20 Questions: 7 - Can Trey Lance Overtake Cooper Rush

[Chasing6]

It is stupid, I repeat - stupid, to simply look at just the stats of first 4 games on a QBs career. Especially, one that was expected to sit and learn because they're raw, but were forced in due to injury.

He had 4 games, three as a rookie, and one his 2nd year. He had about an 84 passer rating. That's way better than a TON of QBs, even high profile QBs who had great careers.
His 1st game, he had a 117 passer rating - he actually came in midway through this game, so really it's only a 3.5 game sample size. His 3rd Game, he has 116 passer rating. Right off the bat, that's 50% of his games with 116 or higher passer rating, with 4 TDs to 1 Int.

The team also wasn't as stacked as it is now. There was no CMac. Mostert was on IR. Aiyuk was just a second year guy that was only solid. They were 3-5 to start the season. Don't tell me that's because of Lance and his 1.5 games (They were already losing when he came in the first game, and they put up more points with him than Jimmy G).

Fact: It's foolish to take a 3.5 game sample size and pretend it means much of anything for a QB coming into the league.
Fact: It is even more foolish to do that with an extremely raw rookie who needs time to learn.
Fact: Contrary to what you like to pretend, it is not all bad, and there is definitely some good mixed in.

Is it stupid for look at his entire career???

 

[Chasing6]

oh, I am with you. I am just saying when you draft top 5, you are looking for elite talent. he was #3 over all pick.

they fell in love with his athleticism and just like all other NFL coaches before them, they thought they are going to make him an NFL QB.

He’s giving his opinion based on what he saw. It’s not like Trey Lance arrived in Dallas loaded with confidence. He ended up the third QB in San Francisco and got dumped for a fourth round pick. On the other hand, Cooper Rush has some confidence. He was in a competition last summer with Will Greer and won. He’s been in several QB competitions and won. He’s also won some games for the Cowboys.

Rush played 50 games in college 13,000 yards with a 139 rating.

7 times more completions in HS.

Trance is not a QB. He is an athlete trying to play QB.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Please explain how someone can be elite with little to no experience?

What are they elite at exactly?

Who said elite?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

How will he do well when he does not play?

The coaches and execs get to say...not you ...or me.

 

[KJJ]

Lance isn't beating out rush for the backup job. That doesn't mean they won't decide to cut rush and make lance the backup but it won't be because Lance beats out rush in fair competition on the field.

The Cowboys aren’t going to promote Lance to the backup position if he doesn’t perform well in training camp and preseason. They aren’t about to cut Rush who they’ve won some games with in favor of a QB who can’t beat him out. The Cowboys have some confidence in Cooper Rush. He helped salvage their season in 2022 with five wins. McCarthy‘s job is on the line this season and he’s not about to go with Lance at backup if he doesn’t beat out Rush.

 

[charron]

The Cowboys aren’t going to promote Lance to the backup position if he doesn’t perform well in training camp and preseason. They aren’t about to cut Rush who they’ve won some games with in favor of a QB who can’t beat him out. The Cowboys have some confidence in Cooper Rush. He helped salvage their season in 2022 with five wins. McCarthy‘s job is on the line this season and he’s not about to go with Lance at backup if he doesn’t beat out Rush.

I hope so but it's not mikes choice for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if lance doesn't beat out coop but still shows enough for Stephen to cut cooper just to save 2.25 million. Remember they save nothing if they cut lance.

 

[KJJ]

I hope so but it's not mikes choice for sure. I wouldn't be surprised if lance doesn't beat out coop but still shows enough for Stephen to cut cooper just to save 2.25 million. Remember they save nothing if they cut lance.

I think it is Mike’s choice. You don’t know anything for sure, none of us do. Not even the Joneses are going to want Lance as the next man up if he doesn’t perform well this summer. Jerry gave up a third round pick for Drew Henson in the early 2000s. Once he saw he couldn’t perform, Henson was gone. We never got a chance to see him play in preseason because he arrived too late. Jerry talked Parcells into starting him on Thanksgiving when Vinny wasn’t 100%. Parcels benched Henson after the first half and he was done. If Lance were to perform well in camp and preseason and is made the backup, I still believe the Cowboys will hang onto Rush just in case. They have to have a QB who knows the system and who’s won some games for them to fall back on in the event Dak is injured and Lance doesn’t perform well in relief. We have to have another QB as insurance we can count on.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

 

[Chasing6]

The coaches and execs get to say...not you ...or me.

