105.3 has upset me: Emmitt vs Barry

[CATCH17]

I don't know too many people that would argue against Barry being the best back of all time....saying so doesn't negate what Emmitt did......what Barry has going for him is that he had a subpar supporting cast. Its the same argument that they used against Dak last year......

But fact is, Emmitt did play with not only Pro Bowlers but Hall of Famers....Barry didn't get that same luxury.

IF you're going to discredit Emmitt for who he played with then I hope you don't think Jerry Rice is the best ever at WR.


Also, IMO Adrian Peterson is much better than Barry Sanders. Peterson just had durability concerns but as a NFL RB i'll take Peterson over Barry.

Peterson is as fast if not faster and give me his violent running nature over Barry's style.


If we're not going to take into consideration individual accomplishments like we do with every other position in pro sports then Adrian Peterson is the GOAT at RB.

If we judge the RB position like any other position in sports then it's Emmitt and it isn't even close.

 

[TheFinisher]

Saying "it's not debatable" is the only issue I have with what they said.

Those talks are a subjective exercise.

 

[TheFinisher]

Ladainian Tomlinson and Adrian Peterson were pretty fantastic players as well. Marshall Faulk, etc

There have just been too many great players, you can make arguments for a number of guys

 

[DFWJC]

I remember the New York Giants playoff game where he played 2 and one half quarters with a separated shoulder. I have never seen more grit from a running back than Emmitt in that game. He singlehanded put his team on his back and would not come out of the game. My money would be on Emmitt. Go Cowboys

That was amazing....and so NOT normal Emmitt.

Emmitt ran out of bounds to avoid contact more than (almost) any back I can ever recall.
On a positive side, long term, that allowed him to play 15 years and get the inividual records he so vocally proclaimed to want. Its why he hung around those last couple of years...for the records, certainly not for a love of the game at that point.

In the end, got his records AND some rings too
So god bless him

 

[CouchCoach]

Saying "it's not debatable" is the only issue I have with what they said.

Those talks are a subjective exercise.

I am not aware of anything not debatable. When someone states an opinion and covers that with "not debatable", that tells you a lot about that person and when their opinions are challenged, they usually fall back on emotion instead of logic.

If not for debate, this forum would not exist. And it's a kick in the butt to try and separate fact from opinion. The ego hitch of establishing one's opinion as fact is why I never listen to those morons on sports radio. The large majority of that is scripted for effect. Galloway's been doing that for years.

 

[Ring Leader]

The choice is really very simple......

VS......

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

IF you're going to discredit Emmitt for who he played with then I hope you don't think Jerry Rice is the best ever at WR.


Also, IMO Adrian Peterson is much better than Barry Sanders. Peterson just had durability concerns but as a NFL RB i'll take Peterson over Barry.

Peterson is as fast if not faster and give me his violent running nature over Barry's style.


If we're not going to take into consideration individual accomplishments like we do with every other position in pro sports then Adrian Peterson is the GOAT at RB.

If we judge the RB position like any other position in sports then it's Emmitt and it isn't even close.

Well if you have durability issues how can you even be in the discussion? His violent running style is why he has those durabilty issues to begin with.

I don't discredit Emmitt because of who he played with but I understand those that do.

And Jerry made Montana look great so how does that hurt Jerry in the best ever argument?

 

[CATCH17]

Well if you have durability issues how can you even be in the discussion? His violent running style is why he has those durabilty issues to begin with.

I don't discredit Emmitt because of who he played with but I understand those that do.

And Jerry made Montana look great so how does that hurt Jerry in the best ever argument?

You realize saying Jerry made Montana look great is like saying Emmitt made his line look great right?

 

[joseephuss]

That was amazing....and so NOT normal Emmitt.

Emmitt ran out of bounds to avoid contact more than (almost) any back I can ever recall.

There is nothing that supports this claim.

 

[DFWJC]

There is nothing that supports this claim.

Except that I watched every game and Emmitt even said it was on purpose.

Are you actually saying he didn't run out of bounds at the end of runs vs lowering his shoulder?
The strategy payed off,btw.
Marion Barber didnt do that...and also was washed up pretty quickly.

Emmitt ususally about conserving. He didn't work out hard core in the offseason and showed up as late as possible to training camp. He was not an intense practice player either....opposite of Irvin almost.

In his case,he didnt wear down and kept the tread on his tires. Good for him. Thats not for everyone, but it worked for him.
Btw, he claims he wasnt always that way. Not in his first year or two. Then the logic clicked in for him.

 

[joseephuss]

Except that I watched every game and Emmitt even said it was on purpose.

You don't have a monopoly on seeing him play. Just about everyone on this board watched every game Emmitt played, including myself.

Are you actually saying he didn't run out of bounds at the end of runs vs lowering his shoulder?

Did you just move the goal posts? Is that just long runs? Any long runs? Or specific long runs? Initially you said he intentionally ran out of bounds more than any running back that you could recall. I don't buy that claim at all and there is nothing that supports it.

