2008 Cap Update - $6,270,045 million under (10/23/08) *Post #195

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air0208;1986251 said:
Adam, can you explain to me why it says we are 15+ million under the cap, but only have $3.8 million or so? I'm not understanding this.

The first post in this thread was from way back in January. The latest update is in Post #70. When I post an update, one of the mods changes the thread title, but you have to find my latest update to get the details.

Maybe it would help if they put the Post # of the latest update in the thread title and put a note at the top of the original post that indicates that it was posted back in January, and there is new information later in the thread. I'd do it, but I can't edit posts that old.
 

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AdamJT13;1986350 said:
The first post in this thread was from way back in January. The latest update is in Post #70. When I post an update, one of the mods changes the thread title, but you have to find my latest update to get the details.

Maybe it would help if they put the Post # of the latest update in the thread title and put a note at the top of the original post that indicates that it was posted back in January, and there is new information later in the thread. I'd do it, but I can't edit posts that old.
Done.
 

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Of course when players get older there is more likliehood of injuries. BUT at the same time look at the number of O Linemen and D linemen playing well into their middle and sometimes late 30s. We just shot snake eyes, as I said both players had been very healthy for their entire careers up to the point they signed with us.
 

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Adam, what could the boys do to free up some money without becoming Danny Boy light?
 

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Not to get too far ahead, but how does our cap look for next year? Do we have any big contracts which will come off the books?
 

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Adam, this might be an easy question for you ;)
How often can you restructure a contract in terms of converting base salary into bonus? I found no rule on that, just a paragraph in the CBA, but that ones only about raising someones salary. background is a discussion I had about restructuring Romo's contract. I thought thats possible anytime we want, another opinion was that we can't do it because of the contract he got during last regular season. Is there a rule for restructuring?
 

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SilberBlau;1988012 said:
Adam, this might be an easy question for you ;)
How often can you restructure a contract in terms of converting base salary into bonus? I found no rule on that, just a paragraph in the CBA, but that ones only about raising someones salary. background is a discussion I had about restructuring Romo's contract. I thought thats possible anytime we want, another opinion was that we can't do it because of the contract he got during last regular season. Is there a rule for restructuring?

No, you can restructure at any time.
 

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MichaelWinicki;1986327 said:
We WERE 15 mil under the cap but that was before:

The franchising of Hamlin
The contract signed by Flozell Adams
The offers tendered to all of our restricted FA's like Canty & Barber.

$15 mill doesn't go far in todays NFL.
Looks like it gets you 4 pro bowlers (including Thomas) and a 3-year starter. :)
 

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burmafrd;1986747 said:
Adam, what could the boys do to free up some money without becoming Danny Boy light?

We could restructure Romo's contract to give him the minimum salary this season and pay him the rest of his old salary as a signing bonus to save $4.9125 million of cap room.

We could extend Owens' contract and save just about as much -- $6.17 million minus whatever the prorated portion of his new signing bonus would be. For example, if he signed a four-year extension (this year plus four more) and got an $10 million signing bonus, we'd save $4.17 million of cap room.

We also could sign Hamlin to a long-term contract. That could save $2 million, easily (possibly more, depending on the size of the contract).

There are other ways, but those three are the easiest ways to save a lot of cap room (the three examples I used would save more than $11 million of cap room, combined). The question is whether there are players out there worth spending it on.
 

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I was thinking more in the area of maybe getting some other extensions done this season. There is a lot of talk about Newman; but the one really looming down the road is Ware. HE is going to take BIG BUCKS to get back.
 

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burmafrd;1988184 said:
I was thinking more in the area of maybe getting some other extensions done this season. There is a lot of talk about Newman; but the one really looming down the road is Ware. HE is going to take BIG BUCKS to get back.

Newman and Ware are still on their rookie contracts, so they're still cheap (Newman counts $2,422,440, Ware counts $2,157,000). Those are the kind of guys we'd open cap room in order to extend, not open cap room BY extending.
 

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AdamJT13;1988048 said:
We could restructure Romo's contract to give him the minimum salary this season and pay him the rest of his old salary as a signing bonus to save $4.9125 million of cap room.

We could extend Owens' contract and save just about as much -- $6.17 million minus whatever the prorated portion of his new signing bonus would be. For example, if he signed a four-year extension (this year plus four more) and got an $10 million signing bonus, we'd save $4.17 million of cap room.

We also could sign Hamlin to a long-term contract. That could save $2 million, easily (possibly more, depending on the size of the contract).

There are other ways, but those three are the easiest ways to save a lot of cap room (the three examples I used would save more than $11 million of cap room, combined). The question is whether there are players out there worth spending it on.

Would it be reasonable to think if any of the above did take place that Jerry was making room to make a possible move? Would there be any benefit in doing any of the above if not beyond this year?
 

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AdamJT13;1988048 said:
We could restructure Romo's contract to give him the minimum salary this season and pay him the rest of his old salary as a signing bonus to save $4.9125 million of cap room.

We could extend Owens' contract and save just about as much -- $6.17 million minus whatever the prorated portion of his new signing bonus would be. For example, if he signed a four-year extension (this year plus four more) and got an $10 million signing bonus, we'd save $4.17 million of cap room.

We also could sign Hamlin to a long-term contract. That could save $2 million, easily (possibly more, depending on the size of the contract).

