2 More Sacks For Merriman

[Bob Sacamano]

if all of you are so happy with ware as an all around linebacker than stop complaining during the game in the game threads about our lack of pressure on the qb. because we drafted ware for that exact purpose and merriman is better at it. simple.

we can't stop complaining about a lack of pressure when Ware is getting double-teamed and schemed against, and noone is taking that pressure off of him, and some of that is on him, he's not winning his individual battles consistently, but even though Merriman may be a better pass-rusher, Ware isn't chopped-liver there

something that Merriman has, and Ware doesn't, is players like Shaun Phillips lining up at the other OLB spot

 

[lyrclcipha12]

Hey Einstein I didn't say they were the same game. I said they work and they matter and I gave you 2 examples, one of them personal 1st hand knowledge.

You don't want to take my word for it they work, fine. Go educate yourself on the topic and get back to us about whether they actually work or help. We'll wait for your input.

no, im sure they work. im just saying theyre not the only reason the guy is a great linebacker. all ive seen since the steroid allegations is complete writing him off as a good player like steroids are the only thing that made him when in fact the guy is going to be a good player and strong as hell with or without steroids.

 

[burmafrd]

Basically Steroids builds muscle- increases mass. The downsides are well known- Lyle Alzado being the first really famous example of what lots of roids does to you if you take them for many years. I have had to take a dose of steroids for a while to take care of a medical problem; they are not the same as the types of roids that build muscle - but are in the same general family. The downsides are that sufficient amounts can destroy your kidneys, Liver, pancreas, joints cartilage and other soft tissue. They can literally eat you up if you take enough of them long enough in high enough doses. The link to cancer is not yet proven but it would not suprise me.

 

[Hostile]

no, im sure they work. im just saying theyre not the only reason the guy is a great linebacker. all ive seen since the steroid allegations is complete writing him off as a good player like steroids are the only thing that made him when in fact the guy is going to be a good player and strong as hell with or without steroids.

See Tony Mandarich and David Boston for examples of how a player can plummet without the benefit of the juice.

 

[burmafrd]

Merriman suddenly muscled up. That is usually a tip off right there. It should take a person at least one year of weight training to increase his mass by 10%. Merriman went up by much more then that in less then a year.

 

[Ben_n_austin]

So... in a couple of hours we have a game that determines the direction of our team in regards to personnel for our immediate future and years to come, and we are having another Merriman/Ware debate?

Face it guys. We didn't draft Merriman. He will never play for this team. We have a quality player in his stead and there are more important things to discuss...

Agreed on Merriman vs. Ware, Trick. I'll echo what another poster in this thread has already said. Steroids will be his undoing. At least we know that Ware is clean. You can look at him and tell that. And the 3 year rule hasn't passed by. Not to mention, Ware does a lot of different things than just rush the QB: tackles behind the line, pass coverage, pressures, fumbles, recoveries. I'd say that he's doing a pretty good job.

I think, though, if people want to discuss Merriman vs Ware, let them do it. You can't really dictate what others talk about....


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Personally, I'd rather discuss Romo's potential to ignite this offense in this up and coming game! And I don't think that I could have said it better, Trick. This game has a lot of meaning, and a lot is riding on it, including Parcells future.

Of course, the season is 16 games long. If we lose tonight, that doesn't necesarily mean that we rolled over and said "die"...

But it is interesting how the chips have unfolded ... is it not?

Suddenly, Cowboy fans are looking at their team and the undrafted underdog is the the captain of the ship. The Tony Romo banned wagon has begun full swing. Literally!

Not many people would have even thunk of that if you were to ask them about it a year ago.

I guess life really is like a box of chocolates...

I'm hoping to get a victory out of that box tonight, though. And I think this offense suits Romo's abilities a lot better than Drew Bledsoe, Drew Henson or that scrub on our practice squad even. Romo's mobility alone will keep teams from doing to us what they've been doing to us with Bledsoe behind center.

I think that our offensive line will have an easier time protecting Bledsoe, and I think that Romo will develop a chemistry that no other QB has with Owens. Romo is that "in your face" kind of player that you really can't intimidate, even if you can kick his arse. He won't back down.

That's what I've always liked about Romo. Those kinds of guys make good football players. You need a guy to have that fierce competitiveness. Baseball players can get by without that. Sure, they're good athletes, but they don't have that killer instinct, if you will.

I think Romo getting the reins says a lot of things: The Bledsoe era is over; our coaching staff has confidence in Romo; Romo has earned the start the old fashioned way and we're going to rally behind him.

This is something that we have never faced before. Some of us don't know what to do with ourselves. OH NO! HE WASN'T DRAFTED!!! et cetera.

But this is a gamble that apparently our team was willing to face. The team and its staff have a lot to lose (or win!), but I feel good about it. I've been on this Romo banned wagon for quite some time. Win, lose or draw I'll enjoy the ride; it's been a long one.

As the founding member, I extend my hand to you. Come into my wagon. I invite you and all of the others to be a part of this.

We could even make a Red Flyer wagon with Romo pulling it ...

