20 Questions: 7 - Can Trey Lance Overtake Cooper Rush

[Bullflop]

Nick Eatman's article today wasn't encouraging, regarding Lance's play vs. Cooper Rush in recent practices.

He didn't make any excuses for Lance's play, reporting that he doubts Trey Lance manages to outplay Rush.

Whether or not that evaluation comes from one who is just being partial to Cooper Rush remains to be seen.

 

[Bullflop]

Nick Eatman's article today wasn't encouraging, regarding Lance's play vs. Cooper Rush in recent practices.

He didn't make any excuses for Lance's play, reporting that he doubts Trey Lance manages to outplay Rush.

Whether or not that evaluation comes from one who is just being partial to Cooper Rush remains to be seen.

I'll have to confess that my partiality to Trey Lance was motivated by my desperation for something good to happen for the Cowboys.

With regards to that confession, Nick Eatman has always impressed me as a "straight shooter." That's something I'll hang my hat on.

Let's see how the competition between Trey Lance and Cooper Rush develops, w/as much honesty as humanly possible. It's a deal.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

It is stupid, I repeat - stupid, to simply look at just the stats of first 4 games on a QBs career. Especially, one that was expected to sit and learn because they're raw, but were forced in due to injury.

He had 4 games, three as a rookie, and one his 2nd year. He had about an 84 passer rating. That's way better than a TON of QBs, even high profile QBs who had great careers.
His 1st game, he had a 117 passer rating - he actually came in midway through this game, so really it's only a 3.5 game sample size. His 3rd Game, he has 116 passer rating. Right off the bat, that's 50% of his games with 116 or higher passer rating, with 4 TDs to 1 Int.

The team also wasn't as stacked as it is now. There was no CMac. Mostert was on IR. Aiyuk was just a second year guy that was only solid. They were 3-5 to start the season. Don't tell me that's because of Lance and his 1.5 games (They were already losing when he came in the first game, and they put up more points with him than Jimmy G).

Fact: It's foolish to take a 3.5 game sample size and pretend it means much of anything for a QB coming into the league.
Fact: It is even more foolish to do that with an extremely raw rookie who needs time to learn.
Fact: Contrary to what you like to pretend, it is not all bad, and there is definitely some good mixed in.

what's stupid? stupidity is the Lance Lovers sticking their head in the sand and spinning paragraph after paragraph making a legend out of 4 games, spinning excuses?

seriously read your post...you are spinning into a 3.5 game sample size (actually it was 3.312 games based on the minutes and seconds he played..........sarcasm fully intended). and now you give a game by game breakdown...his completion percentage was less than 55%...his QBR was below 40!!!
and you just made up a whole bunch of stuff. his first game his rating was 59!!! did you reach back into you know where and pulled that out twice and added it up?!!!!
his second game he beat a 4-12 houston team...with a team loaded...funny you bring up Aiyuk, but fail to mention Sameul, Kittle, or McCaffrey and the great SF defense...

its foolish to think he is anything but at best be able to become a good QB...that's the highest ceiling. in fact he is on the bubble to be able to be the back up QB and reports are Rush is out performing him in camps.
he is not a rookie any longer. he is in his 4th year. and the team thought he has so much potential they didn't pick up his 5th year option...yeah, that's how much they believe in him.

so it looks like you and the other lance lovers are the pretenders.

 

[DuncanIso]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/7-can-trey-lance-overtake-cooper-rush

Again another topic we have discussed over and over.
But it is one of the 20 questions series.

All 4 answers seem to be ... wait and see .... and that is to be expected and fair. As we really do not know what we have in Trey yet.

They sound like Rush fans that are afraid. With Mickey bringing out the vaunted 5-1 argument.

Rephrase...

When does Trey Lance overtake Dak?

Cause fans are about to get a show in training camp.

Ask JimmyG.

