2016 NBA Playoffs Thread

[PJTHEDOORS]

He's also the all time leading scorer because of how long he played.

He had a few 30+ ppg seasons, early in his career, but other than that, the scoring averages are about the same. Had Hakeem played with Oscar Robertson early in his career and then ended his career with a Magic Johnson in his prime, he easily could have had a higher scoring average.

And don't sleep on the dream shake...

I love the coulda, woulda game. I don't have to worry or sleep on the Dream Shake. As I said, the Skyhook was UNGUARDABLE.


KAREEM'S Career highlights and awards

6× NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987–1988)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1980)
19× NBA All-Star (1970–1977, 1979–1989)
10× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974, 1976–1977, 1980–1981, 1984, 1986)
5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978–1979, 1983, 1985)



DREAM'S Career highlights and awards

2× NBA champion (1994, 1995)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1994, 1995)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1994)
12× NBA All-Star (1985–1990, 1992–1997)
6× All-NBA First Team (1987–1989, 1993, 1994, 1997)
3× All-NBA Second Team (1986, 1990, 1996)

 

[Super_Kazuya]

I love the coulda, woulda game. I don't have to worry or sleep on the Dream Shake. As I said, the Skyhook was UNGUARDABLE.


KAREEM'S Career highlights and awards

6× NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987–1988)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1980)
19× NBA All-Star (1970–1977, 1979–1989)
10× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974, 1976–1977, 1980–1981, 1984, 1986)
5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978–1979, 1983, 1985)



DREAM'S Career highlights and awards

2× NBA champion (1994, 1995)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1994, 1995)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1994)
12× NBA All-Star (1985–1990, 1992–1997)
6× All-NBA First Team (1987–1989, 1993, 1994, 1997)
3× All-NBA Second Team (1986, 1990, 1996)

Honestly, 6 MVPs to 1 pretty much wraps it up as to how they were viewed relative to their peers at the time. Hakeem was an excellent player but didn't do a single thing better than Kareem (and yes, that includes defense). Kareem is arguably the best basketball player ever.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Honestly, 6 MVPs to 1 pretty much wraps it up as to how they were viewed relative to their peers at the time. Hakeem was an excellent player but didn't do a single thing better than Kareem (and yes, that includes defense). Kareem is arguably the best basketball player ever.

Not to mention add what he did in High School and College to his NBA career.

 

[Tabascocat]

Honestly, 6 MVPs to 1 pretty much wraps it up as to how they were viewed relative to their peers at the time. Hakeem was an excellent player but didn't do a single thing better than Kareem (and yes, that includes defense). Kareem is arguably the best basketball player ever.

The Dream was hands-down a better defender........

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

The Dream was hands-down a better defender........

Not necessarily hands down.

KAREEM
11-time All-Defensive selection
First Team: 1974, 1975, 1979, 1980, 1981
Second Team: 1970, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1984

DREAM
5× First Team (1987, 1988, 1990, 1993, 1994)
4× Second Team (1985, 1991, 1996, 1997)

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Honestly, 6 MVPs to 1 pretty much wraps it up as to how they were viewed relative to their peers at the time. Hakeem was an excellent player but didn't do a single thing better than Kareem (and yes, that includes defense). Kareem is arguably the best basketball player ever.

I love the coulda, woulda game. I don't have to worry or sleep on the Dream Shake. As I said, the Skyhook was UNGUARDABLE.


KAREEM'S Career highlights and awards

6× NBA champion (1971, 1980, 1982, 1985, 1987–1988)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1971, 1985)
6× NBA Most Valuable Player (1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1980)
19× NBA All-Star (1970–1977, 1979–1989)
10× All-NBA First Team (1971–1974, 1976–1977, 1980–1981, 1984, 1986)
5× All-NBA Second Team (1970, 1978–1979, 1983, 1985)



DREAM'S Career highlights and awards

2× NBA champion (1994, 1995)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1994, 1995)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1994)
12× NBA All-Star (1985–1990, 1992–1997)
6× All-NBA First Team (1987–1989, 1993, 1994, 1997)
3× All-NBA Second Team (1986, 1990, 1996)

Not really, they played in different times. Part of their careers over lapped, but all of his MVPs came prior to Hakeem being drafted. Only 1, after Magic and Bird came into the league. Not to mention, Kareem was one of the few 7'0 plus players in the 1970s. Wes Unseld was 6'7. Dave Cowens, Bob McAdo and Willis Reed were 6'9. Moses Malone and Bob Lainer were 6'10. Parish was the only guy I can think of who was at least 7'0, and he was not a MVP candidate like some of those guys.

Hakeem's contemporaries were 6'10 Alonzo Mourning, 7'0 Patrick Ewing, 7'1 David Robinson and Shaquille O'neal, 7'2 Dikembe Mutombo. 7'4 Mark Eaton.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Not necessarily hands down.

KAREEM
11-time All-Defensive selection
First Team: 1974, 1975, 1979, 1980, 1981
Second Team: 1970, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1984

DREAM
5× First Team (1987, 1988, 1990, 1993, 1994)
4× Second Team (1985, 1991, 1996, 1997)

To be fair, Hakeem played against a lot more athletic players overall in his career. I would say between the late 80s thoughtout the 90s. the athletic level of the players skyrocketed in all major sports.

