13 years

[superpunk]

Quick somebody start a thread on our inability to draft offensive linemen. WE NEED FRESH TOPICS!!!!!

 

[Doomsday101]

Didn't you get the memo? This is reality-free zone. You're supposed to be [strike]delusional[/strike] optimistic and regurgitate Valley Ranch-approved talking points all day long. In the words of Basil Fawlty, "Don't mention the war." Just pretend all is well and has been for quite some time.

That is reality? To think this team is nothing but 1 big negative incapable of winning? I would think reality is understand strength and potential weakness know if you can overcome one you have a chance to win big and if not then the odds of winning are slim. Sitting around playing these pity games of oh why me is no more reality than those saying we are a sure thing.

 

[bbgun]

I don't think you read his post. He said, "assume the worst." As in, take one extreme, rather than another. The rest of us are somewhere in the middle, more closely aligned with the likely reality.

Present company excluded.

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[theogt]

Present company excluded.

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If the worst case scenario is 9 wins (2008) and the best case scenario is 13 wins (2007), then yeah 12 wins would be "somewhere in the middle." Given that I believe injuries were the most significant factor in causing us to only win 9 wins in 2008, being one game higher than the average of those two seasons seems to be one of the more likely scenarios to me.

But hey, who cares about logic!?! Let's just all be EMO!!!!!!!11111111

 

[bbgun]

That is reality? To think this team is nothing but 1 big negative incapable of winning? I would think reality is understand strength and potential weakness know if you can overcome one you have a chance to win big and if not then the odds of winning are slim. Sitting around playing these pity games of oh why me is no more reality than those saying we are a sure thing.

Huh? The OP said "this has to be our year." That sounds kinda positive to me. Months ago I predicted 10-6 and a playoff spot, and I'll stick to that. What I was referring to is the reality and disappointment of the past dozen years. Sure there have been good moments, but we hold this franchise to a higher standard than say Detroit.

 

[rcaldw]

This is 100% dead on.

The fact that he's left himself at GM after all these years of failure verifies it. Any other NFL owner would've fired a GM with his record of UNsuccess since 1995.

You got it. But Theogt thinks that is something irrational to believe. I'll tell you what is irrational. To believe that a guy really wants to win when he keeps himself in the GM spot for 13 straight years without a playoff win is irrational.

To believe he views the football team as a play toy that he spent a lot of money on, therefore he has a "right" to play football man even if it means 13 straight years without a playoff win, to me, that is rational, because that is exactly what he has done.

 

[bbgun]

If the worst case scenario is 9 wins (2008) and the best case scenario is 13 wins (2007), then yeah 12 wins would be "somewhere in the middle." Given that I believe injuries were the most significant factor in causing us to only win 9 wins in 2008, being one game higher than the average of those two seasons seems to be one of the more likely scenarios to me.

But hey, who cares about logic. Let's just all be EMO!!!!!!!11111111

No, you clearly based it on a cursory look at training camp, which is insane. But hey, I'm talking to a guy who has more "football acumen" than the men and women who do this sort of thing for a living. And to think I once called you an egomaniac.

 

[rcaldw]

We all handle thing different, I go into the season with high hopes and realize that if they do not play to their ability then it could be a long season.

I'm not blind to our areas of concern but I'm also not so negitive that I overlook areas where this team can be extreamly strong in this season.

I agree with this, and I actually believe we will WIN a playoff game this year.

But truthfully, every "hot seat" article that gets written should be aimed at Jerry Jones.

Jerry has been given more patience than any QB we have had.
Jerry has been given more patience than any coach we have had. (I'm talking GM Jerry now)
Jerry has been given more patience than any other GM around the league.

I would love to see Jerry extend his "expectations" to himself, and say, "no playoff win, I step down as GM".

Won't happen, but would love to see it.

 

[Chief]

I look for just about any reason to post that picture of Jerry. It's a classic slick salesman photo.

