105.3 has upset me: Emmitt vs Barry

[Jake]

So I'm listening to 105.3 the fan and they say that Barry is better than Emmitt and it's not debatable for anyone outside of the metroplex and then 2 seconds later they say Jerry Rice is better than Randy Moss and it's not debatable.

Why would this upset you? Had they said Emmitt was the greatest everyone in Dallas would nod their heads and move on. They're just stirring the pot and it worked.

Training camp starts soon.

 

[NoLuv4Jerry]

The other guys that Dallas had running behind the line were scrubs. I'm not choosing sides between Emmitt and Barry, but Dallas picked up a lot of trash to back up Emmitt in the early 90s. That is why they did not like HOFers behind the o-line. The Cowboys didn't bring in a competent back up until they signed Chris Warren and then they misused both him and Emmitt.

They may have not been as talented as Emmit...but you cannot call them scrubs AFTER the results are in. If Emmit did not get touched until he was 5 yards past the LOS as many suggest...then shouldn't that be the case for any RB on a NFL roster? Didn't we use a 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB out of Alabama...I think his last name was Sherman...was he a baller BEFORE the game...then reduced to a scrub after the results were in? Or was he a scrub because he was not as good as Emmit. Or perhaps he was not a scrub at all...but Emmit was REALLY REALLY good. Some of you would think the person that wins a 3 pt contest or a dunk contest are really good basketball players...but put them in a fullcourt game with 9 other people...and making 3 pointer or dunks is not NEARLY as easy. Barry was electric in the open field.....but could he read defenses like Emmit? Could he set up defenders? Could he pick the right hole around the goaline......BEFORE the hole was obvious to everyone. There is an art to running around the goaline...and Emmit did it better than most. There is an art to picking up blitzing LBers....Emmit was one of the best to ever do it. There is more to being a RB than "juking" people...the NFL is not a Madden game!

 

[erod]

Barry was better in the open field that's it. To say Barry was better than Emmitt in anything else hands down is way off.

Emmitt spent most of his career in the open field between the tackles. LOL

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Emmitt spent most of his career in the open field between the tackles. LOL

Otay.

 

[erod]

Otay.

Emmitt's true brilliance was his ability to maximize runs given the blocking available. Supreme vision, as good as there ever was. But he rarely just created yards out of purely nothing.

Barry wasn't quite as good between the tackles, but he had the ability to create home runs out of singles. Both were complete backs, but Emmitt was a bit more so.

Here's the bottom line: Sanders would have been brilliant in Dallas, too, but Emmitt would have had a much tougher time being a superstar in Detroit.

 

[big dog cowboy]

If Emmitt was drafted by a scrub team

He was.

 

[joseephuss]

They may have not been as talented as Emmit...but you cannot call them scrubs AFTER the results are in. If Emmit did not get touched until he was 5 yards past the LOS as many suggest...then shouldn't that be the case for any RB on a NFL roster? Didn't we use a 1st or 2nd round pick on a RB out of Alabama...I think his last name was Sherman...was he a baller BEFORE the game...then reduced to a scrub after the results were in? Or was he a scrub because he was not as good as Emmit. Or perhaps he was not a scrub at all...but Emmit was REALLY REALLY good. Some of you would think the person that wins a 3 pt contest or a dunk contest are really good basketball players...but put them in a fullcourt game with 9 other people...and making 3 pointer or dunks is not NEARLY as easy. Barry was electric in the open field.....but could he read defenses like Emmit? Could he set up defenders? Could he pick the right hole around the goaline......BEFORE the hole was obvious to everyone. There is an art to running around the goaline...and Emmit did it better than most. There is an art to picking up blitzing LBers....Emmit was one of the best to ever do it. There is more to being a RB than "juking" people...the NFL is not a Madden game!

Sherman Williams was a scrub. I said it when Dallas drafted him. He was a small back that ran upright and didn't do anything that well. He also had an attitude problem. Me thinking those guys are scrubs doesn't take anything away from Emmitt Smith. He is one of the best to ever play the position.

 

[DFWJC]

Oh come on.


It was clear Emmitt was better at Blocking, catching, and anything that involved any type of power running.

Blocking, yes...though Moose was the main guy for that.
Not so sure about catching...Catch. Barry's receiving stats were a bit better, so it was at least very close.

Neither were Marshall Faulk in that area.

