2005 Showed Once Again WR in the First Is a Bad Idea

[iceberg]

So there's an obvious trend here. You put 'don't draft a WR in the first round' with the other threads that have been posted in the past. You know the ones, 'don't draft a QB in the first round', 'don't draft a RB in the first round', and what do you have?

Don't draft anybody in the first round.

kickers? can we draft them in the 1st?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Whining?

Hardly. I'm just pointing out what a :mule: you are.

And if you're 'arugmentative' by nature, you should be prepared when you get arguments, huh?

Do unto others ya know.....

And why should I have to limit myself with an Ignore?

Here's a better idea, why don't you pick another forum to share your 'wisdom' with?

:geek:

Now it becomes clear youre trying to make me go away. oh noes you dont like me.

that typically called trolling. and I have no issue discussing arguments on the subject at hand but your intent on making this about me. thats whats sad.

you cannot even discuss your position and if someone questions it you get insulted because youre too weakminded to support your position. Im not going away chachi so you can keep taking shots at me but we both know where you stand.

 

[Kangaroo]

kickers? can we draft them in the 1st?

Only if you are Oakland; heck we have fans that get mad when we draft kickers in the 7th round

 

[AdamJT13]

This was in a study posted last year on ESPN.com, based on the 1989-2003 drafts --

First-Round Bust Percentages
QB -- 53 percent
RB -- 49 percent
WR -- 45 percent
DT -- 33 percent
OL -- 31 percent
DE -- 31 percent
CB -- 29 percent
LB -- 16 percent
S -- 11 percent

 

[iceberg]

we have fans that get mad

fixed. : )

 

[iceberg]

This was in a study posted last year on ESPN.com, based on the 1989-2003 drafts --

First-Round Bust Percentages
QB -- 53 percent
RB -- 49 percent
WR -- 45 percent
DT -- 33 percent
OL -- 31 percent
DE -- 31 percent
CB -- 29 percent
LB -- 16 percent
S -- 11 percent

did they break it down to further rounds?

 

[Stash]

Now it becomes clear youre trying to make me go away. oh noes you dont like me.

that typically called trolling. and I have no issue discussing arguments on the subject at hand but your intent on making this about me. thats whats sad.

you cannot even discuss your position and if someone questions it you get insulted because youre too weakminded to support your position. Im not going away chachi so you can keep taking shots at me but we both know where you stand.

You're right.

I'm attacking you here.

You're the hero merely trying to enlighten the clueless masses.

And I'm the bad guy trying to rain on your parade.

You're some victim here.

Feel better now.

I don't have a problem with you having an opinion, and backing that opinion up with facts.

That's not what I see here.

I see a kid with an opinion he wants accepted as fact.

And I see someone who tries to cut down any opinion which differs from his own.

I've stated my position before:

I think giving Detroit the #28 pick this year for WR Roy Williams would be a good move.

Now you can go back to calling it 'dumb' like you do with anything else you disagree with.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This was in a study posted last year on ESPN.com, based on the 1989-2003 drafts --

First-Round Bust Percentages
QB -- 53 percent
RB -- 49 percent
WR -- 45 percent
DT -- 33 percent
OL -- 31 percent
DE -- 31 percent
CB -- 29 percent
LB -- 16 percent
S -- 11 percent

the 12% dropoff between offensive skill positions and the rest of the field is significant.

 

[Stash]

the 12% dropoff between offensive skill positions and the rest of the field is significant.

I'd like to see more information used in compiling a list like that.

Such as:

What determined whether a draft pick was considered a 'bust'?

 

[iceberg]

btw - is there an official defination of "bust"?

 

[theogt]

the 12% dropoff between offensive skill positions and the rest of the field is significant.

And easily explained. Because they're "skill positions" they're overvalued. An above average WR will be given a 1st round grade much more easily than an above average guard.

I'd like to see more information used in compiling a list like that.

Such as:

What determined whether a draft pick was considered a 'bust'?

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kluck/wrapup/070425&sportCat=nfl

You can click on each position to see who they labeled as busts.

 

[AdamJT13]

did they break it down to further rounds?

Nope.

Here's the link --

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=kluck/wrapup/070425&sportCat=nfl

You can click on each position to see all of the data.

 

[Stash]

Thanks guys!

 

[kmd24]

Was his last season ended cut short by injury or not? he may have been put on IR for the last game but he was injured sevral games before that.