Hold on to your socks, Cowboys fans. The no-talent kid with the noodle arm is getting the start tonite ...

 

[lyrclcipha12]

BP drafted Ware to be a complete LB. Not just rush the passer. Some people...

uhh all i heard was we finally had our guy who was going to be our first dominant pass rusher since haley. he was drafted to put pressure on the qb. ill second that some people. ware was a defensive end in college, why would parcells draft a defensive end if he wanted a complete linebacker and not more of a pass rusher. some people...

 

[Jimz31]

but WE DRAFTED WARE MAINLY TO PUT PRESSURE ON THE QB!! thats what we wanted with the pick, a pass rusher. merriman is the better pass rusher and thats all i heard from that pick two years ago. now all of your are justifying it like we drafted ware to be an all around linebacker. no we drafted carpenter to do that, but we see how well thats worked out. if all of you are so happy with ware as an all around linebacker than stop complaining during the game in the game threads about our lack of pressure on the qb. because we drafted ware for that exact purpose and merriman is better at it. simple.

You also need to look at SYSTEMS...as in DEFENSIVE SYSTEMS.

Our defensive system is asking the players to do something different than other teams systems.

Face it....Merriman would NOT have the same # of sacks if he were here instead of SD. Heck, it's possible that he could have fewer than Ware has.

Prior to today, Merriman came in with TWO AND A HALF more sacks than Ware....you are talking like he was leading the league prior to today. PLUS, he got 3 sacks against a porous Oakland O-line.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Merriman went up by much more then that in less then a year.

try 2 months

 

[Hostile]

You also need to look at SYSTEMS...as in DEFENSIVE SYSTEMS.

Our defensive system is asking the players to do something different than other teams systems.

Face it....Merriman would NOT have the same # of sacks if he were here instead of SD. Heck, it's possible that he could have fewer than Ware has.

Prior to today, Merriman came in with TWO AND A HALF more sacks than Ware....you are talking like he was leading the league prior to today. PLUS, he got 3 sacks against a porous Oakland O-line.

Uh huh.

 

[lyrclcipha12]

See Tony Mandarich and David Boston for examples of how a player can plummet without the benefit of the juice.

was david boston ever ranked the 11th best player in football by sporting news? also boston hurting his knee might have had a little to do with his falling off. i know you can argue with all those rankings but boston was never the player merriman was. and mandarich was never proved to be on steroids, angry packer fans just told themselves they couldnt have picked such a bust.

 

[Jimz31]

Plus, Bulger has been sacked MORE TIMES than Bledsoe has prior to today....It seems that Merriman gets ALOT of sacks against teams that really don't protect too well.

 

[bbgun]

Let's go back to Emmitt vs. Barry.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

was david boston ever ranked the 11th best player in football by sporting news?

 

[Hostile]

was david boston ever ranked the 11th best player in football by sporting news? also boston hurting his knee might have had a little to do with his falling off. i know you can argue with all those rankings but boston was never the player merriman was. and mandarich was never proved to be on steroids, angry packer fans just told themselves they couldnt have picked such a bust.

Mandarich admitted to using. Boston was unstoppable in Arizona of all places.

You're reaching.

 

[Jimz31]

was david boston ever ranked the 11th best player in football by sporting news? also boston hurting his knee might have had a little to do with his falling off. i know you can argue with all those rankings but boston was never the player merriman was. and mandarich was never proved to be on steroids, angry packer fans just told themselves they couldnt have picked such a bust.

I coulda sworn that Mandarich has even admitted to using Steroids.

I just researched it al little bit...you are right, he never admitted to it.

 

[lyrclcipha12]

You also need to look at SYSTEMS...as in DEFENSIVE SYSTEMS.

Our defensive system is asking the players to do something different than other teams systems.

Face it....Merriman would NOT have the same # of sacks if he were here instead of SD. Heck, it's possible that he could have fewer than Ware has.

Prior to today, Merriman came in with TWO AND A HALF more sacks than Ware....you are talking like he was leading the league prior to today. PLUS, he got 3 sacks against a porous Oakland O-line.

so what is our system asking our players to do? we dont blitz because we havent shown we can play well in base sets yet. however we consistently get beat deep year after year with zimmer. so no pressure on the qb would seem to equal not taking chances and at least not getting beat deep but thats not the case. we get beat deep and we cant pressure the qb. sounds like we need a new system.

 

[lyrclcipha12]

Mandarich admitted to using. Boston was unstoppable in Arizona of all places.

You're reaching.

uhhh boldin and fitzgerald are also unstoppable in arizona of all places with qbs just as bad if not worse. are they using too?

and mandarich did not admit to using:

The question of steroid use has been discussed as a possible factor in Mandarich's spectacular failure. This accusation is one that Mandarich has consistently denied. He instead blamed himself, in a 2003 Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel article: "I wanted to create as much hype as I could for many different reasons — exposure, negotiation leverage, you name it. And it all worked, except the performance wasn't there when it was time to play football."


now you're reaching.

 

[superpunk]

UMD....................Draft.................2006

 

[Bob Sacamano]

is that a real person on the right? good gawd