2013 NBA playoff thread

[khiladi]

During Lebron's 'magical' performance, Splitter, Neal and Ginboli were on the floor and Duncan, Leonard, and Parker were already pulled. The defensive strategy of laying off of Lebron went totally out the window and Lebron was being defended by neal alone in the post. Even then, 6 of the points were off the two 3's, one by Chalmers and one by Miller, both horrible defensive breakdowns by the Spurs.

As soon as the 3 starters were inserted back into the line-up, Lebron turned the ball over 3 times, 2 times in a row, bricked two 3 pointers, air balled a lay-up and went 1-2 from the free throw line, as well as missed an open 17 footer. He was horrible. That air ball said it all when he looked at his own players acting like they should have been there. Then one could see how bad he knew he played by his expression on his face in that time-out. He also missed a free throw in overtime and turned the ball over in crunch time then as well when he actually fouled Green clearly with his elbow on the play it was ruled out of bounds on him. It was also Lebron who Parker hit the 3 pointer over at the end of regulation and Lebron that Parker blew by for the final lay up which put them up 3. Ray Allen saved Lebron...

Lebron's performance was overly hyped and for him to say He willed the team to victory in the post-game interview is hogwash and one of the reasons why people hate him. The claim that critics hate him is absurd, i.e he's got more promoters in the industry than anybody else. Game 4 he was given credit, when that game was Wade. Nine of Lebron's points came in the final like 2 or 3 minutes when the Heat were already up like 15 and Pop had already rested his starters. That made him the leading scorer, but he surely wans't the reason they won that game. Wade was...

In this game, Pop kept with Ginobli way too long and that line-up when the Spurs were up 12 or 15. He had 8 turnovers, most ever in his career and only nine points. Miami was plus 21 with him on the floor in 35 minutes and when he was out, the Spurs were like 19 to 5 in seventeen minutes with him off the floor. Not only that he missed two clutch free throws.

The reality is, the Spurs blew this game big time and Ginobli was the main reason.

 

[Gemini Dolly]

During Lebron's 'magical' performance, Splitter, Neal and Ginboli were on the floor and Duncan, Leonard, and Parker were already pulled. The defensive strategy of laying off of Lebron went totally out the window and Lebron was being defended by neal alone in the post. Even then, 6 of the points were off the two 3's, one by Chalmers and one by Miller, both horrible defensive breakdowns by the Spurs.

As soon as the 3 starters were inserted back into the line-up, Lebron turned the ball over 3 times, 2 times in a row, bricked two 3 pointers, air balled a lay-up and went 1-2 from the free throw line, as well as missed an open 17 footer. He was horrible. That air ball said it all when he looked at his own players acting like they should have been there. Then one could see how bad he knew he played by his expression on his face in that time-out. He also missed a free throw in overtime and turned the ball over in crunch time then as well when he actually fouled Green clearly with his elbow on the play it was ruled out of bounds on him. It was also Lebron who Parker hit the 3 pointer over at the end of regulation and Lebron that Parker blew by for the final lay up which put them up 3. Ray Allen saved Lebron...

Lebron's performance was overly hyped and for him to say He willed the team to victory in the post-game interview is hogwash and one of the reasons why people hate him. The claim that critics hate him is absurd, i.e he's got more promoters in the industry than anybody else. Game 4 he was given credit, when that game was Wade. Nine of Lebron's points came in the final like 2 or 3 minutes when the Heat were already up like 15 and Pop had already rested his starters. That made him the leading scorer, but he surely wans't the reason they won that game. Wade was...

In this game, Pop kept with Ginobli way too long and that line-up when the Spurs were up 12 or 15. He had 8 turnovers, most ever in his career and only nine points. Miami was plus 21 with him on the floor in 35 minutes and when he was out, the Spurs were like 19 to 5 in seventeen minutes with him off the floor. Not only that he missed two clutch free throws.

The reality is, the Spurs blew this game big time and Ginobli was the main reason.

Thats fair. Wonder if the Spurs bring him back?

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

During Lebron's 'magical' performance, Splitter, Neal and Ginboli were on the floor and Duncan, Leonard, and Parker were already pulled. The defensive strategy of laying off of Lebron went totally out the window and Lebron was being defended by neal alone in the post. Even then, 6 of the points were off the two 3's, one by Chalmers and one by Miller, both horrible defensive breakdowns by the Spurs.

