for Ramsey on the official message boards. Jalen has been good getting turnovers in the pros man he's a stud. When we were winning in the 90's we had good turnovers margins. Super Bowl winners usually are better at creating turnovers then we are.

Brooksey · Sep 7, 2019

Sydla said:
You won’t have the cap space after signing Dak to do that unless you start restructuring.

This is the reality of spending like drunken sailors on offense (when we sign Dak and Cooper).

You are going to have to penny pinch on D.

We have like 75 million in cap next year,. We have money to sign Dak, cooper, Jones and two of the biggest free agents in football and we'll still have money left as a good portion will be paid in upfront bonus

Dak_Attack_09 · Sep 7, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
I will wait and let it all play out. Things have a way to work themselves out for the most part. If what I read is true, we will have around $85 million in cap space next year. Plenty of $$$ to sign everyone.

Need to retain2/3 of them preferably Jones.

DanA · Sep 7, 2019

brooksey1 said:
We have like 75 million in cap next year,. We have money to sign Dak, cooper, Jones and two of the biggest free agents in football and we'll still have money left as a good portion will be paid in upfront bonus

Given the number of free agents we have, I think it's a lot tighter than you are making out:
2020 free agents (estimated AAV):
Offense:
QB: D.Prescott (32m), C.Rush (2m)
WR: A.Cooper (18m), R.Cobb (6m), T.Austin (1m)
OL: C.Flemming (3m), X.Su'a Filo (2.5m), J.Looney (3m)
TE: B.Jarwin (3m), J.Witten (4m)

Defense:
DL: M.Collins (7m), A.Woods (4m), C.Covington (2m), R.Quinn (6m), K.Hyder (4m)
LB: S.Lee (4m), J.Thomas (2m),
CB: B.Jones (16m), A.Brown (5m), CJ Goodwin (1.5m)
S: J.Heath (3m), K.Fraizer (1m), D.Thompson (1m)

We don't have the cap room for everybody, we're going to have to make some tough decision even if we do free up cap space with restructures and back-ended contracts.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · Sep 7, 2019

We fans give love to the FO for finding gems in the draft. Well if this team is to stay ahead of the salary cap the need to find gems in URFA market also. Let me explain.

After a player has accrued three NFL season, that player is now eligible to sign a six year deal. So the URFA with three years under their belts, that aren't on anyone's team at the start of camp can be signed to a six year deal. If they aren't on anyone's team at the start of camp then we can probably sign those guys to a six year deal, with no signing bonus, for the veteran minimal. Just because they need and want a job. So if they want to get ahead of the cap that's where they need to start finding their gems at, the URFA market.

I say this because all of your backups don't need to be super stars. Just a thought. But if I was the coach this would be one area that would always be looking to exploit.

Brooksey · Sep 7, 2019

DanA said:
Given the number of free agents we have, I think it's a lot tighter than you are making out:
2020 free agents (estimated AAV):
Offense:
QB: D.Prescott (32m), C.Rush (2m)
WR: A.Cooper (18m), R.Cobb (6m), T.Austin (1m)
OL: C.Flemming (3m), X.Su'a Filo (2.5m), J.Looney (3m)
TE: B.Jarwin (3m), J.Witten (4m)

Defense:
DL: M.Collins (7m), A.Woods (4m), C.Covington (2m), R.Quinn (6m), K.Hyder (4m)
LB: S.Lee (4m), J.Thomas (2m),
CB: B.Jones (16m), A.Brown (5m), CJ Goodwin (1.5m)
S: J.Heath (3m), K.Fraizer (1m), D.Thompson (1m)

We don't have the cap room for everybody, we're going to have to make some tough decision even if we do free up cap space with restructures and back-ended contracts.

Yes we do plus some..new deals will not pay all that money in the first year as salary against the cap, a portion will be turned into bonus and spread out. Your numbers for Dak, Cooper and Jones are off for first year or two. Plus we most likely will not bring back Crawford 8 for million, Fleming for 5 million. It's so damn easy to get this done they're laughing... it's scary how well they have managed the cap after Romo with the good draft picks. We are in the best shape of anyone in the league with talent signed and on the team vs the cap

CCBoy · Sep 7, 2019

Hey, stick with the talent recently selected and continue towards a top shelf secondary...

charron · Sep 7, 2019

Byron will cost too much or he regresses and we move on. Ab is a possibility to sign for cheap and still draft a guy or 2 if no one else steps up.

gmoney112 · Sep 7, 2019

Sydla said:
Yep.

