3 rookie QBs played today, and they all struggled

[aikemirv]

#1 overall pick Caleb Williams...
14-29, 93 Yds, 56 Passer Rating, 22 QBR

#2 overall pick Jayden Daniels...
17-24, 184 Yds, 2 Rush TD (1 in garbage time), 3 fumbles (0 lost), 93 Passer Rating, 42 QBR

#12 overall pick Bo Nix...
26-42, 138 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 47 Passer Rating, 30 QBR


Just for fun, let's throw in last year's #1 overall pick too!

#1 overall pick Bryce Young...
13-30, 161 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 33 Passer Rating, 11 QBR
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Weird, huh?

It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult and drafting a QB in the 1st Round with the hopes that he'll be an elite franchise QB isn't very likely.

For every Mahomes or Josh Allen there's a dozen flameouts or more. Playing QB Lottery in the draft every few years and hoping to strike oil isn't much of a strategy.

I won't embarrass the dude who said it's "easier than ever" to find a QB nowadays, but hopefully he sees this and learns something.

All rookies or 2nd year thrown on terrible teams. B Young just too short though. He will never make it!

 

[MikeT22]

I'm on this thread reading about rookie quarterbacks and wonder why it's posted here. Don't we have an NFL forum where this thread belongs?

Some are desperate to try and justify Daks record new contract.

 

[reddyuta]

Bo Nix looked exactly how i thought he would look ,i followed his long college journey and he is not a 1st RD QB.Daniels is going to be good but he needs work and i am not sure about their offensive scheme.Caleb is inaccurate,he a more simpler offense because the Bears D and ST are good enough to win them games this season.

 

[BoysForLife]

Jayden's early struggles were a BIG reason the game got out of hand and his team got curb-stomped.

Says the same guy who was singing a very different tune after Prescott's early struggles in the Green Bay playoff game was a huge reason why the game got out of hand and we got curb stomped.

What, no complaining about the Washington defense giving up on the first drive? No belly aching about poor coaching and poor game plans for Jayden Daniels?

But, please, carry on with your hypocrisy. No Emojis needed on my end

 

[Flamma]

#1 overall pick Caleb Williams...
14-29, 93 Yds, 56 Passer Rating, 22 QBR

#2 overall pick Jayden Daniels...
17-24, 184 Yds, 2 Rush TD (1 in garbage time), 3 fumbles (0 lost), 93 Passer Rating, 42 QBR

#12 overall pick Bo Nix...
26-42, 138 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 47 Passer Rating, 30 QBR


Just for fun, let's throw in last year's #1 overall pick too!

#1 overall pick Bryce Young...
13-30, 161 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 33 Passer Rating, 11 QBR
--------------------

Weird, huh?

It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult and drafting a QB in the 1st Round with the hopes that he'll be an elite franchise QB isn't very likely.

For every Mahomes or Josh Allen there's a dozen flameouts or more. Playing QB Lottery in the draft every few years and hoping to strike oil isn't much of a strategy.

I won't embarrass the dude who said it's "easier than ever" to find a QB nowadays, but hopefully he sees this and learns something.

The argument wasn't finding a franchise QB, it was what does it take to make the playoffs. What kind of QB does it take to go 9-8 or 10-7 and get the 6th or 7th seed. You don't need to pay a QB 60M a year to do that. If you're paying a QB a ridiculous amount of money, you want more than that, right? Not get to the playoffs and embarrass yourself, the team, and everyone watching. Which is what happened in the last 3 years. Last year being the main event. We can go 9-8 with Cooper Rush and get embarrassed in the playoffs.

 

[DallasEast]

Good, be gone.

I'm baaaaack! Apologies.

Jerry drafting Paxton Lynch would've been worse than Jerry almost drafting Paxton Lynch.

Doubling down on a hypothetical that never happened.

Funny how you need to see the failure in front of your face in order to learn from it. Not everyone's like you. Some of us can learn through the experiences of others as well.

Some of us create threads containing more holes than Swiss cheese. Certainly, some of your fellow members want Jerry Jones to draft a first-round quarterback. That first-round selection could struggle in the debut games, just as the first-round draftees you and I both posted.

They are wrong believing it is a certainty that a first-round pick is a sure thing. You are correct in pointing that out.

However, Jones removes the possibility of a first-round draft pick will eventually succeed by not selecting one. Again, interjecting Paxton Lynch into the conversation is illogical since Jones did not pick him in order for Lynch to crash-and-burn as one of his selections.