As soon as the 3 starters were inserted back into the line-up, Lebron turned the ball over 3 times, 2 times in a row, bricked two 3 pointers, air balled a lay-up and went 1-2 from the free throw line, as well as missed an open 17 footer. He was horrible. That air ball said it all when he looked at his own players acting like they should have been there. Then one could see how bad he knew he played by his expression on his face in that time-out. He also missed a free throw in overtime and turned the ball over in crunch time then as well when he actually fouled Green clearly with his elbow on the play it was ruled out of bounds on him. It was also Lebron who Parker hit the 3 pointer over at the end of regulation and Lebron that Parker blew by for the final lay up which put them up 3. Ray Allen saved Lebron...

Lebron's performance was overly hyped and for him to say He willed the team to victory in the post-game interview is hogwash and one of the reasons why people hate him. The claim that critics hate him is absurd, i.e he's got more promoters in the industry than anybody else. Game 4 he was given credit, when that game was Wade. Nine of Lebron's points came in the final like 2 or 3 minutes when the Heat were already up like 15 and Pop had already rested his starters. That made him the leading scorer, but he surely wans't the reason they won that game. Wade was...

In this game, Pop kept with Ginobli way too long and that line-up when the Spurs were up 12 or 15. He had 8 turnovers, most ever in his career and only nine points. Miami was plus 21 with him on the floor in 35 minutes and when he was out, the Spurs were like 19 to 5 in seventeen minutes with him off the floor. Not only that he missed two clutch free throws.

The reality is, the Spurs blew this game big time and Ginobli was the main reason.

So the Heat won in spite of Lebron?

Would they have been better off with him on the bench?

 

[Jenky]

Love Lebron, but he messed up big time at the end. I remember at least 2 critical turnovers where the ball just slipped out of his hands and where he should of dunked on Danny Green on the fast break. Also had some missed lay ups.

Dude should just play with the headband off for game 7.

Ray Allen bailed them out big time and Bosh finally became relevant with some key blocks and rebounds.

Officiating was horrible on both sides.

 

[Jenky]

During Lebron's 'magical' performance, Splitter, Neal and Ginboli were on the floor and Duncan, Leonard, and Parker were already pulled. The defensive strategy of laying off of Lebron went totally out the window and Lebron was being defended by neal alone in the post. Even then, 6 of the points were off the two 3's, one by Chalmers and one by Miller, both horrible defensive breakdowns by the Spurs.

As soon as the 3 starters were inserted back into the line-up, Lebron turned the ball over 3 times, 2 times in a row, bricked two 3 pointers, air balled a lay-up and went 1-2 from the free throw line, as well as missed an open 17 footer. He was horrible. That air ball said it all when he looked at his own players acting like they should have been there. Then one could see how bad he knew he played by his expression on his face in that time-out. He also missed a free throw in overtime and turned the ball over in crunch time then as well when he actually fouled Green clearly with his elbow on the play it was ruled out of bounds on him. It was also Lebron who Parker hit the 3 pointer over at the end of regulation and Lebron that Parker blew by for the final lay up which put them up 3. Ray Allen saved Lebron...

Lebron's performance was overly hyped and for him to say He willed the team to victory in the post-game interview is hogwash and one of the reasons why people hate him. The claim that critics hate him is absurd, i.e he's got more promoters in the industry than anybody else. Game 4 he was given credit, when that game was Wade. Nine of Lebron's points came in the final like 2 or 3 minutes when the Heat were already up like 15 and Pop had already rested his starters. That made him the leading scorer, but he surely wans't the reason they won that game. Wade was...

In this game, Pop kept with Ginobli way too long and that line-up when the Spurs were up 12 or 15. He had 8 turnovers, most ever in his career and only nine points. Miami was plus 21 with him on the floor in 35 minutes and when he was out, the Spurs were like 19 to 5 in seventeen minutes with him off the floor. Not only that he missed two clutch free throws.

The reality is, the Spurs blew this game big time and Ginobli was the main reason.

I thought Parker hit that circus shot on Chalmers. You can't defend that. The way he contorted his body in mid air to get that shot off. There's no defending that.