I think Jerry was a huge part of the problem in the 1990s after Jimmy left and before Parcells arrived. He made mistake after mistake from 1995-2002. Everything from trades, to drafts, to scouting stuff, to hirings.

Hiring Parcells in 2003 was a good thing for several reasons -- it sent Lacewell packing, improved the scouting/personnel part of the franchise, and brought some discipline and talent. Maybe most importantly, it gave Jerry and the Cowboys credibility again.

The team has been considered one of the most talented in the NFL the past three years, so something good has happened. Jerry did something right. I don't agree with everything he's doing, but he's getting better.

Personnel-wise, Jerry has the Cowboys in good shape (except for offensive line depth). It's up to the coaches and players to get it done now. Accountability is everything this year.

Jerry's big selling point right now is the stadium. Apparently, it gets people excited about the upcoming season, and perhaps takes their minds off the playoff-win drought.

I'm fairly optimistic about this season because of the talent on hand. I could care a less about the stadium.

 

[theogt]

No, you clearly based it on a cursory look at training camp, which is insane.

No, I clearly based it on a high level of familiarity with the team and the schedule. Without going to camp I would have said at least 10 or 11 wins based on the team (and especially the QB) being healthy. After going to training camp and seeing how well Romo and the receiving targets were performing I bumped a my prediction up a whopping 1-2 games. One of my initial worries was the lack of receiving targets and Romo losing focus and I put that worry to rest after seeing them actually perform.

But hey, In talking to a guy who has more "football acumen" than the men and women who do this for a living. And to think I once called you an egomaniac.

Their job is journalism. They're no more NFL scouts or experts than the rest of us. Most of them know very little about football, so my claim wasn't a boast for myself as it doesn't say much.

 

[rcaldw]

Huh? The OP said "this has to be our year." That sounds kinda positive to me. Months ago I predicted 10-6 and a playoff spot, and I'll stick to that. What I was referring to is the reality and disappointment of the past dozen years. Sure there have been good moments, but we hold this franchise to a higher standard than say Detroit.

Thanks BBgun, you read me correctly. I DO believe we can get it this year. But we are not the Lions, or the Cardinals, or the other host of traditional losers that some want to trot our there to make fans who can remember another standard "feeeeeel" better. Want to talk about EMO?

 

[Doomsday101]

I agree with this, and I actually believe we will WIN a playoff game this year.

But truthfully, every "hot seat" article that gets written should be aimed at Jerry Jones.

Jerry has been given more patience than any QB we have had.
Jerry has been given more patience than any coach we have had. (I'm talking GM Jerry now)
Jerry has been given more patience than any other GM around the league.

I would love to see Jerry extend his "expectations" to himself, and say, "no playoff win, I step down as GM".

Won't happen, but would love to see it.

And Jerry has caught more hell than anyone in this franchise. I don't see where Jerry has ever been given a free pass. What I do believe is Jerry is who he is and will be involved with this team and I think over the course of time he has learned a few things one I think he does listen to those around him such as the scouts and coaches than he has in the past. Will this pay off? I think it will as we have seen the talent base of this team increase over the last 2 to 3 years.

 

[rcaldw]

And Jerry has caught more hell than anyone in this franchise. I don't see where Jerry has ever been given a free pass. What I do believe is Jerry is who he is and will be involved with this team and I think over the course of time he has learned a few things one I think he does listen to those around him such as the scouts and coaches than he has in the past. Will this pay off? I think it will as we have seen the talent base of this team increase over the last 2 to 3 years.

I hope you are right (about it getting better into the future), but catching "hell" without any real accountability (the threat of losing your job as GM) really means nothing. You just have to wait til the cats quit crying outside. May get on your nerves, but they are still outside.

 

[bbgun]

Their job is journalism. They're no more NFL scouts or experts than the rest of us. Most of them know very little about football, so my claim wasn't a boast for myself as it doesn't say much.

