2007 CB Tandems - KC Joyner - 6/6/08

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because he's a linebacker, not a safety?

I'm sure Burnett has "wanted" to do a lot of things in his life, that doesn't mean they were all good ideas. The fact that he's 6'3" means nothing really, Watkin's is 6'5" and isn't a better safety than Hamlin.

Burnett is the most overrated player on this team. its just getting worse now and the fact that people will have their noses firmly planted in his backside due to his blog --which i like BTW-- just makes it that much worse.

 

[theogt]

Can we get the stats that include our safeties? The weak link to our secondary....this would move us way down the list if we include Roy's coverage ability.

The good news is that our CB will be even better this year. And if Hamlin moves to SS and Henry/Watkins to FS we will have one of the best secondaries in the game.

Those 3 corners gave up 7.1 yards per attempt.

Our team average was 6.4 yards per attempt.

That means for passes targeted against persons other than those 3 corners (e.g., our linebackers and our safeties) those persons had a better yard per attempt average than those 3 corners. If the numbers line up, it should be about 5.1 yards per attempt for persons other than those 3 corners.

 

[superpunk]

Those 3 corners gave up 7.1 yards per attempt.

Our team average was 6.4 yards per attempt.

That means for passes targeted against persons other than those 3 corners (e.g., our linebackers and our safeties) those persons had a better yard per attempt average than those 3 corners.

My guess is that bodes well for our safeties' metrics.

Which will be completely discarded as crap.

 

[dargonking999]

My guess is that bodes well for our safeties' metrics.

Which will be completely discarded as crap.

Of course, because when the camera zooms in on our safety after a long play it must mean that the safety was the reason for the play

 

[AdamJT13]

Very surprised to see the Cowboys ranked high on any kind of 'statistical report' when it comes to the secondary.

Huh?

Our pass defense finished fifth in passer rating allowed, fourth in touchdown percentage allowed, ninth in completion percentage allowed, seventh in yards allowed per pass and and fifth in long pass percentage allowed.

Our pass defense was clearly in the top 10 last season. We "officially" ranked a little lower than that (in total yards allowed) only because our opponents were almost always behind and had to attempt so many passes.

 

[AdamJT13]

One very telling stat is the attempts....Dallas had more attempts than anyone in the league. Why? Well, teams were behind when playing us but that doesn't fully explain it. I mean look at New England, they had significantly less attempts against them...

New England has two cornerbacks listed. We have three. Add the third cornerback for every other team, and the attempts will look a lot more even -- not to mention that most third cornerbacks will have a negative effect on the team's metrics.

As it is, the number of plays those tandems or trios were on the field and the number of passes they faced is so vastly different that looking at the totals doesn't tell you much. If I have time this weekend, I'll try to add a little perspective to them by factoring in playing time and passes faced.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Bailey on the worst--interesting

 

[dbair1967]

Huh?

Our pass defense finished fifth in passer rating allowed, fourth in touchdown percentage allowed, ninth in completion percentage allowed, seventh in yards allowed per pass and and fifth in long pass percentage allowed.

Our pass defense was clearly in the top 10 last season. We "officially" ranked a little lower than that (in total yards allowed) only because our opponents were almost always behind and had to attempt so many passes.

I was about to post this myself

It's interesting the revisionist history people have, and it happens all the time in here...people have this idea that last yrs team allowed completion after completion after completion and was some kind of sieve vs the pass, when that clearly isnt true

David

 

[Manster68]

I was about to post this myself

It's interesting the revisionist history people have, and it happens all the time in here...people have this idea that last yrs team allowed completion after completion after completion and was some kind of sieve vs the pass, when that clearly isnt true

David

No kidding David.

Now imagine Mike Jenkins replacing 7th round pick Jacques Reeves, 4th round pick Orlando Scandrick replacing 7th round pick Nate Jones, with 1st round pick Adam Jones and 7th round pick Alan Ball as trump cards. All this with Dave Campo doing what he does best - train defensive backs.

Oh yeah, let's not forget the front seven players with another year's experience under their belts.

I'll take my chances with this group.

There are NO excuses this season.

 

[Goldenrichards83]

My guess is that bodes well for our safeties' metrics.

Which will be completely discarded as crap.

I would think so but your right in they won't acknowledge it.

 

[dcfanatic]

Huh?

Our pass defense finished fifth in passer rating allowed, fourth in touchdown percentage allowed, ninth in completion percentage allowed, seventh in yards allowed per pass and and fifth in long pass percentage allowed.

Our pass defense was clearly in the top 10 last season. We "officially" ranked a little lower than that (in total yards allowed) only because our opponents were almost always behind and had to attempt so many passes.