They were targeting his return for the finale at Green Bay. While calling it a season-ending injury is accurate, suggesting that it was worse than a pulled groin is not. Players often miss more time with groin pulls than mild sprains.

I apologize for making it plural but his most recent injury was indeed season ending and it wasnt mild enough that he could come back from it.

It was only season-ending because of when it occurred. If a player gets, say, a thigh bruise in week 16 and misses the final game, you could claim it was season-ending, but that's hardly an indicator of the severity of the injury.

Anyway, I'd be far more concerned if he was always having soft tissue injuries, as those can often be recurring.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You're right.

I'm attacking you here.

You're the hero merely trying to enlighten the clueless masses.

And I'm the bad guy trying to rain on your parade.

You're some victim here.

Feel better now.

I don't have a problem with you having an opinion, and backing that opinion up with facts.

That's not what I see here.

I see a kid with an opinion he wants accepted as fact.

And I see someone who tries to cut down any opinion which differs from his own.

I've stated my position before:

I think giving Detroit the #28 pick this year for WR Roy Williams would be a good move.

Now you can go back to calling it 'dumb' like you do with anything else you disagree with.

Lol you have it all figured out dont you. Youve got quite the fragile ego. I didnt even talk about your position but youre too scared to actually argue it so instead you attack me.

whatever dude.

i never said that giving up a first was dumb btw i said theos idea of a first and a second was dumb. i also laid out the reasons why i thought it was dumb.

with the branch trade you could make a case for Williams being worth a first i just said that in light of the chambers and moss trades to go along with his contract situation and i think we could get him for less maybe a lot less than a first.

you cannot make a case for a first and a second on any basis.

but you took what i said to theo and turned it into something about you and im sorry dude but thats just wrong.

so what do you do you make 10 consecutive post s about me and what you think of me. im not a victim as youre not saying anything that makes sense. youre just lashing out blindly becasue youre afraid i might criticize you when i havent.

like i said. whatever dude.

 

[Stash]

Lol you have it all figured out dont you. Youve got quite the fragile ego. I didnt even talk about your position but youre too scared to actually argue it so instead you attack me.

whatever dude.

i never said that giving up a first was dumb btw i said theos idea of a first and a second was dumb. i also laid out the reasons why i thought it was dumb.

with the branch trade you could make a case for Williams being worth a first i just said that in light of the chambers and moss trades to go along with his contract situation and i think we could get him for less maybe a lot less than a first.

you cannot make a case for a first and a second on any basis.

but you took what i said to theo and turned it into something about you and im sorry dude but thats just wrong.

so what do you do you make 10 consecutive post s about me and what you think of me. im not a victim as youre not saying anything that makes sense. youre just lashing out blindly becasue youre afraid i might criticize you when i havent.

like i said. whatever dude.

OK.

Whatever back at ya.

We've derailed this thread enough.

Let's get back to the topic.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

They were targeting his return for the finale at Green Bay. While calling it a season-ending injury is accurate, suggesting that it was worse than a pulled groin is not. Players often miss more time with a groin pulls than mild sprains.



It was only season-ending because of when it occurred. If a player gets, say, a thigh bruise in week 16 and misses the final game, you could claim it was season-ending, but that's hardly an indicator of the severity of the injury.

Anyway, I'd be far more concerned if he was always pulling

you can call it whatever you want it but it was bad enough that it made him miss one fourthof the season and might have gone on longer. it was also a knee injury that kept him out.

also if this was one injury in a vacuum then youd have a point but when you see a guy thats hurt every year it seems it throw up flags.

Henry for example. when hes healthy hes a very good CB and had he not gottena 'mild sprain' this year he was on pace with all those pick for a probowl year. but hes always getting groin pulls or other mild sprains. i want o upgrade henry because of this and it severely diminshes his value.

im not saying that williams isnt a very talented receiver but what happens if we give up a first and he misses 2 or three games every year like he has been? what then? would you still consider that worth the first?

 

[Sarge]

btw - is there an official defination of "bust"?

IMO, it's anything over a 34-C........ but everyone has differing opinions on the subject.

Carry on, I'm sorry.

 

[iceberg]

IMO, it's anything over a 34-C........ but everyone has differing opinions on the subject.

Carry on, I'm sorry.

that's as good a place to start as anywhere!

 

[Sarge]

that's as good a place to start as anywhere!

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