2012 NBA Playoffs Thread

from bill simmons, i LOLd

The Another 48 Hrs. Award for "Worst Title Defense"

Two schools of thought: (a) the only thing that matters is winning a title, and (b) part of winning a title is defending that title. I believe the latter, which is why I remain lukewarm on the '83 Sixers as an All-Time Greatest Team (they got bounced the following year in a humiliating Round 1 loss to New Jersey), and why I love the '86 Celtics so much (they were banged up the following spring and could have rolled over, but they didn't). Dallas's willingness to toss away their title defense for cap space (and the "chance" at Dwight Howard and Deron Williams) always seemed a little too clever, as well as a massive underestimation of everything Chandler did on and off the court.1

What rarely gets mentioned here: Had they convinced Chandler to take a little less to stay, they could have pursued Deron Williams this summer (with Dirk and Chandler as the bait) and maybe even used Chandler as trade bait for a sign-and-trade for Howard (either in February or this summer, which wouldn't have been any more callous than how they treated Chandler, anyway). And they could have actually defended their title.

Here's where a Mavs fan might say, "I don't care, we won the title." Yeah, but you also won the "One of the Worst Title Defenses Ever" title. In the Shot Clock Era, only two defending champs missed the playoffs: the '99 Bulls (no MJ or Pippen) and '70 Celtics (no Russell or Sam Jones), but since both teams were rebuilding, you can't totally blame them. Four other defending champs were bounced in Round 1: the 1981 Lakers (lost a best-of-three miniseries to Moses Malone's Rockets), 1984 Sixers (lost a five-gamer to Micheal Ray's Nets), 2007 Heat (swept by Chicago) and 2012 Mavs (swept by Oklahoma City). That's a short list. The Mavs outsmarted themselves; heck, they couldn't even complain about Lamar Odom as he stole money from them for four straight months, because Odom's agent (Jeff Schwartz) represents Williams as well.

And by the way … why are we so convinced that NBA free agents are so desperate to play in Dallas again? Because they want to play with Nowitzki … who's about to turn 34 and cross the 45,000-minute career barrier? Because they want to play for Cuban … who didn't take care of Nash in 2004 or Chandler in 2011 when both guys wanted to stay? You don't think players around the league noticed how Cuban handled Chandler's situation? Even if we've learned not to count out Cubes (especially when things look bleak), I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't grab a do-over for the last 11 months.
 
chandler apparently WANTED to stay with the mavs, AND he was willing to take less money, which completely flies in the face of what some mavs fans on here have been saying all year. if you dont believe me, listen to Bill Simmons Podcast from may 17th, its between minutes 10 and 15, he talks about how pissed chandler was with the mavs not at least being upfront with him about their plans to basically blow the team up
 
juck;4565450 said:
U would know about a "pair" . Im sure you are in close contact to them frequently.

yes i do....everytime i put on my socks and shoes i come in contact with a pair. I am always wearing a pair of jeans or shorts.
 
juck;4565476 said:
Did u read what he wrote to me?

However Ill say this. I apologize for any insults I have thrown on this thread to anyone,including Biggems and Zrinkill ,C&L and Kaos.
Id like to squash any CZ beef we have had. Its silly.I can act childish.

i dont want an apology for your insults, cause you don't really mean it.....also, we are guys, we insult each other....we dog each other out....the nature of the beast......no harm no foul.

instead of apologizing for insults, i would rather you simply acknowledge that the Spurs are a far better franchise than the Mavs and the 3rd best in the history of the NBA....if you do that, apology accepted...cause if you do that, i know you are not being blinded by your homer glasses.
 
EMMITTnROY;4565743 said:
Man, the Spurs/Thunder series is going to be so good.


But in all seriousness.....it should be a pretty good series. I can tell you this....While I believe the Spurs will win, I do not feel as easy about this matchup as the ones vs the Jazz and Clippers.
 
Biggems;4565721 said:
i dont want an apology for your insults, cause you don't really mean it.....also, we are guys, we insult each other....we dog each other out....the nature of the beast......no harm no foul.

instead of apologizing for insults, i would rather you simply acknowledge that the Spurs are a far better franchise than the Mavs and the 3rd best in the history of the NBA....if you do that, apology accepted...cause if you do that, i know you are not being blinded by your homer glasses.
I have a strong allegiance for DALLAS sports. No matter what sport. Spurs have more rings,which I guess equivilates better franchise. Mavs are no slouch and refs stole one from us in 2006. Everything goes in cycles too. Thats said this year Spurs are strong. I picked them to go to the finals. Only reason I want Miami to win is I will make a lot if they just go,but way more if they win it all. I do tend to associate this site with Dallas sports,not Houston,or SA or LA,etc..
 
juck;4565768 said:
I have a strong allegiance for DALLAS sports. No matter what sport. Spurs have more rings,which I guess equivilates better franchise. Mavs are no slouch and refs stole one from us in 2006. Everything goes in cycles too. Thats said this year Spurs are strong. I picked them to go to the finals. Only reason I want Miami to win is I will make a lot if they just go,but way more if they win it all. I do tend to associate this site with Dallas sports,not Houston,or SA or LA,etc..


It isnt just the rings.....The Spurs have only had 6 losing seasons and only missed the playoffs 4 times in their NBA existence. They have 18 Division Championships. They have either the 2nd or 3rd best winning % in NBA history. And yes, they have 4 NBA titles.
 
I would love to see a Spurs/Pacers final......Two teams that play sound team basketball the way it should be played....

Of course the ratings would be low, but I don't care......All I care about is my entertainment
 
Biggems;4565775 said:
It isnt just the rings.....The Spurs have only had 6 losing seasons and only missed the playoffs 4 times in their NBA existence. They have 18 Division Championships. They have either the 2nd or 3rd best winning % in NBA history. And yes, they have 4 NBA titles.
Hey I admit it but its hard, they are a bitter rival. I was in same position with a friend about the Steelers. I had to admit that they were a better run and most successful organization and it pained me severly to admit it.Still its no reason to be overconfident because until the final buzzer rings it aint over. Lots of Basketball to be played.
 
juck;4565788 said:
Hey I admit it but its hard, they are a bitter rival. I was in same position with a friend about the Steelers. I had to admit that they were a better run and most successful organization and it pained me severly to admit it.Still its no reason to be overconfident because until the final buzzer rings it aint over. Lots of Basketball to be played.

I am not overconfident.....The Spurs are playing some of the best basketball I have ever seen......up there with the 80s Celtics, Showtime Lakers, Bad Boy Pistons, 2nd 3peat Bulls....I mean they are simply obliterating opponents.
 
Biggems;4565791 said:
I am not overconfident.....The Spurs are playing some of the best basketball I have ever seen......up there with the 80s Celtics, Showtime Lakers, Bad Boy Pistons, 2nd 3peat Bulls....I mean they are simply obliterating opponents.

They are playing great, but that's a bit of a reach I feel.
 
RastaRocket;4565795 said:
They are playing great, but that's a bit of a reach I feel.

how is it a reach? there is absolutely no way to compare teams from different eras but to compare how they fare vs their current competition, and no one has ever pounded all comers like the spurs have the last 2 months
 

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