3 of 4 QBs left still on Rookie deal

[CowboyFrog]

Even a year ago I would have agreed that Dak is top 10....That has become very much up in the air though. I'm not sure it has as much to do with Dak as more to do with how many good quarterbacks we have seen enter the league the past few years.

With guys emerging this year like Lawrence, Fields, Tua, Herbert, maybe even Purdy (though I think a larger sample size is needed) is Dak still top 10? Have any of the vet QBs who had great seasons out of nowhere like Geno Smith or Goff done enough to jump Dak in those rankings? To clarify I dont think all of these guys are better than Dak, but I think for all an argument can be made.

Not that i'm completely opposing your stance in this thread, but it oddly feels like there are more "good" quarterbacks in the league at one time than I can remember which does leave me more open to the side of being more open to gambling for the next Mahomes more frequently.

No doubt and for sure Drafting a QB is not the same with these new guys comming out of college, BUT i hold to what i am saying. If you can move on from Dak then sink money into the OL and DL and beef up your WR core and CB core and keep rolling rookies at RB, that is a good plan but I dont think our FO has ever showed that kind of thinking. Your cheap on QB and RB and should be a top 3 OL and DL and top 10 in most other spots..that could work.

 

[IslandCowboy]

Good thing Dak's not making "elite money" then!

QBs cost what they cost.

If your plan is "draft the next Mahomes, and if you don't, keep tanking and trying every few years," that's how you become a 5-win laughingstock every year.

What about the next Brock Purdy? Or any of the 10-15+ QBs in the league that are better than Dak? We don't need Mahomes he doesn't win the SB every year. But we need someone better than Dak.

 

[StarOfGlory]

People don’t understand how good Dak has it and they look at a QB like Kyler who is asked to do everything.

Kyler on our team would be better than Dak because he can make plays outside the system.

Kyler Murray has so many brain farts you'd think he eats a can of baked beans before every game. No thanks.

 

[CATCH17]

Even a year ago I would have agreed that Dak is top 10....That has become very much up in the air though. I'm not sure it has as much to do with Dak as more to do with how many good quarterbacks we have seen enter the league the past few years.

With guys emerging this year like Lawrence, Fields, Tua, Herbert, maybe even Purdy (though I think a larger sample size is needed) is Dak still top 10? Have any of the vet QBs who had great seasons out of nowhere like Geno Smith or Goff done enough to jump Dak in those rankings? To clarify I dont think all of these guys are better than Dak, but I think for all an argument can be made.

Not that i'm completely opposing your stance in this thread, but it oddly feels like there are more "good" quarterbacks in the league at one time than I can remember which does leave me more open to the side of being more open to gambling for the next Mahomes more frequently.

Let’s pretend there are 5 elite QBs in football and Dak is the 6th best QB in football.

Well clearly the 6th best QB in football isn’t capable of carrying his team so why pay the absurd price to run the same system a guy like Cooper Rush can win in?

If your QB isn’t elite then you have to focus on the supporting cast if you want to win a championship.

If you want to be mediocre and relevant then sure.. Go pay your Kirk Cousins and Dak Prescotts.

 

[Blitzen]

Sounds like you should quit your day job, become an NFL GM and revolutionize the sport then!

You've got it all figured out!

"You can get by with..."

LOL, "get by" to where?

How often does a Cooper Rush or Geno Smith get to a conference championship game?

Brock Purdy's been terrific, but he inherited the best supporting cast in football.

You just conceded the point. Brock Purdy surpassed Dak’s postseason success with SF barely but still. If getting to the divisional round is as far as a top 10 QB can take a team, I’m not sure anyone should ever pay that 10 QB anything.

Kirk Cousins has actually made it to a conference championship game and Case Keenum before that with roughly the same Minnesota squad. Daniel Jones made it to the divisional round. It does not take an Einstein to see that the QB is not the big driving force. They are passengers on a great team. Some can get all the way to a Super Bowl as long as they just don’t screw it up. Trent Dilfer was never a “franchise” QB.

