20 Questions: No. 2, can changes put Dak into MVP conversation

[CCBoy]

Things like this will be what affects directional changes now...

Even if Pollard has personal bests this year, he’ll have a hard time topping what DeMarco Murray did in 2014. In the final year of his rookie contract, Murray went off for a Cowboys single-season record of 1.845 yards and 13 touchdowns, plus another 416 yards receiving. He made his second Pro Bowl, his first All-Pro Team, and even received votes for Offensive Player of the Year and Most Valuable Player.

In one of the more surprising moves in recent Cowboys history, they refused to reward Murray’s big year with a big new contract. They didn’t even franchise him; Murray was allowed to find a new home in free agency and ended up going to the Eagles.

Dallas’ logic seemed pretty clear. After spending first-round picks on offensive linemen Tyron Smith, Travis Frederick, and Zack Martin from 2011-2014, plus having a strong passing game featuring Tony Romo, Dez Bryant, and Jason Witten, they felt confident that a premium running back wasn’t needed. They weren’t going to pay Murray what he deserved and lose spending power at other more critical roster positions.

https://cowboyswire.usatoday.com/li...ednesday-july-19-2023/?itm_source=parsely-api

 

[Ranching]

Man, I really didn't want to post this, as we know how it will go.
So can we get well thought out intelligent answers in this thread?

LOL!! No way in hell!!

 

[noshame]

Mobile Dak could have a chance.

 

[shabazz]

This fan is pulling for a 4800 yard passing season from Dak...being serious here. The injury trull just better stay away...I'll get the Wildhorse Desert Curandera after him!!

…..This, and cut the turnovers in half and good things will happen

 

[shabazz]

Mobile Dak could have a chance.

He can still move well enough to escape some situations but he’s never gonna be a Lamar, lol

defenses rarely expect him to run but when he does it’s usually pretty effective.

bootleg off play action comes to mind….he sells it well

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yeah, with people hanging all over him...lol

Probably because he was built like a left tackle lol.

 

[noshame]

He can still move well enough to escape some situations but he’s never gonna be a Lamar, lol

defenses rarely expect him to run but when he does it’s usually pretty effective.

bootleg off play action comes to mind….he sells it well

Yeah, by mobile, I just mean, basically move the pocket around buy him few extra seconds.

 

[charron]

Well it's been long enough and Dak hasn't been the answer to get the boys to an NFC championship game. Now if they do make it to a SB then the powers that be will pick one of the 2 QB's and Dak would be I'm that Convo. Untill then he just isn't the difference between a really good team and a SB team.

 

[big dog cowboy]

defenses rarely expect him to run but when he does it’s usually pretty effective.

bootleg off play action comes to mind….he sells it well

We should see that more often. It adds a serious wrinkle to the offense. Way underused play.

 

[CowboysLakerBamaFan]

Give Dak a great Oline like some of these elite QB's and he will be in the conversation.

There was an post a month or two ago ranking our oLine in the top 10 and everyone in here was saying "See....I told you our OLine was good"

So do we have a good oLine, or a bad one?

Or do we just need the world's best oLine to make Dak be elite?

 

[DFWJC]

He can still move well enough to escape some situations but he’s never gonna be a Lamar, lol

defenses rarely expect him to run but when he does it’s usually pretty effective.

bootleg off play action comes to mind….he sells it well

He does sell it well.
I think part of the reason he has been somewhat effective running is because we don't do it often.
He's not fast at all, but if it's a surprsie he can have success.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Last year's line was only average....so it wasn't nearly as good as some that Dak has had. No doubt

However....On average, for their whole careers, few QBs in NFL history have enjoyed better line play than Dak has.

He's never had a year with an awful line and has many years with top 10 or top 5 lines

When Chaz Green was in there that was pretty bad. That being said other then at certain times, most have been quality. But none was like it was in 2016.

But to be up there in elite status and be in the conversation for MVP he will need a top 5 Oline. These other guys have it and its why most in the conversation.

 

[CowboyRoy]

A couple observations from reading this.

Two of these guys are talking up Dak as a possible MVP after 4 games in 2020, and 6 games in 2021. WAY to early to start talking about MVP status.

