105.3 has upset me: Emmitt vs Barry

BAT · Jul 19, 2017

perrykemp said:
And yet averaged 5.0 ypc carry over his career.

3 championship rings, most total rushing yards and most TDs by a RB trumps that 0.8 ypc differential.

jrumann59 · Jul 19, 2017

perrykemp said:
And yet averaged 5.0 ypc carry over his career.

he was the definition of a homerun hitter. a lot of strike outs but at least one long run run. ypc in in a vacuum is impressive but if 1/2 your carries are for nothing what difference does it make. I would have a guy with 20 carries netting 10 1st downs and 1 TD then one guy with 20 carries and only netting 1 TD and possibly tackled a few times for huge losses. Which is one is beneficial to teams scheme

Silver Surfer · Jul 19, 2017

zack said:
Don't feel bad. You could have been me growing up in metro Detroit during this era. I could never win this arguement. I would say that the only time I got traction was when Barry QUIT on his team.

One of the biggest problems I have with everyone's argument is that Barry had a bad line. That's completely false. People actually think that Barry could run for 2000 yards on his own.

The other argument was that if he had The Dallas offensive line/Moose. A guy I played with in college had the oppprtunity to be a FB for Barry playing against the Giants. My former teammate was not a FB in college, but a LB. watching the game, he made several crushing blocks against LBs, however Barry failed to stay in the hole and follow his blocks. Just my 2 cents.

Here's my 2 cents: I grew up in the Detroit area and lived there until the early 1980's. I lived in Dallas in during the 90's and have remained a Cowboys fan ever since. I never felt bad about considering Sanders a better running back than Emmitt.

DFWJC · Jul 19, 2017

jrumann59 said:
he was the definition of a homerun hitter. a lot of strike outs but at least one long run run. ypc in in a vacuum is impressive but if 1/2 your carries are for nothing what difference does it make. I would have a guy with 20 carries netting 10 1st downs and 1 TD then one guy with 20 carries and only netting 1 TD and possibly tackled a few times for huge losses. Which is one is beneficial to teams scheme

Except 1/2 of his carries were not nothing
That has been radically exaggerrated

dallasdave · Jul 19, 2017

DFWJC said:
Except 1/2 of his carries were not nothing
That has been radically exaggerrated

DejectedFan1996 · Jul 19, 2017

The only people that think Emmitt is better than Barry are Cowboys fans.

It's also interesting that the same reasons people use to defend Romo to refute his naysayers points, are the same people using the naysayers points to discredit Barry while using the Romo naysayers points to give credit to Emmitt.

PJTHEDOORS · Jul 19, 2017

DejectedFan1996 said:
The only people that think Emmitt is better than Barry are Cowboys fans.

It's also interesting that the same reasons people use to defend Romo to refute his naysayers points, are the same people using the naysayers points to discredit Barry while using the Romo naysayers points to give credit to Emmitt.

Ok. Screw the CBoys, I loathe them. And oh ya, Emmitt is better. You like homerun speed, you like Barry. You like everything else, you like Emmitt.

Ranched · Jul 20, 2017

dallasdave said:
Well said indeed SIR !!!!!

Why thank you dear. Psst....I'm a MA'AM.

ZekeTrain · Jul 20, 2017

Not going to read through all 12 pages but for my money Barry was the better pure runner while Emmitt was the better all around running back. Be it blocking, catching, blitz pick up or even just his over all stamina/toughness. He never had to come out of the game like Barry did. So while he might not have been the fastest or the flashiest he was the better over all player, imo.

Zeke is a lot like Emmitt and the sooner our coaches understand that the sooner we can stop wasting his talents on 3rd down by letting whatever back up take his snaps.

Thomas82 · Jul 20, 2017

ZekeTrain said:
Not going to read through all 12 pages but for my money Barry was the better pure runner while Emmitt was the better all around running back. Be it blocking, catching, blitz pick up or even just his over all stamina/toughness. He never had to come out of the game like Barry did. So while he might not have been the fastest or the flashiest he was the better over all player, imo.

Zeke is a lot like Emmitt and the sooner our coaches understand that the sooner we can stop wasting his talents on 3rd down by letting whatever back up take his snaps.

Cosign!!

DFWJC · Jul 20, 2017

Barry Sanders did have over 30 carries a year for negative yards.

I finally looked it up.

About 1 out of every 10 carries he had went for negative yards.

HOWEVER
That means 9 out 10 times he carried the ball, he made yardage....and those carries averaged a outerworldly 5.9 yards per carry for 10 years!!

Again...
So 9 out of 10 times he touched the ball, the team made yardage averaging 5.9 yards.
Massive offensive weapon.

That comment has nothing to do with or distract from our Emmitt...who was amazing.

I'm just sick of these tall tales of Sanders losing yardage every other carry.
Thats bs.

haleyrules · Jul 20, 2017

daboyzruleperiod said:
Why thank you dear. Psst....I'm a MA'AM.

Ha! You keep running into the gender mixup!!

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haleyrules · Jul 20, 2017

DejectedFan1996 said:
The only people that think Emmitt is better than Barry are Cowboys fans.

It's also interesting that the same reasons people use to defend Romo to refute his naysayers points, are the same people using the naysayers points to discredit Barry while using the Romo naysayers points to give credit to Emmitt.

Ha! That shouldn't come as a big surprise. I bet Lion fans think Sanders was better!

haleyrules · Jul 20, 2017

BAT said:
3 championship rings, most total rushing yards and most TDs by a RB trumps that 0.8 ypc differential.

Amen. The Defense rests!

CATCH17 · Jul 20, 2017

BAT said:
3 championship rings, most total rushing yards and most TDs by a RB trumps that 0.8 ypc differential.

We never saw Barry get old either. I think that hurts Emmitt a little. Especially in the YPC department.

MichaelValentino · Jul 20, 2017

SultanOfSix said:
I think Jimmy said it best. Barry was the better runner, but Emmitt was the better running back.

For my two cents, this sums it up the best.

Barry was more naturally gifted - no argument there. Emmitt was the better multi-purpose, three-down back.

And this does not apply only to the Barry vs. Emmitt debate but to other comparisons. Gale Sayers was the better runner and more electrifying with incredible moves and sprinter speed; Walter Payton was the better back. Eric Dickerson could run inside and outside, was graceful and fast; Payton was the better back. Tony Dorsett had the best acceleration of any back I've seen (I even think he hit the hole and first five yards past the line better than Bo Jackson) and was a thing of beauty to watch; Payton was the better back.

Barry was sheer electricity, a highlight reel in pads. Emmitt ran harder and better between the tackles, was better in short yardage and goal line situations, and was probably the best back at consistent blitz pick-up I've seen who was not named Walter Payton. I love Barry. But Emmitt, like Payton, had the heart of a lion.

Barry had incredible numbers but his career YPC was not "diluted" by diminished production had he played into his 11th, 12th or 13th season when his 4.4 speed would be 4.5 or a hick-up slower.

Most of the experts will rate Barry above Emmitt and in the top 3 all-time. That's ok. Give me Emmitt. He and Michael were the heart of those great 90s champions. I'll take Emmitt and his rings.