 

[YosemiteSam]

btw, the NBA season is over. Close this crap thread.

 

[Tabascocat]

To be fair, Hakeem played against a lot more athletic players overall in his career. I would say between the late 80s thoughtout the 90s. the athletic level of the players skyrocketed in all major sports.

That is the most talented era by far. Prior to and after are not anything close to the competition really outside a few players.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

That is the most talented era by far. Prior to and after are not anything close to the competition really outside a few players.

And that's not to say Hakeem is better by default, just you can't throw out accomplishments from the 70s to close the case.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Not really, they played in different times. Part of their careers over lapped, but all of his MVPs came prior to Hakeem being drafted. Only 1, after Magic and Bird came into the league. Not to mention, Kareem was one of the few 7'0 plus players in the 1970s. Wes Unseld was 6'7. Dave Cowens, Bob McAdo and Willis Reed were 6'9. Moses Malone and Bob Lainer were 6'10. Parish was the only guy I can think of who was at least 7'0, and he was not a MVP candidate like some of those guys.

Hakeem's contemporaries were 6'10 Alonzo Mourning, 7'0 Patrick Ewing, 7'1 David Robinson and Shaquille O'neal, 7'2 Dikembe Mutombo. 7'4 Mark Eaton.

C'mon man. If someone was trying to say Steph Curry was better than Kobe because he had 2 MVPs to Kobe's 1, logic like this would work. You can't hand wave away SIX MVPs. There were plenty of fantastic players in Kareem's time as well.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

To be fair, Hakeem played against a lot more athletic players overall in his career. I would say between the late 80s thoughtout the 90s. the athletic level of the players skyrocketed in all major sports.

Don't get why that has any significance to Kareem's defense.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

C'mon man. If someone was trying to say Steph Curry was better than Kobe because he had 2 MVPs to Kobe's 1, logic like this would work. You can't hand wave away SIX MVPs. There were plenty of fantastic players in Kareem's time as well.

I honestly don't think the caliber of players in the 70s compare to that of the mid to late 80s, through the mid 90s.

 

[Tabascocat]

Not to mention, there were only half the number of teams back then, making it much easier to gain accolades.

 

[Super_Kazuya]

Not to mention, there were only half the number of teams back then, making it much easier to gain accolades.

But it was still the same as today, in that not every team had a player in contention. It still came down to the best player from the best teams. Kareem could have easily 7 MVPs as he was clearly better than Cowens in 73, but the Celts won 68 games which I believe was the record at the time. The number of teams does not play in to the MVP race as there are always just a few serious candidates, and you almost always have to be on one of the best teams to win it.

 

[Tabascocat]

But it was still the same as today, in that not every team had a player in contention. It still came down to the best player from the best teams. Kareem could have easily 7 MVPs as he was clearly better than Cowens in 73, but the Celts won 68 games which I believe was the record at the time. The number of teams does not play in to the MVP race as there are always just a few serious candidates, and you almost always have to be on one of the best teams to win it.

Not really talking about MVP, mostly for 1st/2nd all team, finals trophies, etc. It is much easier to go through 16 teams to win a title than it is 31.

I take nothing away from Kareem, he was a great player. It is just my opinion that Hakeem had a better all-around game. Who is to say that the Dream couldn't have racked up those numbers if he played then? We will never know........there is no way to compare different eras.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Don't get why that has any significance to Kareem's defense.

I'm guessing you're more emotionally driven than logically driven because that makes perfect sense to me.

Do you also believe that a 320lbs guy that can run a 4.6 40 is a less talented OL than a 275lbs guy that can only run a 4.8 40? Because thats a HUGE difference in football. Back in the 70s, there was nobody even remotely close to the physical size, strength, and abilities like Larry Allen.

One reason Kareem was so dominate is because he was 7'2 270lbs. Most NBA players back in his prime weren't anywhere near that size. (which is why the skyhook couldn't be blocked) A lot more players today are closer to that size than they were back then.

Kareem wouldn't have dominated the way he did back then today.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I'm guessing you're more emotionally driven than logically driven because that makes perfect sense to me.

Do you also believe that a 320lbs guy that can run a 4.6 40 is a less talented OL than a 275lbs guy that can only run a 4.8 40? Because thats a HUGE difference in football. Back in the 70s, there was nobody even remotely close to the physical size, strength, and abilities like Larry Allen.

One reason Kareem was so dominate is because he was 7'2 270lbs. Most NBA players back in his prime weren't anywhere near that size. (which is why the skyhook couldn't be blocked) A lot more players today are closer to that size than they were back then.

Kareem wouldn't have dominated the way he did back then today.

And your emotions on this have nothing to do with it. Whatever, I'm done with this topic.

"Kareem wouldn't have dominated the way he did back then today." Amazing, you know Kareem's drive and passion for the game more so than he. A guy sitting on the couch who never played in the NBA.

 

[YosemiteSam]

 

[zrinkill]

That is the most talented era by far. Prior to and after are not anything close to the competition really outside a few players.

Bull.