I’m obviously not revolutionizing anything. Brock Purdy is living breathing proof. Thanks for playing.

 

[CATCH17]

Kyler Murray has so many brain farts you'd think he eats a can of baked beans before every game. No thanks.

I get it but put Dak in AZ and Kyler in Dallas.

Kyler single handedly beat us just a year ago.

 

[DasTex]

Absolutely
With QB salaries getting so high - there are two ways to win

Elite QB getting paid top money
Rookie QB deals - surrounded by top players (also you get the rare rookie QB who is also a top QB)

Last 10 Super Bowl winners:

Flacco - rookie deal, amazing defense
Wilson - rookie deal, amazing defense
Brady - elite QB
Manning - elite QB
Brady - elite QB
Foles - Wentz was on rookie deal still
Brady - elite QB
Mahomes - elite QB - still on rookie deal
Brady - elite QB who took less money to add talent
Stafford - outlier - but had elite players on both sides of ball - bought Championship w/ picks and money

 

[Jayinem]

Aaaaand you just lost all credibility.

That quickly.

Hey I didn't see you here last night. Did you catch the game?

 

[Trajan]

The philosophy of not paying beyond the rookie contract seems to make sense.

1. On the first contract, much more money is available to improve the roster around the young QB.

2. The QB is hungry on the 1st contract, after the giant payday, who is still hungry ? Sure, a guy like Brady is, but others may not be.

3. You should prob know what you have by year 4. We pretty much knew Dak wasn’t a top 5 before his contract and the flaws in his game were obvious.

I like Dak, but was one very worried about the contract, got it, as a QB he just gets paid more.
How about breaking that philosophy, as it doesn’t appear to help the team. We should have traded Dak, for a young QB, and added talent elsewhere. Is it a perfect plan? No way, but the standard of paying a second contract seems wrong, unless the QB is Mahomes.

 

[Jayinem]

Sounds like you should quit your day job, become an NFL GM and revolutionize the sport then!

You've got it all figured out!

"You can get by with..."

LOL, "get by" to where?

How often does a Cooper Rush or Geno Smith get to a conference championship game?

Brock Purdy's been terrific, but he inherited the best supporting cast in football.

How often does a Dak Prescott get to a Conference Championship game? Try never. Just because you can throw for a good amount of yards does not make you elite by any stretch.

Dak is usually awful against good defenses last night no exception. Completely overrated QB, we should have let him walk.

 

[Nav22]

You just conceded the point. Brock Purdy surpassed Dak’s postseason success with SF barely but still. If getting to the divisional round is as far as a top 10 QB can take a team, I’m not sure anyone should ever pay that 10 QB anything.

Kirk Cousins has actually made it to a conference championship game and Case Keenum before that with roughly the same Minnesota squad. Daniel Jones made it to the divisional round. It does not take an Einstein to see that the QB is not the big driving force. They are passengers on a great team. Some can get all the way to a Super Bowl as long as they just don’t screw it up. Trent Dilfer was never a “franchise” QB.

I’m obviously not revolutionizing anything. Brock Purdy is living breathing proof. Thanks for playing.

Any idiot knows that football's a team sport and that an elite supporting cast can carry a limited QB.

Trent Dilfer had arguably the best defense in NFL history.

Should we throw away a top-10 QB because we might build an all-time great defense with the cap savings?

A defense that will still be talked about 20+ years from now?

That's more likely than adding a few more pieces to what we already have and getting over the hump?

Oh, and Kirk Cousins was never in an NFC Championship game. You're drunk.

 

[CATCH17]

No doubt and for sure Drafting a QB is not the same with these new guys comming out of college, BUT i hold to what i am saying. If you can move on from Dak then sink money into the OL and DL and beef up your WR core and CB core and keep rolling rookies at RB, that is a good plan but I dont think our FO has ever showed that kind of thinking. Your cheap on QB and RB and should be a top 3 OL and DL and top 10 in most other spots..that could work.

It’s not that it could work. It does work.

If you don’t have an elite QB, which we don’t, then focus on the things you stated.

