3 Challenge Flags & Other Rules *MERGE*

[VietCowboy]

Wade still should have challenged the play. Challenge Romo's fumble, challenge the eventual spot of the ball, challenge 12 men on the field, anything, and tell them to view the whole play (might be better to challenge that the GB guy was down by contact sooner) to make them look at that part of the play. Just make up something, but make them review it.

Yeah, if we knew that challenging with no challenge left is not a penalty, Wade should challenge as much as often to give our D some serious breaks and rest.

 

[Derinyar]

Yeah, if we knew that challenging with no challenge left is not a penalty, Wade should challenge as much as often to give our D some serious breaks and rest.

The thing is I'm pretty sure that it is supposed to be a penalty, either 5 or 15 yards, I'm not sure which. I know Parcells got a penalty one year for throwing the flag at a point he couldn't throw the flag, and I want to say it was an unsportsmanlike penalty.

 

[TheCount]

Oh, while we're at it, isn't there a rule about calling a challenge you don't have? Isn't there some sort of penalty?

 

[TwoCentPlain]

The way it is makes sense. Do you want teams to be able to challenge who had possession at the bottom of a pile after a fumble? The problem is the refs, they should have simply gotten the call right.

And that is exactly why this play needed to be reviewed. The refs blew it. The refs have been horrible for too long. The Seattle superbowl was a hoax. Reviewing calls puts the refs on call and doesn't allow them to fix games.

Too bad the Jenkins call couldn't be reviewed. The refs screwed the Cowboys and got away with it. Sooner or later, calls like that need to be reviewed for the integrity of the game.

 

[LandryFan]

I can't wait until the head ******* of NFL officiating puts the official spin on why the play was not reviewable.This team deserved to loose the game,but they were hosed on that particular play by the officials.

Craig

Put a black and white striped shirt on this guy and you have Mike Perreira:

There were no officiating mistakes...the camera angles just made it look that way... All is perfect in NFL officiating... Our officials do not make mistakes...

 

[Kevinicus]

Yeah, if we knew that challenging with no challenge left is not a penalty, Wade should challenge as much as often to give our D some serious breaks and rest.

Dallas had a challenge and I wasn't worried about giving the D rest. But once a play is challenged, for whatever reason, they can look at the entire play, not just what is challenged, so if Wade had challenged something on the play that could be challenged, even if obviously called correctly, they can still look at parts of the play that aren't able to be challenged and change those as well.

 

[LandryFan]

The way it is makes sense. Do you want teams to be able to challenge who had possession at the bottom of a pile after a fumble? The problem is the refs, they should have simply gotten the call right.

Yes. If a coach wants to waste a time out and one of his challenges on such a stupid challenge, then let them. The thing is, coaches wouldn't challenge possession under mass of bodies, but if they did, then they would lose.

 

[Hoofbite]

The system is fine, it's the people who have to use it.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Put a black and white striped shirt on this guy and you have Mike Perreira:

There were no officiating mistakes...the camera angles just made it look that way... All is perfect in NFL officiating... Our officials do not make mistakes...

Mike probably had money on Green Bay.

 

[kTXe]

The system is fine, it's the people who have to use it.

When they come back and say that a play like the Felix recovery is not reviewable, the system absolutely is not fine.

I am in favor of replay because the most important thing is getting the call right on the field. However, when the system that is designed to get the play right won't even let the refs look at it, the system is BROKEN.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

There should have been a delay of game penalty, if not down right unsportsmanlike when McCarthy called for the review when he had none left.

Come to think of it, aren't they supposed to take his flag away?

I think that's why there was no penalty--the refs were supposed to take his flag.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

When they come back and say that a play like the Felix recovery is not reviewable, the system absolutely is not fine.

I am in favor of replay because the most important thing is getting the call right on the field. However, when the system that is designed to get the play right won't even let the refs look at it, the system is BROKEN.

No, it's not broken. It's just not good enough yet. Notice that the problem, as it often is with replay, is NOT that there's too much of it but rather not enough. We got screwed on that play and next year it will likely be reviewable.

I'm just glad that it almost certainly didn't make the difference in the game. That would have really irritated me.

 

[links18]

I think that's why there was no penalty--the refs were supposed to take his flag.

Good point. Can the refs get fined or something?

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Yes. If a coach wants to waste a time out and one of his challenges on such a stupid challenge, then let them. The thing is, coaches wouldn't challenge possession under mass of bodies, but if they did, then they would lose.

Exactly. It's my opinion just about everything should be reviewable. If there's not enough evidence, so be it.

 

[links18]

No, it's not broken. It's just not good enough yet. Notice that the problem, as it often is with replay, is NOT that there's too much of it but rather not enough. We got screwed on that play and next year it will likely be reviewable.

I'm just glad that it almost certainly didn't make the difference in the game. That would have really irritated me.

I don't know. Still down only 10-0 at that point and we drove into their red zone twice to end the game. 10-0 instead of 17-0 and maybe we play it differently down there on the goal line, like actually run the ball or something.

 

[links18]

Ok, I have watched the replay of when McBriar punches the ball out of the punt returner's hand 20 times in the second half. The returners's left knee is down but the first thing that McBriar hits is the ball. The instant he hits the ball it is out. He never touches the returner and we recover the ball. The ruling on the field is our ball. Question, is the ball part of the runner? If he loses possession on the instant the ball is touched, does he have possession while he is down? This is a chicken and egg argument. If at the exact moment the tackler touches the ball, you no longer have possession, how are you down? Is there irrefutable evidence that the returner was down?

Lastly, Felix Jones is clearly in possession of the ball on Romo's fumble, how is that a "not a reviewable call?"

Tex Schramm is now rolling over in his grave.

Okay, not lastly, on Roy Williams fumble, Wade should have called for a review because Miles clearly had two hands on the ball and was down by contact, GB player was touching the ball. Tie goes to the offense player.

Nevertheless, we played horrible tonite and GB deserved to win. BUT, we have won lots of games we didn't deserve, I would have just like to have the chance.

Can't challenge the recovery of a fumble (as we learned later in the game), so Wade could not have challenged the Roy Williams fumble.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

Good point. Can the refs get fined or something?

I'm not sure but I don't think so. I think they get admonished and can get demoted and the like, though.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I don't know. Still down only 10-0 at that point and we drove into their red zone twice to end the game. 10-0 instead of 17-0 and maybe we play it differently down there on the goal line, like actually run the ball or something.

It's possible; I just don't think it was very likely. At that point in the game we really hadn't done much all day. Based on how we had played up until that point, it just wasn't that likely to me.

 

[hutch1254]

Officiating has been pretty horrible as a whole across the league this year in my opinion. I'm not talking about Dallas games I'm talking league wide. It's been pretty inconsistent. Even the best prepared teams are getting hit with some dumb stuff.

I would like to see more athletic officials out there, not necessarily younger officials. Ones who can stay with the pace of the game. I don't think consistency in game calling will ever come until the jobs of refs are made full time in some sort of way...not the part time weekend hobby that it appears to be now.

 

[cml750]

Possibly Wade could have challenged that Felix was down by contact after he had possession of the ball and was touched while on the ground.

I personally think anything should be reviewable and as long as coach is winning challenges then he shouldn't be held to just two of them. A coach should be held to two unsuccessful challenges. A team should not be punished for bad officiating!!