Team is going to have a lot of interesting decisions after 2019. LB is another spot because Lee, Thomas and Covington are all up for new contracts too. That's the core of our LB depth.

I am hoping Thomas is still cheap next offseason because I think he's an ideal back up LB. He's athletic and flexible enough to play all three LB positions in a pinch. It might be time to move on from Lee, unless he comes cheap. Which he might if he just wants to run out his career here in Dallas.

Covington is actually in his 2nd year. We took him last year. You probably got his name mixed up with the DT, who is indeed up at the end of the year.

JBond · Sep 7, 2019

CATCH17 said:
So what do you guys see happening?

Byron Jones, Chido, and Anthony Brown will all become available.

Can we potentially bring back all 3?

Would we pick Chido and Brown over Byron or vice versa?

It's looking like Corner is going to be the top priority in the 2020 draft.

It depends on our pass rush. If we prove our Dline is as good as we hope, secondary guys can be replaced. You can't pay everyone and it appears we are all in on building the lines.

1LoyalCowboyFan · Sep 7, 2019

BigTimeBlues said:
Assuming he has another year as he did last year, why is everyone on board with letting Byron walk? Money aside.

It be a lot nicer to pay CB1 money to a player who gets turnovers. He has length and can stick with receivers well. His biggest strength is covering TE’s. With Zeke signed, I can’t see him being kept.

buybuydandavis · Sep 7, 2019

I think that a Richard's secondary is designed to go bigger, longer, stronger, and therefore slower and cheaper at CB. Lots of press man and underneath coverage, depending on great S play over the top to protect the CBs.

CB is where I would expect us to cheap out in Richard's secondary, much as we cheap out at DT in Marinelli's dline.

We may never sign a big money free agent contract at CB, whether one of our own, or from another team.

buybuydandavis · Sep 7, 2019

kskboys said:
If I were Lewis, I'd get as far away from this org as I could.

Doesn't fit the scheme. Lewis will always be swimming upstream with Richard.

buybuydandavis · Sep 7, 2019

Dak_Attack_09 said:
The CAP goes up and new CBA will allow teams to use portion of their stadium / merchandising local revenue as roster bonuses for designated players.

This way teams their is a semi-hard CAP and if owners want to spend their own money to keep talent they can to a certain degree.

Why haven't we heard more about this?

That's a big change for the league and a yuge advantage for the Cowboys. I'd be surprised if any owner generated more local revenue than Jerry.

buybuydandavis · Sep 7, 2019

Outlaw Heroes said:
Richard has a bit of a history of turning late picks into top performers at CB so that may be the plan anyway.

This. Richard's bigger, longer, stronger, but thereby a little slower also means *cheaper*.

I can see us spending at FS for a stud. FS is what makes his defensive scheme go. Otherwise, we're cheaping out.

TheGoat73 · Sep 7, 2019

BigTimeBlues said:
Assuming he has another year as he did last year, why is everyone on board with letting Byron walk? Money aside.

BC you can’t put money aside. Not considering how much he will want if he has another good season.

buybuydandavis · Sep 7, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
Solid plan.

As it currently stands. Corner is one of their biggest needs in next years draft. Along with tight end, and DL.

I would be shocked if a corner isn’t drafted in the first 3 rounds next draft.

I expect DT.

I expect not TE. Or at least less of a TE, and more of a HB/FB/TE. We paid Olawale a lot. Look at him, and think better. We paid an old guy who was probably looking at veteran minimum elsewhere much more than the market price, and on a multiyear contract. We must have really wanted that type.

I see us with a multi runner offense. TB, Slot, FB, QB.

The standard TE doesn't fit between the 20s. *Unless* we take a legitimate T and teach him how to catch 3 yard dumpoffs.

Outlaw Heroes · Sep 7, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
This. Richard's bigger, longer, stronger, but thereby a little slower also means *cheaper*.

I can see us spending at FS for a stud. FS is what makes his defensive scheme go. Otherwise, we're cheaping out.

Could be that Woods is our stud at FS. We’ll see.

gimmesix · Sep 7, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
What makes you think Richard will be an improvement at DC? He just tried it out a couple years ago, it didn't go well for him.

Other than the Rams game last year, I kind of like the combination. Marinelli is very discipline-, line-oriented while Richard has a good grip on coverage and blitzing.

I know many here want to blame Marinelli for Taco not turning out, but I really don't know how much influence Marinelli has other than saying that he needs a DE or a DT, etc. It is McClay and his staff who determine whom Dallas should pick, and like with every scouting staff, they have some misses. Fortunately for us, they have been better than most even with Charlton not having established himself.

Our future at Cornerback?

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life