 

[WV Cowboy]

During Lebron's 'magical' performance, Splitter, Neal and Ginboli were on the floor and Duncan, Leonard, and Parker were already pulled. The defensive strategy of laying off of Lebron went totally out the window and Lebron was being defended by neal alone in the post. Even then, 6 of the points were off the two 3's, one by Chalmers and one by Miller, both horrible defensive breakdowns by the Spurs.

As soon as the 3 starters were inserted back into the line-up, Lebron turned the ball over 3 times, 2 times in a row, bricked two 3 pointers, air balled a lay-up and went 1-2 from the free throw line, as well as missed an open 17 footer. He was horrible. That air ball said it all when he looked at his own players acting like they should have been there. Then one could see how bad he knew he played by his expression on his face in that time-out. He also missed a free throw in overtime and turned the ball over in crunch time then as well when he actually fouled Green clearly with his elbow on the play it was ruled out of bounds on him. It was also Lebron who Parker hit the 3 pointer over at the end of regulation and Lebron that Parker blew by for the final lay up which put them up 3. Ray Allen saved Lebron...

Lebron's performance was overly hyped and for him to say He willed the team to victory in the post-game interview is hogwash and one of the reasons why people hate him. The claim that critics hate him is absurd, i.e he's got more promoters in the industry than anybody else. Game 4 he was given credit, when that game was Wade. Nine of Lebron's points came in the final like 2 or 3 minutes when the Heat were already up like 15 and Pop had already rested his starters. That made him the leading scorer, but he surely wans't the reason they won that game. Wade was...

In this game, Pop kept with Ginobli way too long and that line-up when the Spurs were up 12 or 15. He had 8 turnovers, most ever in his career and only nine points. Miami was plus 21 with him on the floor in 35 minutes and when he was out, the Spurs were like 19 to 5 in seventeen minutes with him off the floor. Not only that he missed two clutch free throws.

The reality is, the Spurs blew this game big time and Ginobli was the main reason.

Just stop, .. you are looking foolish.

 

[Joe Realist]

Heat 108
Spurs 89

MVP Lebron

 

[khiladi]

Just stop, .. you are looking foolish.

I challenge you to look at the stats and not what ESPN told you...

 

[khiladi]

So the Heat won in spite of Lebron?

Would they have been better off with him on the bench?

Would the Spurs have won if Ginolbi was riding the pine? Because the stats say Miami was plus 21 when he was in, for 35 minutes, while he was riding the bench, Spurs were outscoring Miami 19-5 in 17 minutes he was on the bench. And Lebron played 50 plus minutes.

Maybe you didn't see Lebron's facial expression in the last time out, right before Ray Allen bailed him out after he tossed those bricks and air-balled that lay-up..

 

[khiladi]

I thought Parker hit that circus shot on Chalmers. You can't defend that. The way he contorted his body in mid air to get that shot off. There's no defending that.

I was referring to the three that Parker hit. And that last shot, Lebron was guarding him up top and Parker beat him to go to the paint to make that shot.

 

[khiladi]

Love Lebron, but he messed up big time at the end. I remember at least 2 critical turnovers where the ball just slipped out of his hands and where he should of dunked on Danny Green on the fast break. Also had some missed lay ups.

Dude should just play with the headband off for game 7.

Ray Allen bailed them out big time and Bosh finally became relevant with some key blocks and rebounds.

Officiating was horrible on both sides.

Exactly... He had 2 in regulation after his 'miracle' run to put them back in the game when the Spurs inserted their starters and went back to their defensive philosophy. He played awful as soon as the starters came back in. He had one of the turn-overs against Danny Green on the 'lay-up' you mentioned above, but that was overtime. And even then, it should have been an offensive foul, cause Lebron totally killed Green with the elbow.

His post-game interview was an utter joke that he 'willed' the team to victory. Guys headband falls off and people consider it like he went mad.

Ginobli played absolutely awful, with 8 turnovers, the most ever in his career. Many of them were so awful they just initiated easy fast break points for the Heat. Ginboli was the actual key to that Miami run. The Chalmers 3 he left him wide-open on the corner playing so far into the paint, when Lebron was already doubled.

 

[MC KAos]

*sigh* I can't not watch game 7! Ive got my lucky spurs T-shirt on and I'm hopefull for tonight's game! One thing I won't change tho from the moment after that loss, I can't let my son be into sports as much as I am. It's so painful! He can be into other stuff, like playing guitar or something. As for some thoughts after having a day and a half to clear my mind...