Hurts and Purdy are nothing special. Especially Hurts.. That guy is mediocre as it gets but looks great because of the system.

 

[CATCH17]

Any idiot knows that football's a team sport and that an elite supporting cast can carry a limited QB.

Trent Dilfer had arguably the best defense in NFL history.

Should we throw away a top-10 QB because we might build an all-time great defense with the cap savings?

A defense that will still be talked about 20+ years from now?

Yes, you should never pay QBs like Dak because you can’t get the supporting cast you need unless you have some crazy young roster like Detroit and your QB is the only one getting paid.

The goal is to win championships. Not remain relevant.

 

[Nav22]

What about the next Brock Purdy? Or any of the 10-15+ QBs in the league that are better than Dak? We don't need Mahomes he doesn't win the SB every year. But we need someone better than Dak.

10-15+ eh?

NFL players, coaches, scouts and execs will rank the QBs again this offseason.

You might be surprised to learn how little you know about the QB position, if you think there's THAT many QBs better than Dak.

"The next Brock Purdy"? Purdy was a revelation for SF this year. He's been outstanding.

If you can use that crystal ball of yours to find us the next late-round Tom Brady or Brock Purdy, I'd gladly send Dak packing.

 

[Nav22]

Yes, you should never pay QBs like Dak because you can’t get the supporting cast you need unless you have some crazy young roster like Detroit and your QB is the only one getting paid.

The goal is to win championships. Not remain relevant.

So you still won't answer my question on Herbert?

Smart man.

When your argument eats complete ****, just move on like nothing happened.

 

[CATCH17]

You just conceded the point. Brock Purdy surpassed Dak’s postseason success with SF barely but still. If getting to the divisional round is as far as a top 10 QB can take a team, I’m not sure anyone should ever pay that 10 QB anything.

Kirk Cousins has actually made it to a conference championship game and Case Keenum before that with roughly the same Minnesota squad. Daniel Jones made it to the divisional round. It does not take an Einstein to see that the QB is not the big driving force. They are passengers on a great team. Some can get all the way to a Super Bowl as long as they just don’t screw it up. Trent Dilfer was never a “franchise” QB.

I’m obviously not revolutionizing anything. Brock Purdy is living breathing proof. Thanks for playing.

I love how their brains can’t comprehend not paying a QB like Dak even though we constantly get proven right lol.

 

[CATCH17]

So you still won't answer my question on Herbert?

Smart man.

When your argument eats complete ****, just move on like nothing happened.

What about Herbert? He’s awesome and yes I’d pay him because he’s the total package as a QB.

An elite talent / player.

 

[IslandCowboy]

10-15+ eh?

NFL players, coaches, scouts and execs will rank the QBs again this offseason.

You might be surprised to learn how little you know about the QB position, if you think there's THAT many QBs better than Dak.

"The next Brock Purdy"? Purdy was a revelation for SF this year. He's been outstanding.

If you can use that crystal ball of yours to find us the next late-round Tom Brady or Brock Purdy, I'd gladly send Dak packing.

Nobody has Dak in their top 10. My point is that it is possible to find another QB and even if he ends up worse than Dak who cares because Dak ain't taking us anywhere bud.

 

[Blitzen]

Any idiot knows that football's a team sport and that an elite supporting cast can carry a limited QB.

Trent Dilfer had arguably the best defense in NFL history.

Should we throw away a top-10 QB because we might build an all-time great defense with the cap savings?

A defense that will still be talked about 20+ years from now?

That's more likely than adding a few more pieces to what we already have and getting over the hump?

Oh, and Kirk Cousins was never in an NFC Championship game. You're drunk.

Oh yeah that was the divisional round for Cousins. The point is still valid. Brock isn’t playing with the 2000 Ravens defense. It is not about him.

It’s just about not messing it up. The team obviously does not need Dak to make it this far. Nick Foles won the Super Bowl just a few years back (and their defense and offense were not all world). You are just dodging now.

 

[The Fonz]

Let's make Moore the QB