2 scenarios for Garrett

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What makes you guys think that this is all the Jones family and Garrett has no say in the matter?

Or do you all just believe whatever the **** you want and spew it out as undisputed facts? Seems like that is what this board has become so that shouldn't surprise me.

who said they were facts? its my opinion. it seems that way. why all of a sudden garrett would get rid of all his assistant coaches? that would be finger pointing on his part, which doesn't bode well culturally

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

We all know Garrett-top is a back stabbing SOB. Wouldn’t surprise me if he stormed into Jerruh’s office and acted like he knew exactly where the staff’s “problems” were for this season. Ask Wade how that went for him...

I disagree with that. one thing he is is loyal and almost too loyal.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You guys are always trying to read into things, with contracts ending and the team just trying to upgrade it's staff, these are no more than natural changes that happen to all teams.

these many coaches? in one year? seems a little odd. specially if Jerry is citing continuity as a reason to keep Garrett and the coordinators.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

The way I look at it, if you have to have an ultimatum season in Year 8 of a guy's tenure, then that pretty much tells you should have fired him after Year 7.

The truth has been spoken

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Rams might say different.

Either way, I am not in favor of rash decision but 8 years is long enough to know and to show results IMO. You can't really complain about fans who want to see change.

I think it depends on the situation. fisher wasn't a players coach, and had outdated schemes. but he left a very talented team for them. and they did good in off season FA. they had a nice talent base to start and a new scheme has revived them. now, similar to Dak and cowboys there is a season of tape on them, I bet it will be different for them next year.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

To me, they kinda mirror us. Jeff Fisher was with the Rams for a good amount of time with unspectacular results. Once the Rams made the change, the team came around. Obviously that is no guarantee but what does it matter? We can move on from Garrett and suffer, yet another season, with no Super Bowl or we can keep him and see the same thing. Either way, he's had plenty of time and you can't blame the fan base IMO. They are tired it. What really compounds it is the fact that there were probably 3 games we could have easily won if the coaching decisions were smarter.

It is what it is but a lot of better Coaches have been fired with much less time on the job to show results. Heck, we have had three Hall of Fame Coaches with Super Bowl wins who have either been fired or forced out with less time on the job. It's hard to find fault with the fan base at this point.

JMO

rams made it to the playoffs. new system. kind of surprising everyone. lets see how deep they go into playoffs. and if they can repeat the success next year. 2nd year is always harder.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

rams made it to the playoffs. new system. kind of surprising everyone. lets see how deep they go into playoffs. and if they can repeat the success next year. 2nd year is always harder.

I think what you say here has something to it but the Rams are very different in one important way. McVay is in his first year as a HC. Garrett has been with the same team as HC for 8 seasons. If McVay and the Rams struggle next year, which could happen, you still have hope that McVae will develop and might lead you somewhere. You have had 8 seasons with Garrett. You know enough. I mean, no matter how you look at it, that's always going to be staring you right in the face. That's the problem right?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

this doesn't seem like something garrett would do. which basically leaves two scenarios. either the team will go far into the playoffs next year, or its last year of garrett.

I don't think that follows at all. Jerry thinks he can simply keep Jason in place and continue shuffling the deck around him.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I think what you say here has something to it but the Rams are very different in one important way. McVay is in his first year as a HC. Garrett has been with the same team as HC for 8 seasons. If McVay and the Rams struggle next year, which could happen, you still have hope that McVae will develop and might lead you somewhere. You have had 8 seasons with Garrett. You know enough. I mean, no matter how you look at it, that's always going to be staring you right in the face. That's the problem right?

I don't disagree. my original opinion was that letting garrett go was considered, but jerry and Stephen probably think we have an opportunity and there is reasons behind teams struggles when happened. by the same token, rams could struggle over the next few years and hover around 500. who knows. McVay is a shiny new head coach. you can't deny the talent he inherited with Geoff, Gurley, etc.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't think that follows at all. Jerry thinks he can simply keep Jason in place and continue shuffling the deck around him.

who said Jerry was logical?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

who said Jerry was logical?

Nobody, but not sure what that has to do with your contention that it's either go deep in the playoffs or Garrett is gone.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I don't disagree. my original opinion was that letting garrett go was considered, but jerry and Stephen probably think we have an opportunity and there is reasons behind teams struggles when happened. by the same token, rams could struggle over the next few years and hover around 500. who knows. McVay is a shiny new head coach. you can't deny the talent he inherited with Geoff, Gurley, etc.