 

[DFWJC]

You don't have a monopoly on seeing him play. Just about everyone on this board watched every game Emmitt played, including myself.



Did you just move the goal posts? Is that just long runs? Any long runs? Or specific long runs? Initially you said he intentionally ran out of bounds more than any running back that you could recall. I don't buy that claim at all and there is nothing that supports it.

Just be clear
I said "almost" any back I could "recall".

And of course, it goes without saying that I was referring to finishing runs that were near the sidelines. What else could it mean? Certainly not up the middle on 3rd and 2.

Not worth arguing. I don't think they keep stats on it, so you are correct that there no absolute proof.

If you want me to concede the point, I will.
Was not basing one of my favorite players.

 

[dallasdave]

Except that I watched every game and Emmitt even said it was on purpose.

Are you actually saying he didn't run out of bounds at the end of runs vs lowering his shoulder?
The strategy payed off,btw.
Marion Barber didnt do that...and also was washed up pretty quickly.

Emmitt ususally about conserving. He didn't work out hard core in the offseason and showed up as late as possible to training camp. He was not an intense practice player either....opposite of Irvin almost.

In his case,he didnt wear down and kept the tread on his tires. Good for him. Thats not for everyone, but it worked for him.
Btw, he claims he wasnt always that way. Not in his first year or two. Then the logic clicked in for him.

 

[dallasdave]

That is astronomically absurd
All-world level silly

imo, of course.

Look, we are so far apart on this particular topic it's not worth our time to even debate it.

At least we both think Emmitt was great...so we have that in common.

Yeah Emmitt was great and won 3 Super Bowls !!!!!

 

[DFWJC]

Yeah Emmitt was great and won 3 Super Bowls !!!!!

 

[Plankton]

Emmitt ran out of bounds to avoid contact more than (almost) any back I can ever recall.

Franco Harris says hi.

 

[dallasdave]

Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

 

[Thomas82]

Here is an excerpt from a blog I wrote last year:

To me, the belief that the best offensive line in the NFL can make rushing champions out of average RBs is up there with Jerry Jones saying years ago that "500 coaches could win the Super Bowl with this team". I honestly don't know which one is worse. By no means do I consider myself a football expert, but what I do know is this:No matter how great an offensive line is, you can't just put ANY running back behind them and expect the production to be the same. I have seen too much evidence over the years that proves this theory to be false.

People forget that running back is a SKILL position. Does the RB have the ability to make incoming defensive players miss or run over them? Does he have the breakaway speed to outrun defenders when he gets into the open field? Can he pick up yards after contact? What about getting those tough 1 or 2 yards on 3rd down when everybody in the stadium knows that he's getting the ball? Can he get those tough yards when adjustments are made after halftime, where most games are usually won or lost? Nobody remembers or even cares that you got off to a fast start if you can't finish. Does the RB have receiving skills? Can he protect the quarterback on passing plays? All of those traits factor into being a complete RB with all of the skills necessary to handle the position.

What also gets overlooked with RBs is the fact that maximizing the blocking in front of you is a skill. It's a skill that not all backs have in equal proportion. Even with a great offensive line, a RB still has to know how to hit the hole, when to hit it, when to be patient, and how he can use his vision to keep the chains moving. There have been a few running backs over the years that have benefited from great blocking more than most, but the best backs are creators. They use their physical abilities and the understanding of the system they play in to make things happen in unfavorable situations. In other words, they have the ability to do more than what their blockers create if need be. Emmitt Smith had all of these skills in abundance. That's why it's BS to say that he was only good because of his offensive line.

 

[Thomas82]

From the same blog:

Back then (and still to this day), there was a widespread assumption that if Barry Sanders had Emmitt Smith's offensive line he would do better than Emmitt. The exact words I hear people use most are, "If Barry had Emmitt's line he would have 2,000 yards every year." I'm sorry, but nobody will ever get me to believe that one. This has nothing to do with me being a Cowboys fan. First of all, Emmitt and Barry had different running styles. If Barry had run behind the Cowboys' line, would he have developed the patience to wait for them to open up holes? What about waiting for the right moment to explode up the field? Those 2 skills were critical necessities behind that offensive line.

Even if you replace a back with another one that's similar in talent level, but is a different style runner, it still won't work......especially if the line is built to fit the RB that you replaced. Barry ran a bunch of tosses and sweeps because he had that extra gear that Emmitt didn't have, which has nothing to do with ball control and eating up the clock. I'm not sure the Cowboys had a line that could handle that style of runner. With all the size they had, they were more built for north-south runners. Not having the right back to compliment your line will limit what your offense can do. In other words, you can't just put a different style runner behind an offensive line - even if it is Emmitt or Barry - and expect the same results.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You realize saying Jerry made Montana look great is like saying Emmitt made his line look great right?

No.......now saying Jerry made Joe look great is like saying Emmit's offensive line made him look great.