20 Questions: 7 - Can Trey Lance Overtake Cooper Rush

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I take away the name and everything, and I see an extremely small sample size with mixed results that provides essentially no value or indication one way or the other.

yeah extremley small sample size that looks like crap. does anything look like a franchise QB? and next lets also say, that no name played on a loaded team. like really loaded team. his 4 game sample size look a lot worse than the first 4 games bryce young played in Carolina and he had zero talent around him.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

But of course you are bashing him. You certainly don;t appear to be pulling for him.

why am I bashing him? because I point out the facts and the obvious? and not willing to make excuses? pulling for him? if he is a cowboy, I pull for him. of course I do. but I am also realistic.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Thsi writer seems to disagree with your assessment:

"An enticing prospect in 2021, Lance had all the tools to be an excellent starter in the NFL. What he lacked, however, was the experience."

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/best-dallas-cowboys-player-to-wear-jersey-no-54

he has thrown all of 132 passes in real games in 4 years....wow. he was raw to begin with. needed experience. and in 4 years he got 132!!! fantastic.

https://thelandryhat.com/posts/trey...cerning-update-cowboys-reporters-01j2xs9s8z46

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Have you not been reading my posts?

I, said, we do not know yet. We need to wait and see.

How many other players, including QB's, struggled, then went to other teams and was very successful?
Maybe not so many QB's as other players, but still it has and can happen.

I don't know. you tell me how many went to other teams and were very successful. the list of those who went to other teams and continued to struggle is much much much longer.

wait and see. but don't hold your breath. its a prayer and hope at this time.

 

[KingCorcoran]

And those that say nay about are QB / football experts?

Again:
We do not know enough to say one way or the other.

Dak fans are the ones that seem to not like Trey, and have this, he sucks, attitude.

If the Cowboys want to move on from Dak, that’s fine. Someone else will be the quarterback. In deference to Lance, it would be great to use him in regular season games to find out if he can be a productive NFL quarterback. That 4th round pick isn’t a high price to pay unless Lance never plays. Based on his body of work to date it was a questionable move, at best.

 

[JoeKing]

Trey will get three auditions in preseason games. The first is in 25 days. Wait and see.

 

[jazzcat22]

If the Cowboys want to move on from Dak, that’s fine. Someone else will be the quarterback. In deference to Lance, it would be great to use him in regular season games to find out if he can be a productive NFL quarterback. That 4th round pick isn’t a high price to pay unless Lance never plays. Based on his body of work to date it was a questionable move, at best.

So what is the big difference in using that 4th to take a flyer on a former #3 overall pick.

Fans have been clamoring for years for Dallas to draft a QB. And said in the 2023 they could be ok with even a 4th pick to Sit and learn .

So Jerry trades for Trey, using a 4th round pick. now they only get him for 2 years, 2023 and 2024. So only a year difference if they selected one in 2023. No difference of selected in 2022.

However all of a sudden they have an issue with that.

 

[KingCorcoran]

So what is the big difference in using that 4th to take a flyer on a former #3 overall pick.

Fans have been clamoring for years for Dallas to draft a QB. And said in the 2023 they could be ok with even a 4th pick to Sit and learn .

So Jerry trades for Trey, using a 4th round pick. now they only get him for 2 years, 2023 and 2024. So only a year difference if they selected one in 2023. No difference of selected in 2022.

However all of a sudden they have an issue with that.

No different other than teams generally attempt to find out if their 4th round draft pick can play. Lance is being paid by the Cowboys like a first round draft pick and not using him in regular season games. And after only two years, not four like other 4th round draft picks, Lance is a free agent. That’s seven months away. The Cowboys obviously are not signing Dak. Why is Dak still here? Let Lance be the QB1 all season, by March 2025 the team will have a better idea what they used their 4th round draft pick for.

 

[Blackspider214]

100 percent - Lance had a different set of expectations in SF and has had a full year to reset here, if he can start to develop and show some of the skills that made him coveted coming out of college then he will certainly have a shot at at least the backup this year and possibly, dare I say, the successor next

He looked good in college playing at a lower level division of football at a program that was head and shoulders above the rest. The time he had to make his reads was an infinite amount of time vs what he was in the pros. The jump from that level of football to the pros is massive. Where he was drafted years ago is meaningless now. Justin Fields was also coveted.