He got a lot of talent, that's true. I will say this, the story behind McVay and Garrett are very different. McVay has been in the NFL as a coach for awhile and he's learned under some good people. Garrett basically got given the job with almost no NFL experience and that, to me at least, is a big part of the problem. JMO

 

[CowboyRoy]

Jerry and Stephen are definitely behind all these assistant coaches being let go and replaced. this doesn't seem like something garrett would do. which basically leaves two scenarios. either the team will go far into the playoffs next year, or its last year of garrett.

basically fingers are being pointed at the assistant coaches for failures of 2017. Jerry/stephen want some continuity and give it one more shot with this head coaching staff. garrett is officially on a hot seat, and not because the fans and media say so

The more logical conclusion is that all these guys are simply getting out because they dont want to be here anymore. All the minor chiefs are leaving because they cant handle watching this horror show anymore. If Garret isnt going to be fired, then will just go somewhere else.

 

[Dre11]

and 4 of those wins were against the awful Deadskins and Giants. The other was the Eagles backups. If the division was stronger the team wouldn't have been 5-1. This team can only beat mediocre to bad teams.

Those it matter? New England play Miami,Jets,bills 2 times a year that's 6 wins a year.

The Eagles beat who? I see people slobbering over them and not asking who they beat.

The Rams also only beat a couple good teams, yet Mcvay is the next best thing.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

I think it’s playoffs or firing for Garrett next year
I think he has been given ample opportunities and it’s all coming to a head next year

Have to include a win as well, cause if he lays an egg in the playoffs, bye sir.

 

[Idgit]

Yea, I hear ya....it seems like more are leaving on their own rather than the FO making the changes.

This is how it was in 2012 or whatever it was when we let everybody walk, including Jason's brother. Complete silence from the team as they let people try to find gigs before anything was publicly announced.

That’s not to say people aren’t leaving of their own accord. I don’t know if they are or aren’t. Just that the team is going to handle staff departures with this quiet say-nothing approach.

 

[cowboy_ron]

This is how it was in 2012 or whatever it was when we let everybody walk, including Jason's brother. Complete silence from the team as they let people try to find gigs before anything was publicly announced.

That’s not to say people aren’t leaving of their own accord. I don’t know if they are or aren’t. Just that the team is going to handle staff departures with this quiet say-nothing approach.

And having this many new coaches coming in, Jerry already has Garrett a built in excuse even if we have another bad year next year by using the excuse that he had so many new coaches coming in we need to give them another year of working together.........blah, blah, blah....fast forward to 2019 now.

 

[Dre11]

You are completely wrong. I see this team as really close. I see this team, right now, with enough talent to compete for a Championship, with a good coaching staff. The reason we were 9-7, IMO, is because of the coaches. Better coaching and we are in the playoffs IMO.

To me, asinine is trying to defend this Coaching Staff with all that we've seen, these past years. Three games we should have won if we just make better, smarter decisions. Those are what good coaches win you in a season. We win those games and we are 12 and 4. We win the Division and are looking at a 1st round bye. Without a good Coaching Staff, we are 9-7, out of the playoffs and planning for a pick in the middle of the pack in the next draft.

That's how I see it.

Please name the decision you would make in any of the three games. When execution and health is the key ingredient to winning in a parity / salary cap era in the league.

What have you seen or think you've seen? The talent doesn't matter if it can't stay on the field. This team along with this same coaching staff had 12 wins or more and 2 divisional titles 2 out of the last 3 years and you want to start over. That is absolutely asinine

 

[willia451]

Jerry/Jason will never take the Cowboys deep into the playoffs. No matter how much talent they have.

Because once you are in the playoffs, you are up against top-tier coaches who know how to win and teams that have as much talent as you do. And in that world, the Cowboys are sadly over-matched.

Ohhhhhhh, they may have a pretty good regular season from time to time. Depending on injuries. And quality for the tournament.

But they'll never make a deep run. We've seen it time after time after time.

As long as Jerry/Jason are large and in charge, you might as well take your shoes off, grab the whiskey, and settle in for the long wait until its over.

And it will be over one day. One way or the other. Mortality is a mother.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Please name the decision you would make in any of the three games. When execution and health is the key ingredient to winning in a parity / salary cap era in the league.

What have you seen or think you've seen? The talent doesn't matter if it can't stay on the field. This team along with this same coaching staff had 12 wins or more and 2 divisional titles 2 out of the last 3 years and you want to start over. That is absolutely asinine

Yeah, no. Each of those games have been discussed to the point of exhaustion. I'm not going to restart all of that. That only serves to take the discussion off the focus of where it is now. If you don't know what those issues were, then I think you really shouldn't be trying to defend Garrett.

You can preach the success of Garrett tell the Cows come home but you are not going to convince anybody on this board because they are tired of waiting for the breakthrough. 12 wins, 2 division titles and only one playoff win, against 2 loses in 8 years. That's where your "asinine" ends up hanging out in the wind.