Yes and 1 NFL team already gave their verdict.

 

[Bullflop]

Please.

Training camp will be here soon haters.

#Lance2024

Relax. I'm no hater -- those who know me, know better. I've just come to think Lance's attempts to beat out Rush will be very difficult. It will also be likely to make the upcoming TC and preseason games very interesting. May the best man win. It's all about the team, not just one individual.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yes and 1 NFL team already gave their verdict.

So...in your head any team that changes qbs...means the verdict is loser?

You arent making sense. Need a redo?

 

[charron]

I think it is Mike’s choice. You don’t know anything for sure, none of us do. Not even the Joneses are going to want Lance as the next man up if he doesn’t perform well this summer. Jerry gave up a third round pick for Drew Henson in the early 2000s. Once he saw he couldn’t perform, Henson was gone. We never got a chance to see him play in preseason because he arrived too late. Jerry talked Parcells into starting him on Thanksgiving when Vinny wasn’t 100%. Parcels benched Henson after the first half and he was done. If Lance were to perform well in camp and preseason and is made the backup, I still believe the Cowboys will hang onto Rush just in case. They have to have a QB who knows the system and who’s won some games for them to fall back on in the event Dak is injured and Lance doesn’t perform well in relief. We have to have another QB as insurance we can count on.

Mikes on the last year of his contract having not earned an extension. None of the moves they made this off-season seem to be the job saving kind. Hiring Zimmer was not mikes choice. He might be ok with it but he didn't get to pick his guy....they picked their guy and put him on a 1 year deal so the next head coach can hire his own OC and DC. They may be asking Mike his opinion out of politeness but he isn't directing a dang thing. Stephen isn't building a team to try and win so cutting rush to save money as long as lance isn't complete garbage is right in line with other moves he has made this year. But we'll see, I hope they keep rush I just think 3 QB's is a luxury they don't have abd cutting lance saves zero dollars.

 

[Chasing6]

So...in your head any team that changes qbs...means the verdict is loser?

You arent making sense. Need a redo?

So you believe anyone who has not played for the NFL could be an NFL starting QB and we won't know until they try?

 

[Chasing6]

So...in your head any team that changes qbs...means the verdict is loser?

You arent making sense. Need a redo?

Year 4 still working on his footwork and throwing motion. Do you think those are good signs?

Maybe this is why he did not play much in HS.

Maybe this is why no one was interested in giving him a scholarship.

Do you think most NFL QB'a caught a scholarship in college? Unlike like Trance.

 

[Wildcat711]

Year 4 still working on his footwork and throwing motion. Do you think those are good signs?

Maybe this is why he did not play much in HS.

Maybe this is why no one was interested in giving him a scholarship.

Do you think most NFL QB'a caught a scholarship in college? Unlike like Trance.

I don't know why you bash him so much.. did he steal your lunch money?

If he turns out to be something.. that can only be good for the Dallas Cowboys.

 

[Kevinicus]

Is it stupid for look at his entire career???

His entire career is less than 4 games. You can look at it, but yes, it would be pretty stupid to think you're going to be able to take away much from it.

 

[Chasing6]

His entire career is less than 4 games. You can look at it, but yes, it would be pretty stupid to think you're going to be able to take away much from it.

There was not much in HS or College to look at.

 

[Kevinicus]

There was not much in HS or College to look at.

It is what it is.

 

[nalam]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/7-can-trey-lance-overtake-cooper-rush

Again another topic we have discussed over and over.
But it is one of the 20 questions series.

All 4 answers seem to be ... wait and see .... and that is to be expected and fair. As we really do not know what we have in Trey yet.

They sound like Rush fans that are afraid. With Mickey bringing out the vaunted 5-1 argument.

If he cant overtake even Cooper, then he shouldnt be in the team, SF did a big boo boo in picking him so high and Jerry wasted a draft pick

 

[Bullflop]

I'll be watching the competition trying to avoid any premature impressions I might have as to who to pull for. It seems likely that there will be two QBs who will do their best in that competition. I'm hoping to see a pair of players who will possibly impress or depress those watching them with honest hopes for one to step to the forefront. May the best man win and may the team benefit from the results.