Guys who write about this team 24/7, break down tape, and conduct extensive interviews are no better than you or me? Interesting supposition. Makes me wonder why their employers haven't replaced them with 16-yo bloggers for a fraction of the price. Last time I checked, you were a lawyer by day and a mere fan by night. Nor have I ever seen a whistle around your neck, so forgive me for not being wowed by your amateurish "analysis." But hey, I'm sure Wade will start Felix on your say-so alone. :laugh2:

 

[theogt]

Guys who write about this team 24/7, break down tape, and conduct extensive interviews are no better than you or me? Interesting supposition. Makes me wonder why their employers haven't replaced them with 16-yo bloggers for a fraction of the price. Last time I checked, you were a lawyer by day and a mere fan by night. Nor have I ever seen a whistle around your neck, so forgive me for not being wowed by your amateurish "analysis." But hey, I'm sure Wade will start Felix on your say-so alone. :laugh2:

Maybe you haven't noticed, but there are quite a few people on this message board who write as much about the team as the beat writers, and certainly "break down" as much or more tape than they do. This is why when a guy like Breer comes in he's so greatly appreciated. Its nice to actually have a writer that knows a thing or two about football. But hey, if Timmy Mac is a "football expert" in your eyes, maybe that says more about you than MacMahon.

Nice of you to actually drop out of the actually football discussion in this thread and only go with the personal attack, by the way.

 

[Doomsday101]

I hope you are right (about it getting better into the future), but catching "hell" without any real accountability (the threat of losing your job as GM) really means nothing. You just have to wait til the cats quit crying outside. May get on your nerves, but they are still outside.

Accountability is up to each fan watch them or not. This is Jerry team paid in full. I have not always agreed with things Jerry has done but I do think anything he does he does so with trying to make this team better. I was very much opposed to bringing in TO and Pacman but I understood why.

I look at today’s team and see much more talent on this team than where we were from the late 90's to 2005 so yes I have legit reason at least in my mind to think this team has a good chance at getting back to the top.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I don't understand what the problem is exactly.

:laugh2: Pipe down skins homer.

 

[rcaldw]

Accountability is up to each fan watch them or not. This is Jerry team paid in full. I have not always agreed with things Jerry has done but I do think anything he does he does so with trying to make this team better. I was very much opposed to bringing in TO and Pacman but I understood why.

I look at today’s team and see much more talent on this team than where we were from the late 90's to 2005 so yes I have legit reason at least in my mind to think this team has a good chance at getting back to the top.

I believe we can get a playoff win this year. I really do. But you are making my point. Which is, Jerry wants to win so long as he plays the role in it that he, AS OWNER has determined he will play. He is not a GM on MERIT, he is a GM by PURCHASE. And if that is not the best thing for the Dallas Cowboys, then tough, because that is the way Jerry has determined it is going to be. And that makes my other point, that catching "hell" means nothing, because there are no real repercussions associated with it. You could argue fan support, but when you have purchased the #1 brand name in sports, with a winning history that stretches back into the 60's, the NFL version of the New York Yankees, what are the chances your team will become irrelevant?

Thus you have 13 non playoff winning seasons in a row with the owner as GM.

 

[SkinsandTerps]

:laugh2: Pipe down skins homer.

I gotta try every now and then ya know.

What's up B ? Hope things are well.

 

[theogt]

I believe we can get a playoff win this year. I really do. But you are making my point. Which is, Jerry wants to win so long as he plays the role in it that he, AS OWNER has determined he will play. He is not a GM on MERIT, he is a GM by PURCHASE. And if that is not the best thing for the Dallas Cowboys, then tough, because that is the way Jerry has determined it is going to be. And that makes my other point, that catching "hell" means nothing, because there are no real repercussions associated with it. You could argue fan support, but when you have purchased the #1 brand name in sports, with a winning history that stretches back into the 60's, the NFL version of the New York Yankees, what are the chances your team will become irrelevant?

Thus you have 13 non playoff winning seasons in a row with the owner as GM.

Your point apparently is that Jerry wants to be the GM of the Dallas Cowboys. Congratulations on this profound discovery.