 

[DuncanIso]

what's stupid? stupidity is the Lance Lovers sticking their head in the sand and spinning paragraph after paragraph making a legend out of 4 games, spinning excuses?

seriously read your post...you are spinning into a 3.5 game sample size (actually it was 3.312 games based on the minutes and seconds he played..........sarcasm fully intended). and now you give a game by game breakdown...his completion percentage was less than 55%...his QBR was below 40!!!
and you just made up a whole bunch of stuff. his first game his rating was 59!!! did you reach back into you know where and pulled that out twice and added it up?!!!!
his second game he beat a 4-12 houston team...with a team loaded...funny you bring up Aiyuk, but fail to mention Sameul, Kittle, or McCaffrey and the great SF defense...

its foolish to think he is anything but at best be able to become a good QB...that's the highest ceiling. in fact he is on the bubble to be able to be the back up QB and reports are Rush is out performing him in camps.
he is not a rookie any longer. he is in his 4th year. and the team thought he has so much potential they didn't pick up his 5th year option...yeah, that's how much they believe in him.

so it looks like you and the other lance lovers are the pretenders.

Lance was 3rd pick in 2021 draft.

Dak was a 4th round scrub who blows up playoff games.

HAHA

 

[Kevinicus]

what's stupid? stupidity is the Lance Lovers sticking their head in the sand and spinning paragraph after paragraph making a legend out of 4 games, spinning excuses?

seriously read your post...you are spinning into a 3.5 game sample size (actually it was 3.312 games based on the minutes and seconds he played..........sarcasm fully intended). and now you give a game by game breakdown...his completion percentage was less than 55%...his QBR was below 40!!!
and you just made up a whole bunch of stuff. his first game his rating was 59!!! did you reach back into you know where and pulled that out twice and added it up?!!!!
his second game he beat a 4-12 houston team...with a team loaded...funny you bring up Aiyuk, but fail to mention Sameul, Kittle, or McCaffrey and the great SF defense...

its foolish to think he is anything but at best be able to become a good QB...that's the highest ceiling. in fact he is on the bubble to be able to be the back up QB and reports are Rush is out performing him in camps.
he is not a rookie any longer. he is in his 4th year. and the team thought he has so much potential they didn't pick up his 5th year option...yeah, that's how much they believe in him.

so it looks like you and the other lance lovers are the pretenders.

Taking a 3.5 game sample size and pretending it makes a difference one way or the other is stupid. You're the one that kept telling people to look at these games, not other people. Don't get all defensive now that people actually do (even though it is STUPID!!!!!) and realize you're full of crap.

Falsely pretending that the entirety of that tiny sample size is bad is also stupid.

So is falsely pretending that anyone is making a legend out of 4 games. Stupid and dishonest.

And no, his first game had a rating of 117. It was against Seattle. He had 157 yards, 2 TDs, and zero interceptions. His comp % was not high, but other areas were.
His first start, but 2nd game with significant playing time had a rating of 58.4. If you want to eliminate the first game because it wasn't a start, then you're making your already stupid sample size even dumber. Remember, this is YOUR idea.

Are you high?
I brought up Aiyuk to point out they weren't the juggernaut they are right now. And I also DID bring up McCaffrey to point out the fact that...wait for it...HE WASN'T ON THE TEAM YET.

Just stop embarrassing yourself.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Lance was 3rd pick in 2021 draft.

Dak was a 4th round scrub who blows up playoff games.

HAHA

what?

as the 3rd pick he can't get on the field.
as a 4th rounder he has been to several playoffs...yes not successful results, but if you can't get on the field, you can't get to playoffs, if you can't get to playoffs, there is no superbowl.

haha back at ya

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Taking a 3.5 game sample size and pretending it makes a difference one way or the other is stupid. You're the one that kept telling people to look at these games, not other people. Don't get all defensive now that people actually do (even though it is STUPID!!!!!) and realize you're full of crap.

Falsely pretending that the entirety of that tiny sample size is bad is also stupid.

So is falsely pretending that anyone is making a legend out of 4 games. Stupid and dishonest.