SF saw Lance everyday in camp, practice, preseason and regular season. They knew right away he had a big bag of nothing. He got beat out by the very last pick of the draft and never got his job back. He couldn't even succeed in a system that made Colin K, Alex Smith, Purdy and Jimmy G look great. The fact they even got a 3rd rd pick tells you how much they fleeced us.

 

[Jipper]

He looked good in college playing at a lower level division of football at a program that was head and shoulders above the rest. The time he had to make his reads was an infinite amount of time vs what he was in the pros. The jump from that level of football to the pros is massive. Where he was drafted years ago is meaningless now. Justin Fields was also coveted.

SF saw Lance everyday in camp, practice, preseason and regular season. They knew right away he had a big bag of nothing. He got beat out by the very last pick of the draft and never got his job back. He couldn't even succeed in a system that made Colin K, Alex Smith, Purdy and Jimmy G look great. The fact they even got a 3rd rd pick tells you how much they fleeced us.

Uh first off it was a 4th round pick and not a 3rd that we traded.

Second, the guy needed a year to develop and reset - remove the pressure and get into a rhythm. To your point he simply wasn't ready for prime time.

Can't pass judgment until we see how he does as the backup in camp and preseason...

 

[jterrell]

Literally no one cares, lol.

Neither guy can start long term.
Rush is the ideal long-term back up and Lance is all potential.

 

[Kevinicus]

yeah extremley small sample size that looks like crap. does anything look like a franchise QB? and next lets also say, that no name played on a loaded team. like really loaded team. his 4 game sample size look a lot worse than the first 4 games bryce young played in Carolina and he had zero talent around him.

Not complete crap. There are MIXED results.

And again, 25% of that EXTREMELY small sample size was in a monsoon. The other 75% he was rookie who was already EXTREMELY raw.

It's worthless. You're trying to make it mean something. It doesn't.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Not complete crap. There are MIXED results.

And again, 25% of that EXTREMELY small sample size was in a monsoon. The other 75% he was rookie who was already EXTREMELY raw.

It's worthless. You're trying to make it mean something. It doesn't.

so more excuses. you forgot to mention that one of the games was on grass, north of mason dixon line, at 4:00 playing into the sunset for two quarters, with limited visibility.
like I said before, if I showed the same results for a 5th round pick, people would walk away. in fact Wilson, Jones, etc. in the same draft played more, and had lesser resources and they did better in their first 4 starts. the only reason people haven't walked away is because he was 3rd pick of the draft so he gets benefit of the doubt. he had a very loaded team around him, so he didn't even have to carry anything. he just didn't get it done. as the 3rd pick in the draft, expected to be an elite player, he is at least should have been able to show something. let his elite abilities show. he just doesn't have it. and IMHO, his ceiling is not being elite, its being a good QB. thus why even bother if we already complain incessantly about not having elite play from QB position.

its not worthless. its evidence. if the 4 game results weren't there, I would have more hope for him.

 

[Kevinicus]

so more excuses. you forgot to mention that one of the games was on grass, north of mason dixon line, at 4:00 playing into the sunset for two quarters, with limited visibility.
like I said before, if I showed the same results for a 5th round pick, people would walk away. in fact Wilson, Jones, etc. in the same draft played more, and had lesser resources and they did better in their first 4 starts. the only reason people haven't walked away is because he was 3rd pick of the draft so he gets benefit of the doubt. he had a very loaded team around him, so he didn't even have to carry anything. he just didn't get it done. as the 3rd pick in the draft, expected to be an elite player, he is at least should have been able to show something. let his elite abilities show. he just doesn't have it. and IMHO, his ceiling is not being elite, its being a good QB. thus why even bother if we already complain incessantly about not having elite play from QB position.

its not worthless. its evidence. if the 4 game results weren't there, I would have more hope for him.

Your first line is a ridiculous deflection.
If you showed the same results for ANYONE. Anyone who is thinking rationally would say it's a tiny sample size that you wouldn't be able to take away much of anything from. You're really trying to reach here.