I don't blame pop for not having TD out there. I blame it on our inability to rebound, hit free throws, and whatever got into ginobili at the end of OT. We should have called a time out, I think that's what pop wanted judging from his reaction to the play. I haven't seen any post game quotes or coverage so forgive me if anyone addressed it. I think we win if Manu calls timeout, giving pop a chance to put tony back in and draw up a play, down 1 with 8 or so second left. We at least get a decent look.

 

[MC KAos]

Having said that, here is what I think I might have said that got misconstrued. Obviously the only reason the game got tight was because lebron took over in the fourth, he was phenomenal! HOWEVER, when the spurs were down 3 with about 2 minutes down, he had 2 bad shot and a turnover that allowed the spurs to get the lead back. That's what I meant by saying he tried to choke it away.

As for who SHOULDN'T be playing for the heat, it's D Wade. Lebron took over that game when he had 3 shooters out there and no wade. For whatever reason, the heat were better without wade in the fourth. Maybe I was because of his injury, who knows.

 

[MC KAos]

Looking forward to game seven, Wade's condition and lebron's fatigue level after all those minutes and having to carry his team will be a factor IMO. I don't think it will be a blowout. The spurs will make adjustments, specifically to the pick and roll switch the heat were forcing them to make that got tony on lebron so much in the fourth. I think (hope?) that if we can weather the initial storm from the heat and their fans, we can stay in the game and give ourselves a chance. If wade is hurt like he seemed at the end of game 6, lebron will need to carry them, and that could mean he will be gassed in the fourth.

If I had to bet my house on it I'd take the heat, like any non partial person would. But I just believe that the spurs won't just sulk and roll over in this game. This is too important for Tim, pop is too great a coach, and tony and Manu are just too proud.

This series has truly been great, and I expect a great game 7. I just hope I can look back on this all time great series fondly one day in the future, and not sadly, like I do the 2006 series with the mavs, which, IMO, is the greatest series the nba has seen this century, we just happened to be on the wrong end of it. I hope, for my nerves sake, that we will be in the right end of history come tomorrow morning

Go Spurs Go

 

[WV Cowboy]

I challenge you to look at the stats and not what ESPN told you...

Wow, the Heat must REALLY be a great team, that they can still beat the SA Spurs in any of the NBA Finals games, .. despite that BUM Lebron playing so poorly.


A player gets a triple double, against the very best competition on the world, in an NBA finals game, and you can only find fault.

Like I said, you look foolish.

Go ahead and hate Lebron, .. but don't try to act like he is not a good basketball player.

 

[jterrell]

Lakers are not really in bad shape, as far as contracts go guys. Seriously, I keep saying this but nobody want's to hear it.

:laugh2:

If Kobe comes back, then he comes back. The Lakers can either decided to drop him or not and, it's likely that they could still file for injury exception on Kobe if he can not recover in time. Gasol can be traded right now, today, if the Lakers decided to do so. His contract would also be off the books. World Peace is in his last year of his contract as well. The Lakers have an early termination option on him so they could easily decide to keep him this year and be done next year or they could use their Amnesty Player Exception on any of the three big contracts they currently have.

The only other big contract they really have is Steve Nash for one more year after this one. That's it. after 2014, the Lakers are going to have almost their entire cap available to them if they don't decide to resign Howard or any other FAs before hand.

You keep saying it but it isn't true AT ALL.

They have 60 million tied up in Nash, Gasol and Kobe for this year.
So those 3 plus holds puts them at the cap.

That doesn't include the 7.7m for Artest that he would be crazy to opt out of.

AND it doesn't include the 20m to keep DH.

For the following season they have only Nash at 9m but also NO roster under that scenario. That won't happen. They'll have massive cash outlays on DH or other players.

They aren't getting rid of Kobe's 30m due to injury. They can amnesty him if they choose. But they'd still not have any real cap room.

Gasol. Yes he can be traded. But only teams with significant cap space can take him without handing back matching salaries. And those teams don;t want aging, expensive players.

Ironically, one of the place he could probably go is Dallas. They could use him for one year to bridge to the next FA class. But again LAL has no draft picks to trade and no sweeteners for deals. They have a bunch of overprices assets that require tips to trade. They can only amnesty one overpaid guy.