The is no question, though, that Emmitt was a supreme all-around RB.

 

[joseephuss]

Convenient that anyone could run behind that OLine but when they did the were trash or misused.

There was nothing convenient about those guys being trash or misused. I didn't think much of Derek Lassic, Lincoln Coleman or Sherman Williams when Dallas brought them to the team. They just weren't that good. I liked the idea of bringing Chris Warren in to be a back up. He was a proven guy. They decided to use him as a 3rd round back instead of as a true back up, which was dumb. First it took Emmitt off the field on 3rd downs and Emmitt was a solid receiving threat and a good blocker. Warren was also a 3 down back. He should have been used every few series to give Emmitt a breather instead of just as a 3rd down back. That was a terrible misuse of both players.

 

[MonsterD]

I think Barry would have had multiple 2K seasons behind the Dallas Oline, but we will never know.

 

[erod]

He was.

Not for a career.

Curt Warner could have been an all-time great, but he was buried in Seattle. Same for Rickey Bell in Tampa Bay.

 

[DFWJC]

Emmitt's true brilliance was his ability to maximize runs given the blocking available. Supreme vision, as good as there ever was. But he rarely just created yards out of purely nothing.

Barry wasn't quite as good between the tackles, but he had the ability to create home runs out of singles. Both were complete backs, but Emmitt was a bit more so.

Here's the bottom line: Sanders would have been brilliant in Dallas, too, but Emmitt would have had a much tougher time being a superstar in Detroit.

I agree that Barry would have (still) been all world in Dallas.
His stats may have been so far ahead of everyone it'd be like J Rice's numbers are to everyone else's. We'll never know, of course.

However, I suspect Emmitt would still have been extremely good in Detroit..
The guy was a superstar in HS, college, and pro.

 

[erod]

I agree that Barry would have been all world in Dallas. His stats may have been so far ahead of everyone it's be like Rice's numbers are to everyone else's. We'll never know, of course.

However, I suspect Emmitt would still have been extremely good in Detroit..
The guy was a superstar in HS, college, and pro.

Good, yes. But not the all-time leading rusher. Not even close.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Emmitt's true brilliance was his ability to maximize runs given the blocking available. Supreme vision, as good as there ever was. But he rarely just created yards out of purely nothing.

Barry wasn't quite as good between the tackles, but he had the ability to create home runs out of singles. Both were complete backs, but Emmitt was a bit more so.

Here's the bottom line: Sanders would have been brilliant in Dallas, too, but Emmitt would have had a much tougher time being a superstar in Detroit.

Nah, Emmitt would have been Emmitt in Detroit.

 

[Tabascocat]

I think Barry would have had multiple 2K seasons behind the Dallas Oline, but we will never know.

Or he could have made them look average due to the fact it is hard to block for someone who you never know which way he is going to go...but we will never know

 

[TNCowboy]

Barry Sanders had a very good OL. That's a red herring.

Emmitt's line in the early years was a mishmash cobbled together by Jimmy and Co. Were Tuinei, Newton, and Gogan anything special pre-Emmitt?

Sanders was more spectacular, no doubt about it. But moving the chains wins titles and Emmitt did that better than anyone of his era.

 

[MonsterD]

Or he could have made them look average due to the fact it is hard to block for someone who you never know which way he is going to go...but we will never know

That running style wasn't a style it was a necessity because his line got him hit in the backfield so often. Cart before horse, he would have had holes with a better line, including Dallas'.

 

[DFWJC]

Or he could have made them look average due to the fact it is hard to block for someone who you never know which way he is going to go...but we will never know

He'd start making moves 5 yards down field instead of in the backfield.
I exaggerate, but you get the point. He was GREAT at running through holes when they were there.

 

[erod]

Nah, Emmitt would have been Emmitt in Detroit.

All-time leading rusher? Not a chance in Hades.

 

[MonsterD]

Barry Sanders had a very good OL. That's a red herring.

Emmitt's line in the early years was a mishmash cobbled together by Jimmy and Co. Were Tuinei, Newton, and Gogan anything special pre-Emmitt?

Sanders was more spectacular, no doubt about it. But moving the chains wins titles and Emmitt did that better than anyone of his era.

Wasn't a good line, but it was the run and shoot that was problematic too, it didn't help the running game but spacing out defenders, it made it more of a gamble.