 

[Chasing6]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/7-can-trey-lance-overtake-cooper-rush

Again another topic we have discussed over and over.
But it is one of the 20 questions series.

All 4 answers seem to be ... wait and see .... and that is to be expected and fair. As we really do not know what we have in Trey yet.

They sound like Rush fans that are afraid. With Mickey bringing out the vaunted 5-1 argument.

Bigger question is can GM Jethro admit he made a mistake.

 

[Bullflop]

Lance represents just hoping that he's able to step up enough to outplay Rush for the backup QB spot at this juncture. I'm just hoping that he's everything we need to accomplish that, before going any further. Let's be patient and see what happens in TC and the preseason before getting our hopes up for his success. I think it's a tossup if Lance can outplay Rush for the backup spot. If so, we'll see if there's real hope for him. I think Jerry got Lance to put pressure on Dak and his agent to sign Dak for less than they're asking. That's no sure thing to start with. We'll see about that.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Your first line is a ridiculous deflection.
If you showed the same results for ANYONE. Anyone who is thinking rationally would say it's a tiny sample size that you wouldn't be able to take away much of anything from. You're really trying to reach here.

Anyone thinking rationally would say those numbers aren't good. I said put those results next to other QBs in top 5 or 10 first 4 games to be fair. ..I did say compare it to Bryce Young last year and his first 4 games.....right? Trying to compare apples to apples as much as possible.
.and again, he was on a LOADED team. Purdy, an average QB was able to accomplish a lot more.

So he is not looking good. Nothing to say oh that's a positive. Just that he played in rain and too small sample or that the sun was in his eyes or he needs more time...

This is his last chance. 4th year in the league. Other top 5 QBs got dumped by their team who had better results.

And reports are that Rushbisnlooking better than him and we know Rush is limited.

 

[beware_d-ware]

If I had to choose one of those QBs to win a game tomorrow, I would start Rush. But Lance has starter upside that Rush just doesn't, and Jerry wants that with Dak seemingly headed out the door.

Lance will be the backup this year, and Rush will be an offensive assistant somewhere within 2 years. He has a great mind for the game.

 

[Kevinicus]

Anyone thinking rationally would say those numbers aren't good. I said put those results next to other QBs in top 5 or 10 first 4 games to be fair. ..I did say compare it to Bryce Young last year and his first 4 games.....right? Trying to compare apples to apples as much as possible.
.and again, he was on a LOADED team. Purdy, an average QB was able to accomplish a lot more.

So he is not looking good. Nothing to say oh that's a positive. Just that he played in rain and too small sample or that the sun was in his eyes or he needs more time...

This is his last chance. 4th year in the league. Other top 5 QBs got dumped by their team who had better results.

And reports are that Rushbisnlooking better than him and we know Rush is limited.

It is stupid, I repeat - stupid, to simply look at just the stats of first 4 games on a QBs career. Especially, one that was expected to sit and learn because they're raw, but were forced in due to injury.

He had 4 games, three as a rookie, and one his 2nd year. He had about an 84 passer rating. That's way better than a TON of QBs, even high profile QBs who had great careers.
His 1st game, he had a 117 passer rating - he actually came in midway through this game, so really it's only a 3.5 game sample size. His 3rd Game, he has 116 passer rating. Right off the bat, that's 50% of his games with 116 or higher passer rating, with 4 TDs to 1 Int.

The team also wasn't as stacked as it is now. There was no CMac. Mostert was on IR. Aiyuk was just a second year guy that was only solid. They were 3-5 to start the season. Don't tell me that's because of Lance and his 1.5 games (They were already losing when he came in the first game, and they put up more points with him than Jimmy G).

Fact: It's foolish to take a 3.5 game sample size and pretend it means much of anything for a QB coming into the league.
Fact: It is even more foolish to do that with an extremely raw rookie who needs time to learn.
Fact: Contrary to what you like to pretend, it is not all bad, and there is definitely some good mixed in.

 

[charron]

Lance isn't beating out rush for the backup job. That doesn't mean they won't decide to cut rush and make lance the backup but it won't be because Lance beats out rush in fair competition on the field.