And no, his first game had a rating of 117. It was against Seattle. He had 157 yards, 2 TDs, and zero interceptions. His comp % was not high, but other areas were.
His first start, but 2nd game with significant playing time had a rating of 58.4. If you want to eliminate the first game because it wasn't a start, then you're making your already stupid sample size even dumber. Remember, this is YOUR idea.

Are you high?
I brought up Aiyuk to point out they weren't the juggernaut they are right now. And I also DID bring up McCaffrey to point out the fact that...wait for it...HE WASN'T ON THE TEAM YET.

Just stop embarrassing yourself.

I didn't tell people to look at anything. you are the one who analyzed the 3.31243 games he played and quoted ratings and what not.

all I said, he is not a known quantity but based on the sample 4 games, its not looking good because results were bad. as a top 3 pick he has underwhelmed. and his team spent so much to get him, dumped him.
and specially that he has only thrown about 420 or so passes in his college years and pros combined. that's it.

he clearly was over drafted.

Aiyuk, Samuel, Kittle were on the team in 21. McCaffrey was on the team in 22. or did you forget?
and here is the link to his first game
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202110100crd.htm

you are looking at his second game. against Houston a 4-12 team.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202201020sfo.htm


and what's with the Lance Love and the defense you are putting up. what is y our goal with all the arguments and insults (I chalk that up to either being drunk brave or young)?

and all this emotional outburst, insults, screaming, arguments about a QB who is not even under contract with cowboys in 25...wow. just wow.
you clearly are drunk. so lets just chalk it up to that. talk about embarassing. I am going to save you here. you are welcome.
done!

 

[Kevinicus]

I didn't tell people to look at anything. you are the one who analyzed the 3.31243 games he played and quoted ratings and what not.

all I said, he is not a known quantity but based on the sample 4 games, its not looking good because results were bad. as a top 3 pick he has underwhelmed. and his team spent so much to get him, dumped him.
and specially that he has only thrown about 420 or so passes in his college years and pros combined. that's it.

he clearly was over drafted.

Aiyuk, Samuel, Kittle were on the team in 21. McCaffrey was on the team in 22. or did you forget?
and here is the link to his first game
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202110100crd.htm

you are looking at his second game. against Houston a 4-12 team.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/202201020sfo.htm


and what's with the Lance Love and the defense you are putting up. what is y our goal with all the arguments and insults (I chalk that up to either being drunk brave or young)?

and all this emotional outburst, insults, screaming, arguments about a QB who is not even under contract with cowboys in 25...wow. just wow.
you clearly are drunk. so lets just chalk it up to that. talk about embarassing. I am going to save you here. you are welcome.
done!

You repeatedly told people to look at the times he has played.
So, I did.

You said the results were bad. But for those of us who actually looked, like you said, they were not bad, they were mixed. And, as you point out, he didn't have much experience in college, so he was extremely raw. Why would you expect better than mixed, even if he were the next coming of Tom Brady or Patrick Mahomes? It's not like he was raw, then sat a few years, and THEN had these (EXTREMELY LIMITED *****AND MIXED*****) results.

You are the one that has insisted on that sample size having some meaning. And you're embarrassing yourself now trying to defend your silly assertions. Your stupid "3.3124" nonsense just makes you look like someone who either refuses, or is unable to use their brain.

Aiyuk was on the team in 2022...and he was a 2nd year guy still trying to improve. He wasn't the 1300+ yd guy he was last year. McCaffrey didn't join the team until after the team was already 3-4, well after Lance was injured. They never played together. Or did you forget?

No, I'm not looking at his 2nd game. Houston was his 3rd game. The one I already mentioned he had a 116 rating in. His FIRST game was against Seattle. He came in after the half, with the team losing, had 18 passes, 157 yards and 2 TDs. Then the next week, he had his first start and had a 58.4 rating. Then Jimmy G came back and he didn't play again until the Houston game.

I'm not giving Lance any love. I'm merely pointing out the fact that his playing experience is so extremely limited that there is not enough of a sample size to take away anything definitive from it at all. He may suck. He may not. But there is nothing in that sample size that is going to offer much of any value in determining that.

