2005 Showed Once Again WR in the First Is a Bad Idea

[FuzzyLumpkins]

This makes no sense whatsoever. A player was a bad decision because of something you couldn't possibly know at the time the decision was made?

Are you drunk?

well never know whether it was merited on skill but NFL franchises bring these guys in and have them go through physicals and MRIs etc. Like I said your not an NFL employee so your statements are pointless. that does not mean that NFL teams shouldnt be held to a higher standard.

 

[theogt]

well never know whether it was merited on skill but NFL franchises bring these guys in and have them go through physicals and MRIs etc. Like I said your not an NFL employee so your statements are pointless. that does not mean that NFL teams shouldnt be held to a higher standard.

I'll take this as a yes.

 

[bbgun]

Didn't you start a WR thread last spring that marked new lows in friendly discourse? Why the rerun?

 

[Stash]

well never know whether it was merited on skill but NFL franchises bring these guys in and have them go through physicals and MRIs etc. Like I said your not an NFL employee so your statements are pointless. that does not mean that NFL teams shouldnt be held to a higher standard.

And which NFL team do you work for hypocrite?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Didn't you start a WR thread last spring that marked new lows in friendly discourse? Why the rerun?

hi pumpkin how you doin?

 

[bbgun]

hi pumpkin how you doin?

Very well. But please, no pretentious tutorials on Ancient Greek philosophy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And which NFL team do you work for hypocrite?

i see your still upset.

i see you also fail to understand how to properly use terms. first you fail in how to use the word contradict because you dont understand mutual exclusivity and now you fail to use the word hypocrite.

i wsa talking about NFL clubs in terms of their access to medical files and evaluations in regards to injury risk assessment and how it was moot that theo didnt know. how is that a hypocrisy there chachi?

 

[pgreptom]

You realize that most other positions pan out at a rate of well over 50%? i guess you think 33% is a good conversion ratio.

Two players out of 6 have played well and why is it that Crayton can develop after three year but Jones needs more time?

All Im saying and other top people in the NFL concur that WR in the first is a risk not worth taking.

It's NOT just WR that has a high bust rate - LOTS of positions have high bust rates. The first round ALL IN ALL has high bust rates. Every team struggles in the first round; not us. If you don't want to draft a WR because of the "bust" rate - hell, we meidswell forfeit our first round pick.

Out of your list of six,

Braylon Edwards
Troy Williamson
Mike Williams
Matt Jones
Mark Clayton
Roddy White

1 was a high bust rate, and everyone knew. (Mike Williams) Matt Jones was a conversion project. Really, out of the 5(I'll spot you Mike Williams), 2 are are some of the best young talent in the NFL at WR. One is a definite game changing receiver. I wouldn't label Williamson, Clayton, or Jones busts just yet.

If so many top people agree about not taking a WR in the first, they wouldn't go in the first. They would be like fullbacks. But regardless at the risk, people still take them. There has to be a reason. Busts in the first round come at EVERY position, CB, QB, WR, HB, LB, all of them. It's a high risk rate anyway for the entire first round. Irvin was our last first round receiver, and he wasn't too shabby. I say let's take another stab at it.

 

[Stash]

i see your still upset.

i see you also fail to understand how to properly use terms. first you fail in how to use the word contradict because you dont understand mutual exclusivity and now you fail to use the word hypocrite.

i wsa talking about NFL clubs in terms of their access to medical files and evaluations in regards to injury risk assessment and how it was moot that theo didnt know. how is that a hypocrisy there chachi?

Upset? No. Amused is more like it. Keep digging this hole of yours. Thought your butt would still be smarting after last year. But whatever floats yer boat.

You're a hypocrite because you try to devalue another poster's opinion because he's not an NFL employee.

So - again -which team's payroll are you on?

Since you know everything and all......

 

[kmd24]

RW put up 1300 yards in 06 so there is no question of his skill but rather his health. His injuries have been leg injuries and neck injuries and quite frankly a WR that gets leg injuries is worrisome. This isnt a broken arm or pulled groin but rather season ending leg injuries.

He was just put on IR for a knee injury jsut a couple months ago yet people act like it has no effect on his value but rather like this is after the 06 season and you should just give up the farm for him.

Your info on his injury history is bad, I think. He never missed a start due to a neck injury. He had a stinger forcing him out of a 2006 game, but he returned the next week and caught 10 passes for 161 yards.

In his rookie season, he had an ankle sprain and missed two games.

In his second season, he strained a quad and missed three games.

Last season, he sprained his PCL in week 13. He was They put him on IR in week 16 when it became obvious that he wouldn't make it back, and they only had an outside shot at the playoffs. If the injury had occurred in week 3, it wouldn't have been season-ending.

It's not like the guy has torn both ACL's and had a neck fusion. He's missed 9 games in 4 years, and none of the injuries were very serious.

 

[Stash]

Your info on his injury history is bad, I think. He never missed a start due to a neck injury. He had a stinger forcing him out of a 2006 game, but he returned the next week and caught 10 passes for 161 yards.

In his rookie season, he had an ankle sprain and missed two games.

In his second season, he strained a quad and missed three games.

Last season, he sprained his PCL in week 13. He was They put him on IR in week 16 when it became obvious that he wouldn't make it back, and they only had an outside shot at the playoffs. If the injury had occurred in week 3, it wouldn't have been season-ending.

It's not like the guy has torn both ACL's and had a neck fusion. He's missed 9 games in 4 years, and none of the injuries were very serious.

Shhh.....