There are other ways, but those three are the easiest ways to save a lot of cap room (the three examples I used would save more than $11 million of cap room, combined). The question is whether there are players out there worth spending it on.

Can any thing be done with this to save some cap room for next year?

Roy Williams - Cap charge: $6.667 million (2008), $7.35 million (2009), $7 million (2010).

from RotoWorld.com
 

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AdamJT13;1982851 said:
Update (3/3/08) -- After all of our tenders, re-signing Flozell Adams and trading Jason Ferguson, we're now $3,807,787 under the cap. We'll need about $2.2 million of cap room to sign all of our rookies, but we won't need most of that until mid-July, when we'll start signing our draft picks. We have plenty of options for easily gaining cap room if we need it, including signing Ken Hamlin to a long-term contract, restructuring Tony Romo's contract or giving Terrell Owens an extension.

Contrary to what was reported in the media, Flozell Adams' cap number this season is $3,266,666, not $3.6 million. He got a six-year deal worth $42.375 million, including a $13 million signing bonus. He has base salaries of $1 million (guaranteed) in 2008, $1 million (guaranteed) in 2009, $2.975 million in 2010 and $5.1 million in each of the final three seasons. He also has roster bonuses of $2.5 million in 2010 and $2 million in each of the final three seasons. And he has a workout bonus of $100,000 each season.

Adam, where do you get that number from about signing our rookies? The 2 1st rounders alone are going to eat that up. I'm not saying your wrong but I sure would like it if you could edjumicate me. Last I heard 1st round picks cost at least 2 mill a year. Doesn't that whole 2 mill count against the cap? Well, look forward to hearing from you. :D
 

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Actually the guy we need to sign now is Canty. We can still get him at a reasonable price, and he keeps getting better.
 

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burmafrd;1988695 said:
Actually the guy we need to sign now is Canty. We can still get him at a reasonable price, and he keeps getting better.
Given the contracts that were given out to DLs, I'd say that ship has sailed. Even with a year's leverage on Canty, he probably has visions of a $50M contract in his head now.

He'd have to improve dramatically to justify that sort of contract, IMO.

Unless Canty has a real breakout year, I'd focus my $ on Ware and Newman if I were Jones. I'd like to see a chart of cap $ committed to '09 and '10 already, because it seems to me that we've got over $80M committed both years already, and we have a lot of guys becoming FAs the next 2 years. Newman Ware, Canty, TO, MBIII.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. We'll probably have to be like NE and Indy and waive goodbye to some good players as cap decisions are made.
 

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starfrombirth;1988666 said:
Adam, where do you get that number from about signing our rookies? The 2 1st rounders alone are going to eat that up. I'm not saying your wrong but I sure would like it if you could edjumicate me. Last I heard 1st round picks cost at least 2 mill a year. Doesn't that whole 2 mill count against the cap? Well, look forward to hearing from you. :D

The average value of their contracts is irrelevant. What matters is their cap number this year. And because of the Rule of 51, the cap room we need to sign all of our rookies is far less than their combined cap numbers for this year.

Right now, our picks in the first three rounds are Nos. 22, 28, 58 and 91. After the comp picks are awarded, our picks in the last four rounds should be Nos. 125, 162, 169 and 236.

These were the cap numbers for those picks last year --

22 = $1.147 million
28 = $1.02 million
58 = $495,000
91 = $443,500
125 = $388,620
162 = $325,550
169 = $321,690
236 = $295,000

The rookie pool goes up 5 percent this year, so on average, draft picks should have a cap number 5 percent higher than the player at the same pick last year.

Here's the approximate cap numbers for those picks this year --

22 = $1.205 million
28 = $1.07 million
58 = $520,000
91 = $465,500
125 = $408,000
162 = $341,800
169 = $331,750
236 = $309,750

The Rule of 51 says that the only base salaries that count in the offseason are those for the players with the 51-highest cap numbers on the team. Right now, only the first five picks would make our top 51. They'd each bump out a player with a base salary of $370,000. So when we sign one of them, they'd start counting against our cap, but another player's $370,000 base salary would stop counting. When we sign our last three picks, their base salaries ($295,000 each) won't count against the cap -- only their bonus proration will.

So here's the approximate net cap impact of each draft pick --

22 -- $1.205 million - $370,000 = $835,000
28 -- $1.07 million - $370,000 = $700,000
58 -- $520,000 - $370,000 = $150,000
91 -- $465,500 - $370,000 = $95,500
125 -- $408,000 - $370,000 = $38,000
162 -- $341,800 - $295,000 = $46,800
169 -- $331,750 - $295,000 = $36,750
236 -- $309,750 - $295,000 = $14,750

Each undrafted rookie will count against the cap in the same manner as the late-round draft picks -- their prorated bonus will count against the cap, but their base salary will not because they won't be in our top 51.

The combined cap impact of the eight draft picks as listed above is $1,916,800. But those numbers (particularly for the first two or three picks) could be higher, if we have room in our rookie pool. So we'll add $125,000 just to be safe, which brings the total to $2,041,800. We typically spend between $80,000 and $120,000 of our rookie pool on undrafted free agents. We'll play it safe and say they'll count $125,000, which brings the total to $2,166,800. That's a little less than the $2.2 million total I said we'd probably need to sign all of our rookies, and that's even with adding a little bit extra to be safe.
 

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Adam, just to inject some reality into all those crying for Mcfadden, could you give us a breakdown on the costs of the Top 5 picks?
 
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