3 rookie QBs played today, and they all struggled

[Nav22]

The argument wasn't finding a franchise QB, it was what does it take to make the playoffs. What kind of QB does it take to go 9-8 or 10-7 and get the 6th or 7th seed. You don't need to pay a QB 60M a year to do that. If you're paying a QB a ridiculous amount of money, you want more than that, right? Not get to the playoffs and embarrass yourself, the team, and everyone watching. Which is what happened in the last 3 years. Last year being the main event. We can go 9-8 with Cooper Rush and get embarrassed in the playoffs.

LOL!

So your goal is to be as cheap as possible while being worse in the regular season?

Why are you so against paying for a good QB? It's not your money.

 

[Nav22]

I'm baaaaack! Apologies.


Doubling down on a hypothetical that never happened.


Some of us create threads containing more holes than Swiss cheese. Certainly, some of your fellow members want Jerry Jones to draft a first-round quarterback. That first-round selection could struggle in the debut games, just as the first-round draftees you and I both posted.

They are wrong believing it is a certainty that a first-round pick is a sure thing. You are correct in pointing that out.

However, Jones removes the possibility of a first-round draft pick will eventually succeed by not selecting one. Again, interjecting Paxton Lynch into the conversation is illogical since Jones did not pick him in order for Lynch to crash-and-burn as one of his selections.

Members, supporting Jones actually picking a first-round quarterback, sabotage their argument by stating the pick would be a guaranteed success. Instead, they should simply present their argument that a first-round pick may be 'successful' in time--like the rookie examples I posted. Risk should never be used towards obtaining potential reward. And all professional sports team drafts are, unquestionably, the personification of risk.

Unfortunately, they must contend with your shortsighted argument using rookie quarterbacks, struggling in their very first professional games, 'countering' their guaranteed success rationalization. Both stances are founded upon thin ice. The back-and-forth repeats continually atop quicksand. There are no 'winners'. Just more mud thrown at the opposing stance.

Hey, if we could draft a Jordan Love to sit and watch for a few years and then step in and be our next franchise QB, I'd sign up for that today!

I'm not married to Dak, despite what others label me as. The second he's no longer our QB, I'll move on and support the next guy.

It has never once made ANY sense to get rid of Dak BEFORE finding his successor.

Green Bay found Rodgers while they still had Favre and Love while they still had Rodgers.

KC found Mahomes while they still had Alex Smith.

The Anti-Dakkers are so blinded by their hate that they just want Dak gone ASAP no matter what. Even if it means QB purgatory. That's incredibly stupid and not at all justifiable.

 

[Eddie]

It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult and drafting a QB in the 1st Round with the hopes that he'll be an elite franchise QB isn't very likely.

For every Mahomes or Josh Allen there's a dozen flameouts or more. Playing QB Lottery in the draft every few years and hoping to strike oil isn't much of a strategy.

I won't embarrass the dude who said it's "easier than ever" to find a QB nowadays, but hopefully he sees this and learns something.

Yesterday was the first pro game for all three. How did Aikman look on his first day???

 

[OGSixshooter]

You'd know all about being pathetically embarrassing, Blanks Shooter.

This is interesting. Because I get banned from threads for normal conversation and saying someone is "delusional" and here we have outright insults. I'm all for it...but I wonder if it's ME that's the problem, not the insults...because you seem to be doing just fine.

Anyway, there's no academic circle where your original post would be respected. And that matters because you were making - or attempting to make - an academic argument. FAIL.

 

[Eddie]

Hey, if we could draft a Jordan Love to sit and watch for a few years and then step in and be our next franchise QB, I'd sign up for that today!

That's what Jerry was trying to do with Lance ... but on the cheap.

 

[Nav22]

One-game sample size king.

If you know how to use data to craft models...and thus make predictions...you would retreat from embarrassment.

It IS ACTUALLY more easier than BEFORE to find a QB. Note, it can still not be easy and be EASIER THAN EVER.

SMH...nevermind...

Okay, let's see your data proving that it's easier than ever/before!

Go right ahead!

 

[Nav22]

It's a little premature to make this post...after 1 game into their career.

Bookmark this thread and re-read it when at least one of them is clearly a colossal bust.

 

[Nav22]

I sense an agenda here to protect Dak from being replaced
daniels played very well for a rookie with a team that is not good
BUT your agenda demands you say he stank

You're handicapping him.

Which totally proves my point.

You wouldn't have felt the need to do that if Daniels had actually played well by NFL QB standards.

 

[Nav22]

Yesterday was the first pro game for all three. How did Aikman look on his first day???

Like trash. Same with CJ Stroud in his first game.