They are in bad, bad shape.

 

[jterrell]

Just stop, .. you are looking foolish.

agreed.

a triple double and 30 points scored. people really need to get a grip on reality.

 

[jterrell]

I challenge you to look at the stats and not what ESPN told you...

the stats say he had a historically good game. triple double with 30 points is a rare feat. in an elimination game it is almost unheard of.

you might need to look at it as basketball and take off the hater shades.

oh no you mean a 6'9" guy had some turnovers amidst all those points, rebounds and assists?

just stop posting nonsense please.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

You keep saying it but it isn't true AT ALL.

Auhh, yeah it is. The Lakers are in great cap position for 2014. They are in better position then any other team in the League.

They have 60 million tied up in Nash, Gasol and Kobe for this year.
So those 3 plus holds puts them at the cap.

Kobe has one year left on his contract and that may well be an injury exception, if the Lakers elect to use it. Either way, by 2014, the Lakers are done with that contract if they want out. Your statement is pointless because this is talking about 2014. What they have on the books for this season is irrelevant. Gasol can be traded to three team right now, in exchange for players or picks and the Lakers are out from under his contract. The only reason he has not been traded already is because the Lakers do not know what will happen with Howard. If Howard stays, the Lakers will probably trade Gasol. If Howard leaves, the Lakers will likely keep Gasol for another season and then trade him or just let him walk. Either way, his contract is up after this year.

That doesn't include the 7.7m for Artest that he would be crazy to opt out of.

AND it doesn't include the 20m to keep DH.

The Lakers still have the Amnesty exception available. They have the option to use that with World Peace if they want to. However, 7.7 million is not bad for a starting Forward in the NBA. In fact, the Lakers could use the exception on Kobe, Gasol or Artest, any of those contracts. As for Howard, paying him to stay or freeing up the cap space, I don't see that as a bad deal for the Lakers either way and you know it JT.

For the following season they have only Nash at 9m but also NO roster under that scenario. That won't happen. They'll have massive cash outlays on DH or other players.

Nash is there for 2014 possibly. It could be that Nash decides to retire but even if he doesn't, his salary is not going to be a big factor in signing players. As far as your "Massive Cash Outlayers", that's fantasy. None of that is true. The only way they have any cap tied up is if they resign Howard and that's still not a bad deal for them. Even if they resign howard, they are still going to have more then enough cap space to sign 2 more big time FAs and maybe 3. They will also have plenty of cap to fill out the roster and bring in decent supporting cast.

They aren't getting rid of Kobe's 30m due to injury. They can amnesty him if they choose. But they'd still not have any real cap room.

And you know this how? As a matter of fact, you don't know this but it doesn't matter because after this season, he's done, as I said earlier. Either way, they can free up 30 Million in cap space for 2014 if they decide to. Heck, they could free up 28 million this year if they decided to. All they have to do is trade Gasol and use the exception with World Peace or they could free up 50 Million by trading Gasol and using the exception, either injury or Amnesty with Kobe. The Lakers have options regardless of if you want to acknowledge that or not.

Gasol. Yes he can be traded. But only teams with significant cap space can take him without handing back matching salaries. And those teams don;t want aging, expensive players.

Ironically, one of the place he could probably go is Dallas. They could use him for one year to bridge to the next FA class. But again LAL has no draft picks to trade and no sweeteners for deals. They have a bunch of overprices assets that require tips to trade. They can only amnesty one overpaid guy.

There are a lot of places he could go. If Dallas wanted him, they would probably have to trade for him because that's probably what the Lakers will do. I'm fine with it if Dallas can offer up decent players or picks.

They are in bad, bad shape.

Keep thinking that, right up to the point where the Lakers are signing big time FAs in 2014. Then come back and remind me of what you said.

 

[khiladi]

Wow, the Heat must REALLY be a great team, that they can still beat the SA Spurs in any of the NBA Finals games, .. despite that BUM Lebron playing so poorly.


A player gets a triple double, against the very best competition on the world, in an NBA finals game, and you can only find fault.

Like I said, you look foolish.

Go ahead and hate Lebron, .. but don't try to act like he is not a good basketball player.

Going from Lebron had a awful fourth when the Spurs starters came in and that he was spewing forth nonsense when he said he 'willed' the team to victory to "he is not a good basketball" player is evidence of your horrendous logic.