You're messing the whole thing up with your facts!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Upset? No. Amused is more like it. Keep digging this hole of yours. Thought your butt would still be smarting after last year. But whatever floats yer boat.

You're a hypocrite because you try to devalue another poster's opinion because he's not an NFL employee.

So - again -which team's payroll are you on?

Since you know everything and all......

no i was attempting to value his opinion or lack of ability based on the fact he didnt have access to Lawsons medical records. youre trying to stretch that into some absolute statement which it isnt. sorry but youre going to have to try harder.

and im sorry but the way you attack me its obvious what your mindset is. are you even going to bother trying to bring something to the discussion or you just going going to continue to flounder in your attempts to criticize me? really im flattered by your attention but quite frankly im not interested.

 

[Stash]

no i was attempting to value his opinion or lack of ability based on the fact he didnt have access to Lawsons medical records. youre trying to stretch that into some absolute statement which it isnt. sorry but youre going to have to try harder.

and im sorry but the way you attack me its obvious what your mindset is. are you even going to bother trying to bring something to the discussion or you just going going to continue to flounder in your attempts to criticize me? really im flattered by your attention but quite frankly im not interested.

I'm not interested either.

It's obvious people have a different opinion on the subject - and that's fine.

But get down of your high-horse and realize that.

And realize that you're not the end-all authority you seem to think you are.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Your info on his injury history is bad, I think. He never missed a start due to a neck injury. He had a stinger forcing him out of a 2006 game, but he returned the next week and caught 10 passes for 161 yards.

In his rookie season, he had an ankle sprain and missed two games.

In his second season, he strained a quad and missed three games.

Last season, he sprained his PCL in week 13. He was They put him on IR in week 16 when it became obvious that he wouldn't make it back, and they only had an outside shot at the playoffs. If the injury had occurred in week 3, it wouldn't have been season-ending.

It's not like the guy has torn both ACL's and had a neck fusion. He's missed 9 games in 4 years, and none of the injuries were very serious.

i never said he did but by my count thats 3 leg injuries and a neck injury since hes been in the league. Players tend to get dinged more often as they get older not less and he was put on IR less than a month ago. Like anthony Henry you can pretty much count on him issing a couple games or so every year.

Im not saying that it makes him a horrible player but it is a mitigating circumstance just like his contract and public statements are.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I'm not interested either.

It's obvious people have a different opinion on the subject - and that's fine.

But get down of your high-horse and realize that.

And realize that you're not the end-all authority you seem to think you are.

i never said I was but youre entire contribution to this thread has been to talk about me. Perhaps you should think about that for a bit when youre saying someone is on their high horse and either bring something to the discussion at hand or go away.

 

[Stash]

i never said I was but youre entire contribution to this thread has been to talk about me. Perhaps you should think about that for a bit when youre saying someone is on their high horse and either bring something to the discussion at hand or go away.

I made my contribution previously about feeling a #1 for Roy Williams was a good move - get this - in my opinion.

Unlike the unknown of a draft pick, Williams is a proven commodity with Pro Bowl ability. And I think the fact that he hasn't tanked like every other Detroit receiver is a plus for him as well.

But please go about telling me how wrong I am and how my opinion doesn't count because I'm not a league employee yada yada yada.....

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I made my contribution previously about feeling a #1 for Roy Williams was a good move - get this - in my opinion.

Unlike the unknown of a draft pick, Williams is a proven commodity with Pro Bowl ability. And I think the fact that he hasn't tanked like every other Detroit receiver is a plus for him as well.

But please go about telling me how wrong I am and how my opinion doesn't count because I'm not a league employee yada yada yada.....

Again you missed the context of what i was talking about being a league emplyee. you throw out the word proven. i assume that you base that on his single 06 season? So on good season out 4 is enough to prove something to you?

Oh and another thing; its not that your opinion doesnt matter but Im argumentative in the way that I approach a discussionas I have found it the best way to explore every vantage point. its not that i dont care what you say or think your stupid but im going to try and poke holes in it.

if you cannot take it because your ego is too fragile them put me on ignore and quit your whining.

 

[kmd24]

i never said he did but by my count thats 3 leg injuries and a neck injury since hes been in the league.

Actually, what you said was:

This isnt a broken arm or pulled groin but rather season ending leg injuries.

Among a mild ankle sprain, a neck stinger, a mild quad strain, and a mild knee sprain, I'm having trouble finding the season-ending leg injuries. You're just spreading FUD.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Actually, what you said was:



Among a mild ankle sprain, a neck stinger, a mild quad strain, and a mild knee sprain, I'm having trouble finding the season-ending leg injuries. You're just spreading FUD.

Was his last season ended cut short by injury or not? he may have been put on IR for the last game but he was injured sevral games before that.

I apologize for making it plural but his most recent injury was indeed season ending and it wasnt mild enough that he could come back from it.

 

[Stash]

Again you missed the context of what i was talking about being a league emplyee. you throw out the word proven. i assume that you base that on his single 06 season? So on good season out 4 is enough to prove something to you?

Oh and another thing; its not that your opinion doesnt matter but Im argumentative in the way that I approach a discussionas I have found it the best way to explore every vantage point. its not that i dont care what you say or think your stupid but im going to try and poke holes in it.

if you cannot take it because your ego is too fragile them put me on ignore and quit your whining.

Whining?

Hardly. I'm just pointing out what a :mule: you are.

And if you're 'arugmentative' by nature, you should be prepared when you get arguments, huh?

Do unto others ya know.....

And why should I have to limit myself with an Ignore?

Here's a better idea, why don't you pick another forum to share your 'wisdom' with?

:geek: