2 scenarios for Garrett

[Dre11]

Not sure how I made your point for you but that's fine. I think that there are two things you can not refute here. One is that regardless of what you may think about Garrett, you really can't blame the fan base for wanting to see the HC change. The other is that a change at HC, with a team that is kinda going nowhere, can show results. Neither of those things can be argued.

You see this team going nowhere, I don't. This is a team that just came off of being 13-3 and while being disappointing, ended up 9-7 5-1 in the division after all that happen with suspensions and injuries. This is still a good team and to start over would be asinine

 

[Dre11]

You must be trolling, "a season like last year"? That ended in a home playoff loss with hfa throughout the playoffs. Is that what we're playing for now, the playoffs? Sheez

You act like it's never happened, you had a rookie qb, and rookie rb playing their first playoff game, what the he'll were you expecting. Talk about crazy expectations

 

[xwalker]

yeah you're right...sometimes these posts just irritate me. I think I need another 4 year break from this place.

Last season was a good time to be here. Some negative nellies completely quit posting last season while the team was winning.

 

[Alexander]

You see this team going nowhere, I don't. This is a team that just came off of being 13-3 and while being disappointing, ended up 9-7 5-1 in the division after all that happen with suspensions and injuries. This is still a good team and to start over would be asinine

I would get this notion if this were a stable, winning franchise under Garrett's watch. If he had advanced beyond the divisional round. Ever.

Instead, they regress towards what is his mean, which is purgatory and you think feeling disturbed by that is an asinine response?

 

[Dre11]

I would get this notion if this were a stable, winning franchise under Garrett's watch. If he had advanced beyond the divisional round. Ever.

Instead, they regress towards what is his mean, which is purgatory and you think feeling disturbed by that is an asinine response?

It is asinine, if you can't see that this team is not on the right path. Then you have no clue what you're looking at. A young good rebuilt secondary, young stud rb, good OL, young qb who's showed he can play. This team has a good future staying the course

 

[Alexander]

It is asinine, if you can't see that this team is not on the right path. Then you have no clue what you're looking at. A young good rebuilt secondary, young stud rb, good OL, young qb who's showed he can play. This team has a good future staying the course

Whoa.

The ol' "if you can't see what I see, you don't know what you are talking about". Or the more refined yet brutal "if you can't see this, then you don't know football!".

I have been bouncing around Cowboys message boards for over twenty years.

And that STILL is a defense by the slow witted and mentally unequipped.

I just have to laugh and laugh and laugh.

And then feel sad that there are people that are so challenged intellectually that they resort to the trope.

Especially those who have been around a while.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Dre.

 

[Dre11]

Whoa.

The ol' "if you can't see what I see, you don't know what you are talking about". Or the more refined yet brutal "if you can't see this, then you don't know football!".

I have been bouncing around Cowboys message boards for over twenty years.

And that STILL is a defense by the slow witted and mentally unequipped.

I just have to laugh and laugh and laugh.

And then feel sad that there are people that are so challenged intellectually that they resort to the trope.

Especially those who have been around a while.

Tsk, tsk, tsk, Dre.

I don't care how many freaking years you've bounced around, a fool is a fool, the OL is still good with 3 pro bowlers minus the injuries. Tsk,tsk that.

 

[Alexander]

I don't care how many freaking years you've bounced around, a fool is a fool, the OL is still good with 3 pro bowlers minus the injuries. Tsk,tsk that.

LOL

That is all I have to say.

I will let the others judge for themselves.

 

[cowboy_ron]

Jerry and Stephen are definitely behind all these assistant coaches being let go and replaced. this doesn't seem like something garrett would do. which basically leaves two scenarios. either the team will go far into the playoffs next year, or its last year of garrett.

basically fingers are being pointed at the assistant coaches for failures of 2017. Jerry/stephen want some continuity and give it one more shot with this head coaching staff. garrett is officially on a hot seat, and not because the fans and media say so

Garrett has a book of excuses thicker than a Webster's Dictionary.

 

[Idgit]

It's nice how we've moved from firing Garrett, to firing both of his coordinators, to firing several position coaches and still manage to make it the referendum that it wasn't in the first place.

Jerry and Stephen like Jason. Many fans do not. There isn't a conspiracy going on here.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You see this team going nowhere, I don't. This is a team that just came off of being 13-3 and while being disappointing, ended up 9-7 5-1 in the division after all that happen with suspensions and injuries. This is still a good team and to start over would be asinine

You are completely wrong. I see this team as really close. I see this team, right now, with enough talent to compete for a Championship, with a good coaching staff. The reason we were 9-7, IMO, is because of the coaches. Better coaching and we are in the playoffs IMO.

To me, asinine is trying to defend this Coaching Staff with all that we've seen, these past years. Three games we should have won if we just make better, smarter decisions. Those are what good coaches win you in a season. We win those games and we are 12 and 4. We win the Division and are looking at a 1st round bye. Without a good Coaching Staff, we are 9-7, out of the playoffs and planning for a pick in the middle of the pack in the next draft.

That's how I see it.

 

[Jarv]

It's nice how we've moved from firing Garrett, to firing both of his coordinators, to firing several position coaches and still manage to make it the referendum that it wasn't in the first place.

Jerry and Stephen like Jason. Many fans do not. There isn't a conspiracy going on here.

Lol...many fans don't like Jerry and Stephen either, for a number of reasons. JG is just one of them, but a big one.

 

[Jarv]

You are completely wrong. I see this team as really close. I see this team, right now, with enough talent to compete for a Championship, with a good coaching staff. The reason we were 9-7, IMO, is because of the coaches. Better coaching and we are in the playoffs IMO.

To me, asinine is trying to defend this Coaching Staff with all that we've seen, these past years. Three games we should have won if we just make better, smarter decisions. Those are what good coaches win you in a season. We win those games and we are 12 and 4. We win the Division and are looking at a 1st round bye. Without a good Coaching Staff, we are 9-7, out of the playoffs and planning for a pick in the middle of the pack in the next draft.

That's how I see it.

Excellent post sir!

 

[cowboy_ron]

It's nice how we've moved from firing Garrett, to firing both of his coordinators, to firing several position coaches and still manage to make it the referendum that it wasn't in the first place.

Jerry and Stephen like Jason. Many fans do not. There isn't a conspiracy going on here.

Jerry and Stephen love money.......the fans want a consistently winning team and super bowls.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

You see this team going nowhere, I don't. This is a team that just came off of being 13-3 and while being disappointing, ended up 9-7 5-1 in the division after all that happen with suspensions and injuries. This is still a good team and to start over would be asinine

and 4 of those wins were against the awful Deadskins and Giants. The other was the Eagles backups. If the division was stronger the team wouldn't have been 5-1. This team can only beat mediocre to bad teams.

 

[Idgit]

Jerry and Stephen love money.......the fans want a consistently winning team and super bowls.

I know that’s the narrative. But even if you buy into it, OP’s point that they’re using the position coaches as a lever to motivate Jason Garret next season seems pretty unlikely then. They’d just maintain the status quo and count the money that comes in.

 

[cowboy_ron]

I know that’s the narrative. But even if you buy into it, OP’s point that they’re using the position coaches as a lever to motivate Jason Garret next season seems pretty unlikely then. They’d just maintain the status quo and count the money that comes in.

Yea, I hear ya....it seems like more are leaving on their own rather than the FO making the changes.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The way I look at it, if you have to have an ultimatum season in Year 8 of a guy's tenure, then that pretty much tells you should have fired him after Year 7.

I don't disagree. I think Stephen and jerry have weighed many things. a new coaching staff means whole new offense, defense, and learning curve. not many first year coaches, (from outside of organization) bringing in new system win superbowls (Gruden did with tampa, but they had a top defense in place prior to his arrival). usually it takes a couple of years or more to adjust. So this tells you about jerry and Stephen thinking that the team might have an opportunity next year so they may want to try one more time. that's why I said, if he doesn't make it deep into playoffs (NFC championship). Its also why they are meddling in coaching, pushing for letting coaches go etc. which is very unlike Garrett.

in essence, they have taken over some of the coaching and coaching organization. they will have input into who to hire, without full approvals. they may ignore recommendations from coaches. I also believe players loyalty to the coaches has had an effect on Jerry and Stephen.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The "problem" would be if he takes them to the playoffs that means he gets another year. I think Jerry is going to die with Garrett at the helms. He is afraid to let him go.

I don't think playoffs and one and done will do it. I think its NFC championship or he is out. if we make it to NFC championship, then maybe the circumstances of 2017 had something to do with it.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

No way to know. There is talk that some assistants were at odds with Garrett or the coordinators.

There was no way Garrett was in trouble 1 year after 13-3.

It's possible Garrett could be in trouble next year if he loses but we as fans are rooting against that because we want to win.

They'll likely be good enough to make the playoffs next year which keeps Garrett safe. If they don't it's probably for some catastrophic reason like injuries to key players which would give Garrett another excuse.

not after 13-3 and a wild almost unlucky loss to GB. but Jerry expected more this year. he may have doubts because of Zeke, so he wants to shake things up a little and is now directly involved. usually that doesn't spell anything good happening.