You are the one trying to hate on him.

Who is doing outbursts, insults, screaming?

The only thing going on here is that you continue to make things up, lie, and make uninformed and illogical arguments. For what purpose? I, for one, have no idea.

 

[DuncanIso]

what?

as the 3rd pick he can't get on the field.
as a 4th rounder he has been to several playoffs...yes not successful results, but if you can't get on the field, you can't get to playoffs, if you can't get to playoffs, there is no superbowl.

haha back at ya

Lance broke his leg after winning the QB1 job in 2022.

I'll give him a pass.

Dak cant throw a football 5 feet.

 

[DuncanIso]

Nick Eatman's article today wasn't encouraging, regarding Lance's play vs. Cooper Rush in recent practices.

He didn't make any excuses for Lance's play, reporting that he doubts Trey Lance manages to outplay Rush.

Whether or not that evaluation comes from one who is just being partial to Cooper Rush remains to be seen.

Please.

Training camp will be here soon haters.

#Lance2024

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Lance broke his leg after winning the QB1 job in 2022.

I'll give him a pass.

Dak cant throw a football 5 feet.

lance was broke, before he broke his leg.

give him all the passes your want. he is not even under contract in 25....that's how much the team likes him.

step 1. making out of the camp....

 

[chagus]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/7-can-trey-lance-overtake-cooper-rush

Again another topic we have discussed over and over.
But it is one of the 20 questions series.

All 4 answers seem to be ... wait and see .... and that is to be expected and fair. As we really do not know what we have in Trey yet.

They sound like Rush fans that are afraid. With Mickey bringing out the vaunted 5-1 argument.

Rush fans? Nah. "Cowboys" fans. The only divide here has always been QB issues.

 

[Chasing6]

Cooper is not the future. We have no idea about Trey. So yes it does matter.

We? Speak for yourself.

 

[Chasing6]

In what way?

No we aren't. If he does well...we sign our 2025 starter. If he doesn't, Lance can sell cars or insurance.

How will he do well when he does not play?

 

[Chasing6]

If a guy you spent a 4th rounder on can’t beat out Cooper Rush then talent evaluating needs an overhaul .

There was no evaluation. GM Jethro made the decision on his own.

 

[Chasing6]

google Trey Lance....read on for a few hours.

or perhaps you want to look up his stats in games he played so far.....don't forget he is a top 5 pick and supposed elite talent.

or are you really that lazy?

Supposed elite talent?

Struggled to start in HS. Only had 55 completions.

Not recruited in college.

What is your definition of elite?

 

[Chasing6]

Thsi writer seems to disagree with your assessment:

"An enticing prospect in 2021, Lance had all the tools to be an excellent starter in the NFL. What he lacked, however, was the experience."

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/best-dallas-cowboys-player-to-wear-jersey-no-54

Please explain how someone can be elite with little to no experience?

What are they elite at exactly?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Supposed elite talent?

Struggled to start in HS. Only had 55 completions.

Not recruited in college.

What is your definition of elite?

oh, I am with you. I am just saying when you draft top 5, you are looking for elite talent. he was #3 over all pick.

they fell in love with his athleticism and just like all other NFL coaches before them, they thought they are going to make him an NFL QB.

 

[KJJ]

Nick Eatman's article today wasn't encouraging, regarding Lance's play vs. Cooper Rush in recent practices.

He didn't make any excuses for Lance's play, reporting that he doubts Trey Lance manages to outplay Rush.

Whether or not that evaluation comes from one who is just being partial to Cooper Rush remains to be seen.

He’s giving his opinion based on what he saw. It’s not like Trey Lance arrived in Dallas loaded with confidence. He ended up the third QB in San Francisco and got dumped for a fourth round pick. On the other hand, Cooper Rush has some confidence. He was in a competition last summer with Will Greer and won. He’s been in several QB competitions and won. He’s also won some games for the Cowboys.