Members, supporting Jones actually picking a first-round quarterback, sabotage their argument by stating the pick would be a guaranteed success. Instead, they should simply present their argument that a first-round pick may be 'successful' in time--like the rookie examples I posted. Risk should never be avoided while seeking potential reward. And all professional sports team drafts are, unquestionably, the personification of risk.

Unfortunately, they must contend with your shortsighted argument using rookie quarterbacks, struggling in their very first professional games, 'countering' their guaranteed success rationalization. Both stances are founded upon thin ice. The back-and-forth repeats continually atop quicksand. There are no 'winners'. Just more mud thrown at the opposing stance.

Edited: Clarification of risk

 

[thunderpimp91]

The argument wasn't finding a franchise QB, it was what does it take to make the playoffs. What kind of QB does it take to go 9-8 or 10-7 and get the 6th or 7th seed. You don't need to pay a QB 60M a year to do that. If you're paying a QB a ridiculous amount of money, you want more than that, right? Not get to the playoffs and embarrass yourself, the team, and everyone watching. Which is what happened in the last 3 years. Last year being the main event. We can go 9-8 with Cooper Rush and get embarrassed in the playoffs.

Yeah this is (or was, its pretty irrelevant now) the argument against paying Dak. Anyone who is on here saying the extreme arguments that Dak isnt a good QB and shouldnt be retained under any circumstances really shouldn't be given much attention. A team as talented as the Cowboys should be in contention for the post season with at least a decent QB. This team could have went out the last couple of years and gotten a Darnold/Minshew/Mayfield and still been playing in the post season.

 

[Flamma]

Yeah this is (or was, its pretty irrelevant now) the argument against paying Dak. Anyone who is on here saying the extreme arguments that Dak isnt a good QB and shouldnt be retained under any circumstances really shouldn't be given much attention. A team as talented as the Cowboys should be in contention for the post season with at least a decent QB. This team could have went out the last couple of years and gotten a Darnold/Minshew/Mayfield and still been playing in the post season.

Agree completely. But paying Dak what they paid Dak is with the hopes to do better, right? It's not with the intent to be 9-8 with Cooper Rush. It's to do better. Let's see.

 

[OGSixshooter]

#1 overall pick Caleb Williams...
14-29, 93 Yds, 56 Passer Rating, 22 QBR

#2 overall pick Jayden Daniels...
17-24, 184 Yds, 2 Rush TD (1 in garbage time), 3 fumbles (0 lost), 93 Passer Rating, 42 QBR

#12 overall pick Bo Nix...
26-42, 138 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 47 Passer Rating, 30 QBR


Just for fun, let's throw in last year's #1 overall pick too!

#1 overall pick Bryce Young...
13-30, 161 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 33 Passer Rating, 11 QBR
--------------------

Weird, huh?

It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult and drafting a QB in the 1st Round with the hopes that he'll be an elite franchise QB isn't very likely.

For every Mahomes or Josh Allen there's a dozen flameouts or more. Playing QB Lottery in the draft every few years and hoping to strike oil isn't much of a strategy.

I won't embarrass the dude who said it's "easier than ever" to find a QB nowadays, but hopefully he sees this and learns something.

One-game sample size king.

If you know how to use data to craft models...and thus make predictions...you would retreat from embarrassment.

It IS ACTUALLY more easier than BEFORE to find a QB. Note, it can still not be easy and be EASIER THAN EVER.

SMH...nevermind...

 

[OGSixshooter]

Most times the #1 overall pick or top 3 picks are going to *drumroll* BAD TEAMS. So most likely they are not surrounded by a good org or a good team. This is why a one-game sample is just...

pathetically embarrassing to post.

 

[thunderpimp91]

Agree completely. But paying Dak what they paid Dak is with the hopes to do better, right? It's not with the intent to be 9-8 with Cooper Rush. It's to do better. Let's see.

For sure. I can't imagine the next three years having 1 playoff victory and calling this deal a success. That doesnt fall all on Dak, its the job of the front office to supplement the roster with cheaper talent, but there is an obvious sacrifice when your QB eats that much of the cap.

 

[Nav22]

Yea ....... you said that already ....... right out of the Rockport handbook.

I love the Cowboys win ....... but its no different than the other years ....... we demolish bad teams and celebrate.

Then the playoffs hit

Then we make excuses.

I will bookmark this thread ....... you will see it again in January.

You do that.

Whatever makes you feel like a winner. You can pretend I "made excuses" for the Green Bay loss if you'd like.

