2018-19 NHL Season

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  1. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    Also, wanted to clarify... Doughty hasn't had a true top pairing partner since October, 2014 when Voynov was arrested, which sent Muzzin to the second pairing to fill Slava's vacancy. He carries the Kings top pairing, and often the team's D.
     
  2. FloridaRob

    FloridaRob Well-Known Member

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    didn't hockey just end?
     
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  3. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    Nope, it's getting ready to start, Rob.

    Well, the post season ended in June. But the regular season begins October 5th (for LAK). Kings host EK and Burns and San Jose. Yay...
     
  4. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    What argument? This entire thread you've been arguing with me as if I'm saying that EK65 is a better defensive player than DD and Hedman. I never said that and I don't think that. But your original point about EK can't play 30:00 but the other two can was and remains nonsense. You've made stuff up about deployment and when your point about zone starts was b.s., you moved the goalposts to SHTOI, which is weak considering the fact that EK65 is a puck mover, not Dan Girardi. Also, your numbers are wrong. LAK averaged 8:57 and OTT averaged 8:08 PIM/GP.
     
  5. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    I was looking at Calgary, not OTT. Damn. You got me there. Still, point stands, Drew doubles EK with SH mins at roughly the same amount of PIM/G. If a difference of 50 seconds isn't "roughly the same" (my words), then a difference of 3-4% in DZS isn't, either.

    Show me where I was making stuff up about Zone Deployment

    I am irrationally upset that I ruined a good post by simply brain farting on the wrong team, and now you can use that against me, rather than trying to see the point I made in response to your Team A 1 penalty vs Team B 5 penalty argument
     
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  6. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    My whole argument here is that EK is an elite one-dimensional defenseman that will never sniff the jock of the well-rounded elite defensemen in the mold of VH/DD. My argument was never meant to be specific. I am talking hockey. I am not trying to pigeonhole your many arguments/replies, don't do it to me.
     
  7. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    And my argument is that you're wrong, and you're trying to use specific metrics to do it...but they don't exist.
     
  8. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    50 seconds isn't roughly the same. DD kills more penalties than EK. It doesn't change anything about how good either is or isn't.

    You said that DD got easier zone deployment, the 3 are all basically the same.
     
  9. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    No, a difference in 3-4% isn't any more "roughly the same" as 50 secs a game, over the course of a season, when EK is probably getting the 4th most PK mins on his own team.

    Future, something tells me you like to have the last word.
     
  10. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    Where am I wrong?

    Drew gets harder minutes.

    Draws more DZS

    Plays at 2x the PK mins of EK.

    Where am I wrong?
     
  11. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    I used, didn't "try" specific metrics. The only one you got me on was a brainfart where I mixed up Calgary with Ottawa.

    The rest is you assuming "it's all the same"
     
  12. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    Where did I "make stuff up?" Show me the post. Hold my hand. Point me there, hoss.
     
  13. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    3-4% zone starts is 1-2 faceoffs per game. That is demonstrably more similar than 50 seconds of SH TOi.
     
  14. Future

    Future Intramural Legend

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    See below.

    OZS 2017:
    EK - 55.1
    DD - 51.3
    VH - 54.1

    2016:
    EK - 52.9
    DD - 54.4
    VH - 57.4

    2015:
    EK - 55.3
    DD - 55.9
    VH - 56.6

    3-year average:
    EK - 54.4
    DD - 53.9
    VH - 56

    DD, EK, and VH all have effectively the same OZS rate. The difference between 54.4% and 53.9% is basically 1 faceoff per game. So your idea that EK gets all these easier minutes is nonsense. You made up some crap about deployment, and the actual numbers are way off from what you're saying.
     
  15. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    Your post doesn't say I made anything up.

    DZS

    2013

    DD 45.3
    EK 44.5

    2014

    DD 47.1
    EK 46.7

    2015

    DD 44.1
    EK 44.7

    2016 (I'll give him this season; it was EK's best as an all around D, as his DZS shot up, as well as his SH TOI, but it plummeted back to his baseline after this outlier)

    DD 45.6
    EK 47.1

    2017

    DD 48.7
    EK 44.9

    Career

    DD 46.3
    EK 44.5


    Also enjoy how you conveniently ignore your own bull **** argument about SH TOI.

    Don't call me a liar, bro. I haven't done such in this thread.
     
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  16. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    Where did you find this info at?
     
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  17. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    Easier/more effective minutes aren't relegated to pure OZS. Holy ****. Penalty kill mins and Corsi/Fenwick are other measures. Drew's career numbers win there, too. I can't believe I'm having this argument. You sure you're not an OTT fan?
     
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  18. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    Where did I lie? Call me a liar, show me where I lied?
     
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  19. Trouty

    Trouty Hear the train a’coming, rollin ‘round the bend.

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    Drew mother ******* Doughty!

    Best D in the league, and to use the parlance of a certain website, AINEC
     
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  20. Biggems

    Biggems White and Nerdy

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    Hopefully the Crapitals poop the bed this year. Time for the Pens to take back their Cup.

    GO PENS
     
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