Yet if I watched the game I saw them routinely giving up first downs and being the reason we didn't win every game by 14 points.

You sound like Wade with the stats bro.

 

[dcfanatic]

I was about to post this myself

It's interesting the revisionist history people have, and it happens all the time in here...people have this idea that last yrs team allowed completion after completion after completion and was some kind of sieve vs the pass, when that clearly isnt true

David

It was the weakest aspect of the defense, by far.

They didn't come up big when it counted: Second half against Green Bay was one of the top of my head during the season. Then I suppose I don't have to mention the Giants playoff game.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Yet if I watched the game I saw them routinely giving up first downs and being the reason we didn't win every game by 14 points.

Pretty sure every team in the NFL allowed first downs, but I'll have to go back and rewatch the games.

 

[dcfanatic]

No kidding David.

Now imagine Mike Jenkins replacing 7th round pick Jacques Reeves, 4th round pick Orlando Scandrick replacing 7th round pick Nate Jones, with 1st round pick Adam Jones and 7th round pick Alan Ball as trump cards. All this with Dave Campo doing what he does best - train defensive backs.

Oh yeah, let's not forget the front seven players with another year's experience under their belts.

I'll take my chances with this group.

There are NO excuses this season.

You are making the point about the secondary not being that good last season just by referring to the upgrades that had to be made, lol.

 

[peplaw06]

Yet if I watched the game I saw them routinely giving up first downs and being the reason we didn't win every game by 14 points.

You sound like Wade with the stats bro.

So if he sounds like Wade, bringing stats to the argument (I know, how dare he?), then who do you sound like??

hmmm.

"I can't believe we give up first downs and don't win every game by 14 points!!!"

Sounds like Danny Snyder to me.

 

[dcfanatic]

Pretty sure every team in the NFL allowed first downs, but I'll have to go back and rewatch the games.

195 is too many for me.

 

[dcfanatic]

So if he sounds like Wade, bringing stats to the argument (I know, how dare he?), then who do you sound like??

hmmm.

"I can't believe we give up first downs and don't win every game by 14 points!!!"

Sounds like Danny Snyder to me.

Good one Ari.

How about I sound like someone who is a realist and knows the pass defense wasn't that good last season.

And maybe some other people, like maybe Wade and Jerry, agree with me.

Hence the arrival of Pacman, Jenkins and Scandrick.

Some of you guys need to get off the homer bus and just understand that some of us don't want to sugarcoat every little facet of the teams deficiencies by finding some stats that can make it sound like everything was ok. Wade does enough of that for all of us.

I never said the teams pass defense was horrendous or terrible or the worst in the league.

Yet Adam and his posse try to make it seem like they were one of the best in the league by throwing out the 'good stats'. Everyone who watched the team for all 17 games knows the pass defense was the weak link of the defense. Why even try to refute that?

It's just silly.

 

[theogt]

Good one Ari.

How about I sound like someone who is a realist and knows the pass defense wasn't that good last season.

And maybe some other people, like maybe Wade and Jerry, agree with me.

Hence the arrival of Pacman, Jenkins and Scandrick.

Some of you guys need to get off the homer bus and just understand that some of us don't want to sugarcoat every little facet of the teams deficiencies by finding some stats that can make it sound like everything was ok. Wade does enough of that for all of us.

I never said the teams pass defense was horrendous or terrible or the worst in the league.

Yet Adam and his posse try to make it seem like they were one of the best in the league by throwing out the 'good stats'. Everyone who watched the team for all 17 games knows the pass defense was the weak link of the defense. Why even try to refute that?

It's just silly.

So, a "realist" is someone who develops his own opinion and sticks to that opinion despite objective facts to the contrary?

If so, indeed, you are a realist.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I think what Adam is pointing out is that despite the fact that we had injuries in the secondary forcing a 3rd (at best) string CB into the starting lineup, we were near tops in the league. Adding the players we did should only make things better.

If you want to focus on a 1st down via passing statistic while completely throwing out all other stats, fine, have your agenda. Problem is that league average is 182, we allowed 195. League best, tied between Oakland and Kansas City (Combined won 8 games) was 156. We could easily tie their mark if, instead of stopping teams after two first downs and a punt, we allowed them to throw a deep pass for a TD. Or if we wouldn't score so much and allow teams to move the ball in garbage time.

 

[dcfanatic]

So, a "realist" is someone who develops his own opinion and sticks to that opinion despite objective facts to the contrary?

If so, indeed, you are a realist.

So then you are saying the pass defense last season was 'great' as Adam's stats would have you believe?

It's a simple yes or no answer and we are all waiting for you.