 

[Nav22]

Most times the #1 overall pick or top 3 picks are going to *drumroll* BAD TEAMS. So most likely they are not surrounded by a good org or a good team. This is why a one-game sample is just...

pathetically embarrassing to post.

You'd know all about being pathetically embarrassing, Blanks Shooter.

 

[Nav22]

First, historically, rookie QBs didnt start on day one if at all their first year. Teams didnt want ti immediately throw them to the wolves and potentially damage or ruin them. Now it happens regularly but shouldnt be a surprise when they aren’t lighting it up on opening day.

Your second point, this is how Jerry orchestrates it. Never has a viable option developing and then can say we cant just get rid of the starter with no one ready to step in.
Hence we get a 9 yr vet with 2 playoff wins receiving the highest contract for a QB in league history. But relevancy, not a SB, is his goal so he succeeds.

Nobody said we can't still try to find the next franchise QB even though we still have Dak.

We traded for Trey Lance for a reason.

Until we have our next franchise QB, Dak's our guy.

 

[DallasInDC]

#1 overall pick Caleb Williams...
14-29, 93 Yds, 56 Passer Rating, 22 QBR

#2 overall pick Jayden Daniels...
17-24, 184 Yds, 2 Rush TD (1 in garbage time), 3 fumbles (0 lost), 93 Passer Rating, 42 QBR

#12 overall pick Bo Nix...
26-42, 138 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 47 Passer Rating, 30 QBR


Just for fun, let's throw in last year's #1 overall pick too!

#1 overall pick Bryce Young...
13-30, 161 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 33 Passer Rating, 11 QBR
--------------------

Weird, huh?

It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult and drafting a QB in the 1st Round with the hopes that he'll be an elite franchise QB isn't very likely.

For every Mahomes or Josh Allen there's a dozen flameouts or more. Playing QB Lottery in the draft every few years and hoping to strike oil isn't much of a strategy.

I won't embarrass the dude who said it's "easier than ever" to find a QB nowadays, but hopefully he sees this and learns something.

It's a little premature to make this post...after 1 game into their career.

 

[gtb1943]

If Dak had that exact same game, needing a late garbage-time TD to reach 20 points in a 37-20 drubbing, nobody on earth would say he was "pretty good."

Don't handicap Daniels like that. He was a #2 overall pick and was drafted to be their franchise savior.

Yes, he struggled.

I sense an agenda here to protect Dak from being replaced
daniels played very well for a rookie with a team that is not good
BUT your agenda demands you say he stank

 

[rambo2]

#1 overall pick Caleb Williams...
14-29, 93 Yds, 56 Passer Rating, 22 QBR

#2 overall pick Jayden Daniels...
17-24, 184 Yds, 2 Rush TD (1 in garbage time), 3 fumbles (0 lost), 93 Passer Rating, 42 QBR

#12 overall pick Bo Nix...
26-42, 138 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 47 Passer Rating, 30 QBR


Just for fun, let's throw in last year's #1 overall pick too!

#1 overall pick Bryce Young...
13-30, 161 Yds, 2 Int, Rush TD, 33 Passer Rating, 11 QBR
--------------------

Weird, huh?

It's almost like playing QB in the NFL is extremely difficult and drafting a QB in the 1st Round with the hopes that he'll be an elite franchise QB isn't very likely.

For every Mahomes or Josh Allen there's a dozen flameouts or more. Playing QB Lottery in the draft every few years and hoping to strike oil isn't much of a strategy.

I won't embarrass the dude who said it's "easier than ever" to find a QB nowadays, but hopefully he sees this and learns something.

What's really weird are the guys that want to get rid of Dak when this is what you would get.

 

[gtb1943]

What's really weird are the guys that want to get rid of Dak when this is what you would get.

yeah having a guy who chokes in the playoffs is so much better
Jethro minions are so predictable

 

[rambo2]

I think some don't realize how hard it is to get a competent QB in the draft, especially when the team is bad.
For some recently drafted QB's, they will have gone from a top CFB team to a bad NFL team. It's going to be a huge learning curve all around. One week won't define them, but it definitely is a smack in the face saying, "welcome to the NFL".

The Burrows lighting up the league as a rookie is rare as hell to see.

Then you look at Burrow who just lost to the Patriots at home.

 

[rambo2]

yeah having a guy who chokes in the playoffs is so much better
Jethro minions are so predictable

Lol, you just never stop. You are going to say your crap all year. Hey bitter old man, the Cowboys are good.