Norv Turner saved Troy's career.

1st round picks are a crapshoot.

 

[Nav22]

That's what Jerry was trying to do with Lance ... but on the cheap.

I loved the trade for Lance. Low risk/high reward. Just didn't work out.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Okay, let's see your data proving that it's easier than ever/before!

Go right ahead!

That's not how the process of argumentation works. YOU made the claim that it was NOT easy, presented ONE GAME as the evidence and then declared victory. The burden of proof is on you...and you did not satisfactorily hit the ball over the net to demand a reply.

Ok, let's play your goofy game. Because Tua, Mahomes, Murray, etc...won yesterday, that means you need a first round pick to lead your team. Did I stick the landing?

So again...swwwwwing and a miss. If you know how to argue, the value of data and the thresholds you need to cross before declaring victory, you wouldn't have wasted the time making that point with that data.

 

[OGSixshooter]

The Chiefs had a good QB in Alex Smith.

They drafted Mahomes, saw what they had in him AND THEN they got rid of Smith.

See how that works?

There's literally no good reason to get rid of a damn good QB like Dak without a viable alternative available.

Nobody chooses QB purgatory.

If Trey Lance had lit it up all preseason, the Dak negotiations might've been very different. Maybe we'd have looked to trade Dak and roll with the younger and cheaper Lance.

But he didn't. Instead, Lance was another harsh reminder of how hard it is to find a QB as good as Dak.

But doesn't this also make the argument that it's easier than ever to find a GOOD QB? Mahomes is a GREAT QB. Dak...he's cool and all...but he's NOT GREAT....just like Alex Smith. Easier than ever.

 

[Nav22]

That's not how the process of argumentation works. YOU made the claim that it was NOT easy, presented ONE GAME as the evidence and then declared victory. The burden of proof is on you...and you did not satisfactorily hit the ball over the net to demand a reply.

Ok, let's play your goofy game. Because Tua, Mahomes, Murray, etc...won yesterday, that means you need a first round pick to lead your team. Did I stick the landing?

So again...swwwwwing and a miss. If you know how to argue, the value of data and the thresholds you need to cross before declaring victory, you wouldn't have wasted the time making that point with that data.

Nah. You made a counter-claim that you also can't prove.

 

[DallasInDC]

Bookmark this thread and re-read it when at least one of them is clearly a colossal bust.

I don't doubt that at least one will be a bust (preferably Daniels) but to claim it based on their first career game as an example is too early.

 

[Nav22]

But doesn't this also make the argument that it's easier than ever to find a GOOD QB? Mahomes is a GREAT QB. Dak...he's cool and all...but he's NOT GREAT....just like Alex Smith. Easier than ever.

Not at all.

How many NFL QBs are as good as Dak?

Why were there teams hoping we wouldn't pay Dak so they could pay him in 2025?

 

[Nav22]

I don't doubt that at least one will be a bust (preferably Daniels) but to claim it based on their first career game as an example is too early.

I never said they'd all be busts, but I'll take full credit for Daniels busting if it happens.

You're welcome.

 

[zrinkill]

You can pretend I "made excuses" for the Green Bay loss if you'd like.

Why would I do that? Or even care? You started a thread comparing rookies to a 240 million dollar QB ......... kind shows how much confidence you have in him not repeating the same thing he has done his entire career.

 

[nate dizzle]

Rookie qbs struggled in first game? Hard hitting stuff right there

 

[OGSixshooter]

Not at all.

How many NFL QBs are as good as Dak?

Why were there teams hoping we wouldn't pay Dak so they could pay him in 2025?

According to most NFL execs who saw Dak at his best...he's MEH. In his "near MVP year" they voted him 10th. TENTH. And then you need to consider that at least 5-10 jobs are pre-allocated for new QBs, developing QBs...etc...a team that is already vested in a guy. So Dak is MEH...easier than ever to find a Kirk Cousins. Joe Flacco came in and won games last year for Cleveland...and I'm taking Joe Flacco over Dak in a one-game elimination 10000%. Easier. Than. Ever.

 

[DallasEast]

The Anti-Dakkers are so blinded by their hate that they just want Dak gone ASAP no matter what. Even if it means QB purgatory. That's incredibly stupid and not at all justifiable.

Self-perception of hate aside, I think a stronger counterargument could be made than using rookie quarterbacks' first-game performances in debating their expectation--no matter how farfetched the expectation may actually be. I do not have the data but I would guess the overwhelming number of rookie quarterbacks struggle initially in their professional careers--regardless of how good or bad their overall teams may be. Thus, using current rookies does not logically offset others' desire for Jerry Jones to take the risk of drafting a first-round quarterback.