As far as Mickey goes... he says "So, look at it this way, these changes in the offense and the acquisition of Brandin Cooks must improve receiver production, and in turn, that will improve Dak's performance."

Couldn't you argue that Cooks would be the MVP in this scenario?

MVP is too heavily weighted towards the QB position and if a QB does deserve it, it should go to the guy who does the most with the least rather than the guy who takes the best advantage of having among the best supporting cast.

No, Cooks shouldnt be in the conversation.

I agree it too heavily weighted towards the QB. Its like the entire NFL landscape is QB challenged.

 

[CowboyRoy]

It should go to the best player on the best team IMO. I can’t penalize Jalen Hurts because his GM built a good team around him. I do wish other positions could get more recognition as MVP but it’s tough with how much the QB does.

Yet you can penalize a guy like Hebert because the GM didnt build a good enough team around him?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yet you can penalize a guy like Hebert because the GM didnt build a good enough team around him?

What? Who the hell thinks Herbert doesn't have a "good enough team" around him? You're the only one who thinks that lol. And where did I penalize him for it? You need to answer my questions to previous posts before I engage in this one I asked you to find those imaginary posts of the forum hating on Tyler Biadiz and you weren't able to provide thm.

 

[CowboyRoy]

There was an post a month or two ago ranking our oLine in the top 10 and everyone in here was saying "See....I told you our OLine was good"

So do we have a good oLine, or a bad one?

Or do we just need the world's best oLine to make Dak be elite?

1. We have a top 10 Oline when Tyron is healthy and in there with the other starters.
2. The minute Tyron goes down and some scrub comes in and its a huge drop off. Thats also when the musical chairs begin. Then it gets closer to average.
3. Most QB's need a top 5 Oline to play elite. Some of the elite ones can get by without it being that good. No different than Aikman, Stauback, Mahomes, Brady.

 

[CowboyRoy]

As a big Dak fan and even a bigger Cowboys fan, I would love to see him win the MVP, OPOTY and the SB trophy, but I only see him winning the SB trophy under this new offensive system. Dak might be the NFL's Manu Ginobili under this system. Manu sacrificed winning more awards by agreeing to come off the bench. The dude went to only TWO All-Star games and won ONE 6th Man of the year award. Tim Duncan will tell you he was the heart and soul of that great Spurs team. It's a travesty he didn't get the recognition he deserved, but when you put the team first, that's what can happen.

Any Cyberball 2072 fans here? We will look more like the Pheonix Flash instead of the San Diego Machine. Meaning, we will have a balanced attack instead of a pass happy offense. That's what I'm hoping for. If we go that route, which it looks like it could happen, Dak won't put up huge numbers this year. 25 td's - 5 ints - 3,500 yards with a 70-PCT, and a SB trophy.

GO COWBOYS!!

I disagree. This team is not built to pound the football week in and week out. The Run game just needs to be dangerous and they have to account for it. Not just the runs, but these skilled, speed backs coming out of the backfield and catching short passes.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You actually have to be at least a top 3 QB to be in the MVP discussion. Does anyone think Dak is top 3 versus his peers? And if he isn't then what magical incantation could possibly change that this far into his career?

Not true at all. I guess you missed Hurts last year. Out of nowhere. Lamar Jackson another year. You need a great team around you, a complete team and you need to win a lot of games.

 

[CowboyRoy]

What? Who the hell thinks Herbert doesn't have a "good enough team" around him? You're the only one who thinks that lol. And where did I penalize him for it? You need to answer my questions to previous posts before I engage in this one I asked you to find those imaginary posts of the forum hating on Tyler Biadiz and you weren't able to provide thm.

Let me spell it out so you might understand it.

If the TEAM being great around the QB matters, then it goes both ways. Cant penalize a guy for a great team around him, then cant penalize a guy for a less than great team around him.

You seem too butt hurt at this point to even have a remote conversation. If I got your panties all in a wad and your too defensive, take a deep breath.

Nothing I cant stand more then a sensitive little cry baby.

 

[Captain-Crash]

Rush looked okay behind this line. I didn't say elite. He won 4 games with this line, but you need to take into account he didn't have an absorbent amount of time waiting on the receivers to get open. He saw them coming open and threw the ball. again, Rush is not the answer but he did okay with this line.